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Shell-shocked Jake vows introspection, says Bulls will return stronger

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
24 Jun 2024, 06:48
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24 Jun 2024, 06:48#1

https://supersport.com/rugby/united-rugby-championship/news/4755dd1a-5f85-4853-bdc3-a31ac25a2fa1/shell-shocked-jake-vows-introspection-says-bulls-will-return-stronger


rugby24 June 2024 02:29By:Brenden Nel

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
24 Jun 2024, 06:49
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24 Jun 2024, 06:49#2

https://supersport.com/rugby/united-rugby-championship/news/4755dd1a-5f85-4853-bdc3-a31ac25a2fa1/shell-shocked-jake-vows-introspection-says-bulls-will-return-stronger

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jun 2024, 06:54
#3
24 Jun 2024, 06:54#3
Can’t believe they did not win that at home - piss poor really
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Jun 2024, 07:17
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24 Jun 2024, 07:17#4

The Bulls created at least two solid breakout opportunities in the first half that they squandered with hasty, inaccurate offloading or passing. They should have been home and gone after the first 40. 

They refused numerous kickable penalties - in a final - for lineout mauls which Glasgow were perfectly happy to counter. This includes one with a fair bit of time remaining in the second half that could have put them within two points, drop goal territory. Stupid decisions, poor execution, leaky defense (at one point 37 missed tackles late in the second) that put them on the backfoot and scrambling that entire half.

The Bulls allowing Glasgow to score at the end of the first half after they completely dominated to that point swung the game. Wrong time to take your foot off the pedal. It was all Glasgow from then on.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
24 Jun 2024, 09:01
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24 Jun 2024, 09:01#5
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
24 Jun 2024, 09:04
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24 Jun 2024, 09:04#6

Also agree with those having a go at the DJ at Loftus, its a rugby stadium not a night club . Stop playing music every time there is stoppage, takes the home crowd out of the game.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
24 Jun 2024, 09:16
#7
24 Jun 2024, 09:16#7

Klop ................ its a sad feature in NZ as well.

Look at the Euros soccer .............. who needs Neil Diamond or Tom Jones ?

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Jun 2024, 09:23
#8
24 Jun 2024, 09:23#8

Also agree with those having a go at the DJ at Loftus, its a rugby stadium not a night club. Stop playing music every time there is stoppage, takes the home crowd out of the game.

That's the Loftus way, Stav, and to a large extent the South African way. South Africans will travel all the way into the middle of the bush surrounded by nature and then blast music all night long. Can't see it changing anytime soon.

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
24 Jun 2024, 12:14
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24 Jun 2024, 12:14#9

Jake needs to pack it in, he has a huge budget, least transformed team (not that it matters) and yet can't put a decent team out. With no Moody. Willie or Arendse (wasn't 100%) seem to run out of ideas. 

Not sure how Carr is still able to make any professional team. 

Very poor execution by the team. Just when I think Jake is about to do some special he goes and messes it up. That trophy was the bulls any day. 

But then the stormers did the same, but at least we can see now which players can handle the pressure in finals and who can't

I believe boks should be selected from these scenarios and we should just ignore their stats rest of the season

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jun 2024, 12:36
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24 Jun 2024, 12:36#10
And then he goes and says the ref was favouring the away side Typical Jake
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
24 Jun 2024, 12:45
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24 Jun 2024, 12:45#11
A person can only wonder what was said at half time ….the Bulls looked panicked and no real answers to the problems that they were facing on the field….Jake was talking in his post match interview about a trick he is still missing . One of the tricks is defences. That is in my eyes one of the biggest reasons they lost and taking each and every one of your kick able penalties….as a seasoned campaigner Jake is supposed to know this.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Jun 2024, 13:08
#12
24 Jun 2024, 13:08#12

Well here's the simplest final trick: take the points when on offer. If you're 5 off, take the 3 and suddenly you don't need to desperately graft for a try to win, you can kick yourself over the finish line.

Another one: if it ain't working (mauls, sending isolated runners at a defensive wall), try something else.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jun 2024, 13:36
#13
24 Jun 2024, 13:36#13

No introspection necesssary - just stop playing  Jake Ball and the team will improve.   For that purpose try and  have a game plan in advance as to how to score tries - which John Smit said was totally absent from the 2007 WC final match - the same thing happened in the Bulls match on Saturday.   

In any even there were no coherent play in the match and then they would not have to consider as to why they lost the game would not have a revoew f why they lost.  

Dave is right it was a shit performance .       

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Jun 2024, 14:31
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24 Jun 2024, 14:31#14

Congrats to the Bulls for earning a home final. Shows they did a lot right in the campaign.

Am I right in saying the Bulls were without Nyankane, Pollard, Moodie and Willie yet only lost by 5 points. Does anybody doubt the presence of these 4 was not worth at least 6 points. 

Yes errors were made and chances were not taken but that happens and happend to the Glasgow Warriors as well.

However the Jake bashers should pipe down, stop over emoting  and also acknowledge what was achieved, something the other SA franchises couldn't achieve.

Please oaks man up and take the loss on the chin. Also be brave enough to admit the ref was not up to scratch which is never helpful. Love to see a Rassie analysis of the errors. 

