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Sharks getting their botties smacked by Benetton

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 15:37
#1
12 Oct 2024, 15:37#1

17-3. Poor tackling. Jordan Hendrikse losing the ball in contact led to the second Ben try after their 6 made about 20 meters through 3 powderpuff Sharks tackles before offloading. Not much good happening for the Sharks right now.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 15:41
#2
12 Oct 2024, 15:41#2

And Ben scores again off a quick throw in. Too easy.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Oct 2024, 15:47
#3
12 Oct 2024, 15:47#3

Sharks seem totally disinterested. Process rugby…..just too many meaningless matches.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Oct 2024, 15:48
#4
12 Oct 2024, 15:48#4

Who are the youngsters in this team Dave is always on about?

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 15:55
#5
12 Oct 2024, 15:55#5

Dave obviously watches these guys way more than I do, but so far guys like Masuku, Hendrikse and Julius are looking positively ordinary.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:05
#6
12 Oct 2024, 16:05#6

And Hendrikse loses the ball in contact again. Keep this guy clear of the Boks please.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:05
#7
12 Oct 2024, 16:05#7

Julius….yes, that’s the chap Dave has as our future at 13 as I recall.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:06
#8
12 Oct 2024, 16:06#8

These teams both in white is ludicrous! 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:08
#9
12 Oct 2024, 16:08#9

Sharks with a 30 man maul that gets stopped and then the ball is ripped from #16 as he breaks away and charges towards the tryline.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:09
#10
12 Oct 2024, 16:09#10

These teams both in white is ludicrous!

Ja I thought so too.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:19
#11
12 Oct 2024, 16:19#11

Nice backline attack that time from the Sharks. And Julius drops the scoring pass.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:23
#12
12 Oct 2024, 16:23#12

And now Hendrikse doesn't pop the pass as his 14 runs a winning line off him straight into a gap.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:26
#13
12 Oct 2024, 16:26#13

I’m going to play golf Pakie…enjoy your weekend.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:27
#14
12 Oct 2024, 16:27#14

Cheers Moz.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:28
#15
12 Oct 2024, 16:28#15

31-3. I'm gonna kick up my braai fire too rather than watching this dumpster fire any longer.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:38
#16
12 Oct 2024, 16:38#16

This ws a total disgrace - thee defne was non-exitent and donkey brain Esterhiuzen was carried back meters in a tackle,    If I have to rate the  Sharks backline none of them will get above 3 out of ten.   Amongst the forwards Jenkins will get a 3 and the rest 4

In the casse of backline defense there was none so they all get 0/10 = a total disaster display,   I like Julius - but he lacked a flyhalf and inside center to perform.

   

   

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Oct 2024, 16:46
#17
12 Oct 2024, 16:46#17

Piss poor...not the Currie Cup...more interesting discussing Dave's girth...


Stormers ook maar K@K of late...hope they can be a bit better today.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 17:46
#18
12 Oct 2024, 17:46#18

The guys are probably playing too much rugby. And with this competition it doesn't feel like there's much at stake.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
12 Oct 2024, 18:11
#19
12 Oct 2024, 18:11#19
Nothing at stake...sounds like excuse making. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2024, 18:14
#20
12 Oct 2024, 18:14#20

Pakie = but total BS I am afraid. -  the  Sharks third game in the series  - with cvirtally none of  them in the test series =you need bckline players and none of them showomg anything even on club/fanchise level ed anything/    / .  

Great Excuse 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 18:29
#21
12 Oct 2024, 18:29#21
Er, why would I be making excuses for anything? 
Ignorant maybe yes, as I barely ever watch anything in this comp, which is probably why I don't have a feel for it.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2024, 18:44
#22
12 Oct 2024, 18:44#22

The Stormers were eqally patheitc.    The only playe who showed anyhin in lnme-outs ec was  Schickerling.   Willemse was pahtic as well   

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2024, 19:12
#23
12 Oct 2024, 19:12#23

Just for the sake of interest, there were concerns about fatigue for the Sharks even from Plumtree, as well as certain journos like Greenaway from IOL:

The Italians are under pressure and desperate to play to their potential while John Plumtree’s Sharks are close to running on empty after five demanding matches away from the green grass of home.

