GTGonzo the Great
Club Pro560 posts
GTGonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
16 Aug 2014, 21:33#2
you just have to stop being arrogant and give argentina some credit, tyats 5 out of 6 tests theyve been right in there to maybe win. australia hage been way worse against us. so what do you ecpect in wet weather when an oppo has a great scrum, great defence and lot if heart... it aint easy im so ashamed of my ciuntrymen sometimes, show a little respect, the boks are improving and would have lost that test in 2012 maybe last year too.
16 Aug 2014, 21:48#3
I'm not just talking about that game, which you obv not taking what I'm saying in context. Never mind what argentinia did.. We couldn't even decide on a throw in... Which throw in... That's got nothing to do with how your playing, or how were playing.. That's to do with coaching and decision making. Also picking the squads got nothing to do with how you played. I thought Argentina played alright.. As always.. But I'm on about deeper squad building and coaching issues that's been coming up over the last year which is concerning as World Cup is forthcoming. As for arrogance.. What did they do what was amazing? Was it an amazing Argentinian performance? No was it an good sa performance no. So if I want to raise concerns about my squad I'll happily do it arrogance aside.. I don't need it really..
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 21:51#4
Bendt
Welcome to the site. I was grossly unhappy with some performances today. The worst players were by some distance the following:-
Cornal HendricksMorne SteynRuan PienaarBakkies BothaJannie du Plessis
Hendricks made some defensive errors and has a problem under high balls - produced nothing in attack
Morne did his damnedest to try and give the Argentinians a victory
Ruan Pienaar donkey-kicked aimless kicks continuously
Bakkies Botha did bugger-all the whole time he was on the field of play
Jannie was a scrumming disaster.
Some playersw like De Villiers and Etzebeth was undercooked and clearly needed more game time.
I call Morne Streyn the Stade Francais Reject - he is normally their bench fflyhalf. Looking at his game today one can clearly see why he is not the Club starting flyhalf.
16 Aug 2014, 21:53#5
What I'm saying is the books are not improving.. If we made decisions today and looked as if we ment them and lost, I'd've been happy cz at least we looked like we had a clue but we looked lost.. In a build up year to World Cup... Not good. But that's not the players.. It's a gameplay thing. I was amazed last year after we beat you in sa to you nearly beating us in Argentina. But Argentinas always been a hard game. I remember 97 when pinaar left the pitch covered in blood after a tour in Tina
16 Aug 2014, 22:05#6
Well I totally agree with you there.. Mornes seems to play with strings on.. I don't understand if he gets told what to do when but we can't have a no10 sa squad player sit on a bench most season... I don't think lambie the man either.. I do not understand what the fascination with Ryan pinaar is?? He just never plays amazing and scrum halves win games.. Front foot and quick intelligence comes from them.. Too much put on fly halves when it's the scrummies who in my opinion affect it more.. Hendricks had that one good game and nope.. I'd punch dialendi out there get Fran's steyne in so it deviliers Fran's dialendi. Think it's a bit early for pollard to say if he'll shine.. Think in the circumstances he did ok. Couple of over kicks but I like his step when it's dry. So hopefully he'll grow into boots. Jannies been a disaster at basic playing for about a year though... I don't understand what the fascination with him is? I like that dutioit lad for sharks.. Powerful lad.. But he'll need to get more core strength to become a true 21st century front row
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 22:12#7
Bendt
Jusst one other thing. There is no worse a backline player - center or flyhalf - than Grans Steyn. If you really want to jeopardize the whole backline - pick him as a flyhalf or center. I can write books about that one - but he was the poorest defending Center in Super 16 and the only 12 who made only one line break in all the games he played in. All the other frontline centers scored tries - Fransie never came anywhere near to scoring one.
The Sharks backline was malfunctioning the whole year - now that Fransi is not there to bugger things up in the CC - the backline is doing very well.
17 Aug 2014, 03:56#9
I wouldn't put Fran's in a ten jersey, I'd put him wing, du preez ten?? Deviliers dialendi habana le rouxFran's other wing.... Pure kicking ability and he can tackle when he pulls his French finger out. I think Bismarck struggled but still performed.. I refuse to blame him for an admin issue. The players looked like they we're put out there with no game plan and yes Strauss found players but he had slightly easier conditions.. But even so, indesicion from Strauss was clear, 2 line outs comes to mind for all to see...one at front where we were heading into touch as soon as front receiver had the ball. Watch nzl walk up to a line out.. No words nothing. Set throw boom... They all knew the set game plan and possible selections.. All in sync. We just seemed disjointed. As a team and all sa teams were and will be the same.. Physical .. If we can't rule scrums and line outs we cannot depend on this new venture evolution of running rugby to fill that voide because we need that foundation for our expansion of running rugby to work. Bakkies doesn't fit our new game, too slow, Janine too slow.. We need work horses, why I say Jacque potgieter cz willem Elbert's and i love him just seems lazy lately.. Not that sparkle of want I see from Lowe Coetzee potgieter, eben ebsabeth.. Front rankers.. All I'm gna say is look at the lions and how a inexperience front row stood up in super 15 and think. We need new core strength correctly coached hungry for blood youth. With sparkle.. A want in their eyes.. Bismarcks got it.. Lood s has got it, maybe victor in and out mixing the experience but were talking about stuff that should've happened last year and this year refined, yet Heineke does not have this World Cup next year plan thing set out for me.. Look, we've come up with huge issues and blatant problems. What is it, 7 games 12 month still wcr15... If gooseneck could play 30 minutes without getting injured he'd prob get the place lol how bad is that for depth... The great sa 10's we've had. And Mornes was a great.. Bt can't expect him to come from a bench.
17 Aug 2014, 04:14#10
Bikkies, I said a couple of things that picked up o. What you said there but I agree with Juan smith.. I'd've put him on today as well. Another workhorse with speed and strength and from 4-8 we need that. Our game will only work if they have the speed and strength to get to breakdown for rucks turnovers and phase building and with speed and strength we need to decide who's an impact player and accept 2 of them are gna share most games. Some games I do not understand why Bismarck is taken off. Other games I get it. But it's like a set routine and Heineke doesn't seem flexible.. Bismarch(nt tday) plays well, let's carry on and try other combinations. Always the same stuff. How did Janine stay on longer than bizzy today?? Did we watch the same game as Heineke.. Look at every scrum from Janine in last year, I bet you find 3 that his angle or bind doesn't look suspect and he gets dominated.. Unfortunately the new rules doesn't fit with him, in my opinion. There's that young du Toit lad that I think could be the next sa front rower. But it all gna come down to core strength training, and we need to make them do it. The on other coutries do. Trust me, I okay ruf in England as an expat and they work just on that stuff. A perfect example is cheetahs and springbok prop.. Coonie ooszhuisen. Ask everyone, his one of the most powerful guys going.. But struggling and in my opinion it comes down to core strength training...