A point of concern was how the Bulls didn't deal with the rolling maul. Personally I though the Glasgow Warriors pack was pretty good and very fit. so give them credit.

I didn't think Wilco and the front row were that good. Wilco is a lump of lard. Rassie like strong props with endurance and fight. Does Wilco fit the bill? Probably not.

Anyhow Jake has something to build on. 



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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Jun 2024, 14:39
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24 Jun 2024, 14:39#15

A point of concern was how the Bulls didn't deal with the rolling maul.

Somewhere in the game they quoted the number of maul tries Glasgow has scored but I can't remember the exact numbers. Something to the effect of they've scored 20-something maul tries in the tournament while the next closest side was at 7.  Maybe someone can get the right numbers from somewhere.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
24 Jun 2024, 14:41
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24 Jun 2024, 14:41#16
 Also be brave enough to admit the ref was not up to scratch which is never helpful. Love to see a Rassie analysis of the errors. 
Rubbish the ref was fine, as he was in last years final. Glasgow just the better team on the day.
I notice the South African media has largely ignored Jakes ref comments. Think the realise its a bad look. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2024, 15:04
#17
24 Jun 2024, 15:04#17

I’m a Jake supporter, the guy is totally about rugby….but his comment on the ref was ill advised. South Africans are whining too much.

 I agree with Pakie…we should have kicked the penalty that would have reduced the deficit to 2. That would have put the pressure on Glasgow.

Still the Bools had several chances from 5metres out to score. They just kept trying the maul which never worked all game. But it’s not like they weren’t competitive. They lost composure more than anything else. Too much doom and gloom and FFS every SA team should have a backline play as a maul alternative….or at least consider a tap and go vs a well defended maul.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jun 2024, 15:27
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24 Jun 2024, 15:27#18
Jake has always been an average coach and a complete dick He is being true to form Disgrace that given his squad and budget he can’t win a final at home Stupid selections like moving Kriel from 12 to 13, moving Moodie from 13 back to wing Jake has always been crap with selections
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2024, 15:32
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24 Jun 2024, 15:32#19

The Luke  Watson syndrome never goes away.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jun 2024, 16:11
#20
24 Jun 2024, 16:11#20
His inability to work with Luke accounts for less than 1% of my issue with Jake
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becsPro4,378 posts
24 Jun 2024, 17:16
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24 Jun 2024, 17:16#21

I agree with you, Stav. All these blasts of music during matches really gets my goat 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
24 Jun 2024, 17:27
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24 Jun 2024, 17:27#22
What’s is your goat’s name Becs ? : )
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Jun 2024, 17:40
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24 Jun 2024, 17:40#23

What’s is your goat’s name Becs ? : )

Dave.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jun 2024, 17:45
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24 Jun 2024, 17:45#24
:)
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becsPro4,378 posts
24 Jun 2024, 17:59
#25
24 Jun 2024, 17:59#25

It’s called Percy, Mpower  

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Jun 2024, 18:00
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24 Jun 2024, 18:00#26

Nice of you to name him after a Bok fullback, Becs.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2024, 18:06
#27
24 Jun 2024, 18:06#27

I thought all goats were called Billy after Vunipola.

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becsPro4,378 posts
24 Jun 2024, 18:09
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24 Jun 2024, 18:09#28

I name all my random animals after the great Percy Montgomery, Pakie. 

I’ve had a cat, a fish, a weasel……now a goat  

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Jun 2024, 18:16
#29
24 Jun 2024, 18:16#29

Cool

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becsPro4,378 posts
24 Jun 2024, 18:17
#30
24 Jun 2024, 18:17#30

My favourite pet, a Bengal miniature Leopard, was called Cabous  

I also had a Koi called Joost.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2024, 18:22
#31
24 Jun 2024, 18:22#31

What do you call Dave?

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becsPro4,378 posts
24 Jun 2024, 18:34
#32
24 Jun 2024, 18:34#32

Ooh that would be telling, Mozart  

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
24 Jun 2024, 18:38
#33
24 Jun 2024, 18:38#33
Is a bengal cat more aggressive than a normal house cat?
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becsPro4,378 posts
24 Jun 2024, 18:41
#34
24 Jun 2024, 18:41#34

Oh yes, Mpower. He had issues over control. He would attack and acted like he was my partner rather than him being a pet. 

With regards attacking other cats, no. He was not a big fighter, certainly nothing like my Siamese.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
24 Jun 2024, 18:49
#35
24 Jun 2024, 18:49#35
Sounds scary….beautiful markings though.
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becsPro4,378 posts
24 Jun 2024, 18:56
#36
24 Jun 2024, 18:56#36

He was a bit scary. I do have the scars to remember him by ! 

He was the most beautiful and intelligent cat though. I still miss him  

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
24 Jun 2024, 21:34
#37
24 Jun 2024, 21:34#37
Hopefully you have a safer Kitty now : )
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2024, 22:27
#39
24 Jun 2024, 22:27#39

It was pretty low key.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jun 2024, 22:35
#40
24 Jun 2024, 22:35#40
Imagine if it had been Rassie - funny how his non direct comments had board members raising all hell and good old Jake has a bitch and a moan about the ref and that’s classified as low key The hypocrisy
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