First, there was the 100-minute semi-final defeat of the Bulls, then a drama-laden Currie Cup final. But the reward was no open-top bus trip around KZN to display the trophy. Instead, the day after the final, the Sharks began a long journey to the west coast of Ireland where they had one good half and one bad half in losing by six points.

Next up was the Dragons and again the Sharks could only play for 40 minutes although this time they salvaged a win at the death.

The inability to play with intensity for longer than 30 minutes or so suggests that fatigue has set in and the phrase “flogging a dead horse” comes to mind.

And no, this is not a search for "excuses". I am thinking about the effect of year long non-stop rugby with constant travel on the players.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2024, 10:32
#24
13 Oct 2024, 10:32#24

So players ike Esterhuizen and Masuku were too tired to tackle players running at them?   Esterhuizen had a 4 match ban after going stupid in a mach and  he was injured with some question marks as to the injury/    He had no tough playing program  - but his normal pace-deficiency came on full display yesterday.    If the Sharks had Hooker at 12 - the defense would have been at least 70% better. 

Both Esterhuizen and  Masuku  proved yesterdaythat theyshould never  play Sprigbok rugby again.   They do not fit into any game plan - because they are basically deficient due to pace  and rugby  skills,                      .   

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Oct 2024, 10:50
#25
13 Oct 2024, 10:50#25

Mike, your anti-Esterhuizen campaign is just tiresome. There was nothing wrong with Esterhuizen's tackling and not one Benetton try came as a result of anything he did wrong. His pace is what it is - he is a carthorse just like DDA. That's a payoff you have to accept if you want a huge 12.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
13 Oct 2024, 11:04
#26
13 Oct 2024, 11:04#26

I don't get how people can say it was meaningless match or nothings at stake. Its the third round of a league game, how do you know the result won't be important at the end of the season? 


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Oct 2024, 11:12
#27
13 Oct 2024, 11:12#27
...if anything, easy wins should be prioritised. Honestly, I want the Saffa teams to take a bit of a spanking for a few years. Might help them realise that thinking you're good doesn't mean you're good and that reputation is the enemy. I'm noticing a bit too much arrogance in our rugby. Some of these hallowed coaches are also being exposed...which is good news as far as I'm concerned.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2024, 12:36
#28
13 Oct 2024, 12:36#28

Pakie 

Remember the case where Beneton knocked on a ball and with an excellent opportunty to counter-attack Esterhuizen knocked on  the ball himself    You describe De Alende aqs a cart horse - but his pace is twice that of  Estrhuizen and he has ball sense to be where he assist scoring of tries and score tries himself - while Estrhuizen has very little in ball skills and n bal sense  and that means he was constantly in the wrong position where he should have been in defense.   That cause try scoring by Belleton yesterday.

Your hero worship of Esterhuizen is a joke and it is clear Erasmus realizes that,    I doubt it very much if he and Mostert will be  in the November test squad going to the UK, as well as succeeding squads next year.   .                   

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Oct 2024, 13:27
#29
13 Oct 2024, 13:27#29

Remember the case where Beneton knocked on a ball and with an excellent opportunty to counter-attack Esterhuizen knocked on  the ball himself

Yes.

that means he was constantly in the wrong position where he should have been in defense. That cause try scoring by Belleton yesterday.

Give me one example.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2024, 14:10
#30
13 Oct 2024, 14:10#30

Every time te Belleton backline ran straight through the Sharks backline that was the case. and that happened at least 4 times  

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Oct 2024, 14:18
#31
13 Oct 2024, 14:18#31

I see. So Esterhuizen is the only person who can tackle in the entire side, is what you're saying? If he's not there, the opposition just run through them.

Never knew you rated him that highly, go figure. Most Important Player in the side.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2024, 15:32
#32
13 Oct 2024, 15:32#32

Take it from me - Esterhuizen was always a dubious tackler and yesterday often was not in the defense line,    In the one case he was the opposition atatcker went straight through the gap betwen Esterhuizen  and Masuku - and scored a try.   I other cases was nowhere in the defense line and Belleton had a field day.    

To conclude the argument - Esterhuizen had a disastrous performance day whatever way you look at it.          

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Oct 2024, 15:39
#33
13 Oct 2024, 15:39#33

Here's probably the typical stuff ou Maaik will blame on Esterhuizen "not being in position".

Benetton try #4. 

Image 1: Ball comes down the backline. Esterhuizen (yellow) is in position in the defensive line. Watch the decoy runner (red).

Image 2: Decoy runner comes through and takes Esterhuizen out, while simultaneously Sharks 23 (blue), instead of holding the line, comes inside onto the carrier, opening a massive gap behind him.

Image 3: Esterhuizen can be seen on the ground after being taken out by the decoy runner, and Benetton about to run through the ground vacated by #23's stupid and unnecessary inside rush to score.

But surely, since the Sharks line was breached, we must follow ou Maaik's logic and accept that this has to be Esterhuizen's fault. Surely.

This should in fact have been a Sharks penalty.



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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Oct 2024, 15:39
#34
13 Oct 2024, 15:39#34

In the one case he was the opposition atatcker went straight through the gap betwen Esterhuizen  and Masuku

Which try?

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Oct 2024, 16:00
#35
13 Oct 2024, 16:00#35

I'm sure this is the incident the poor old confused sod refers to as someone running between Esterhuizen and Masuku.

Leadup to Benetton try #5: The break is made between Julius and Sharks #22, whatever his name is.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Oct 2024, 16:05
#36
13 Oct 2024, 16:05#36

Pakie, lyk my jy't Vlagman se vlag opgetel...sterkte.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Oct 2024, 18:17
#37
13 Oct 2024, 18:17#37

Let's keep it going, Draad, see what a sad smear campaign we have here. 

Benetton try #3 . Benetton takes a quick throw-in deep inside the Sharks 22. Esterhuizen is the only player awake to it and immediately tackles the receiver of the throw (yellow circle first image), but the latter manages to get the pass away to the Ben wing. He then beats first Jordan Hendrikse, and then Sharks 23 to score.

So in three tries so far we have Sharks 23 twice directly culpable, Sharks 22 and 13 joint culpable, and Jordan Hendrikse culpable. However, Hendrikse will be culpable a second time, as I'll show shortly. Yet not a comment from ou Maaik, not a one, on any of these players failing in their duties. It's all Esterhuizen.


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Oct 2024, 18:33
#38
13 Oct 2024, 18:33#38

Benetton try #1. The Sharks is in a world of shit here anyway, but the try is made inevitable by their only wide defender, Jordan Hendrikse, inexplicably charging into midfield, which easily facilitates the wide pass to the wing. Had Hendrikse stayed wide the long pass may not have come as there was a risk of interception, and putting the ball through the hands may have given the Sharks cover defense time to get across. Maybe, but doubtful. Howsoever, Hendrikse's decision put it beyond doubt.

As it stands it's a straight sprint to the line for the wing, with none of the 4 Sharks backs trying to get across making it in time.


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Oct 2024, 18:50
#39
13 Oct 2024, 18:50#39

Benetton try 2: phase ball, move to the right, Ben 6 gets the ball. He beats Masuku, steps inside Julius and shrugs off Jaden Hendrikse, bumps off Juliu s who got back to make an actual attempt, then offloads as Hendriks finally latches on to him and the try is scored. 

Masuku, Julius, Hendrikse. Julius now culpable twice, yet not a mention from ou Maaik. All Esterhuizen.

So that's the 5 Benetton tries and incontrovertible proof of ou Maaik's bullshit. Not that any was needed.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2024, 19:04
#40
13 Oct 2024, 19:04#40

so 3 photos nne of whom shows Esterhuixen so where was he in any event/   if hrepaased Masuku and then Julirs comesin as a deffender - where the hell was Esterhuizen?   At criticl times ooccal times he went AWOL without any effort to defend anything.            

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