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Should the public boycott Rugby Games?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jun 2016, 17:28
#1
13 Jun 2016, 17:28#1

The following from News24:-

“Former Springbok prop Ockie Oosthuizen says the time has come for shareholders, fans and sponsors to boycott South African rugby.

Oosthuizen, 61, played nine Tests for the Springboks between 1981 and 1984. He was also Transvaal's captain.

The former prop was so upset following last Saturday’s first ever home defeat to Ireland that he took to Facebook to write a heartfelt letter.

Saturday’s result was one of the “lowest points ever in SA Rugby’s history”, according to Oosthuizen.

“I was privileged to play for South Africa over a four-year period, even though it was in the apartheid era and time of isolation. But all that mattered to us was to play the game we loved and enjoyed.

“In spite of that, politics had a big influence on the game and we saw the full effects of that during the 1981 tour to New Zealand.

“Since then the game has turned professional and money has played a bigger role. However, in spite of that, politics still dominate the game.

“We have to compete in the highly competitive world of professional rugby against countries who are free of political interference. They are able to at all times compete with their best teams without interference from their governments.

“Furthermore, we have to compete in a highly competitive environment with the rest of the world while there is prescribed to us who we should pick - while at the same time we are expected to compete with the best in the world and win.”

According to Oosthuizen, the top brass at SA Rugby are just there for own personal gain and he has called on the privatisation of the professional arm of rugby.

“The time has come for all stakeholders, like shareholders, players, rugby supporters, sponsors etc. to withdraw their participation, attendance and involvement from the game… until the professional arm is fully privatised and rugby in South Africa is restructured to function just like a public company with the ‘corporate governance’ that goes with it.

“Amateur rugby can be funded by the professional arm and government and that’s where development should take place, not at international level where we have to compete professionally. At that level we have to win at all costs, because that’s all that matters!

“I feel there is only one way in which the message can be conveyed loud and clear to SARU and their media partners and that is an overall boycott, especially at a Test match!

“It will very quickly make SARU, the media and sponsors realise that the game needs to be restructured to adapt to the business norms of the rest of the world and mainly free of political interference!”

 

This ex-player is making a valid point bearing in mind rugby is now a business and that competitiveness is what counts.   Only the best professional players based on merit should be selected to play.

The problem is that SARU has never adjusted to manage a professional game environment and is still run on an amateur basis – while the government is prescribing political selection rules which trump merit selections.   Players should be selected on merit only – if all the team selected on a merit basis are Black they would have the support of all real rugby lovers.    It is clear that  the Government does not fulfil their duty to support sport development (all team sporting codes) in schools and ensure that  development  of players commence on a wider basis than at present – the imbalances of the present scenario will be corrected in future.    

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Jun 2016, 18:08
#2
13 Jun 2016, 18:08#2
 Ou Maaaik you will recall that when the bulle were playing rubbish rugby Loftus got very empty. Then The Lions were ruined by Van Rooyen etc and Ellis Park emptied.Believe me if the Boks keep loosing the same will happen. More so because the paying public know what is going on.
There will be far less money around and OZ and NZ will feel the pinch. At that point, and defintely,not before these huge hypocroits will find their"moral" compass and start protesting at political interference in sport! ou warped DUD will suddenly get all indignant and JW babble away incoherently as per usual. Poooie and brycy will complain about how unfair it is that the wee abs havent any money to pay the bent refs and how this is jeopardising everything.
Bwahahahahhahahahaha what a disgrace these down under yobs are Hahahahahhaahhahaha. - Look how dense denise has turned out if further proof is needed.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,269 posts
13 Jun 2016, 18:52
#3
13 Jun 2016, 18:52#3
From what I understand- SARU is a private organisation. If they do not meet the transformation targets- then they can be taken to court by the government and fined, or worse. 
It is probably not the fault of SARU- they have to comply with the government. If SARU was replaced with another company- would it be any different. Not sure. 
Not many international coaches would want the springbok job- as it has 2 different goals. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,269 posts
13 Jun 2016, 21:29
#4
13 Jun 2016, 21:29#4
 this is an interesting article. http://www.thesportfreak.com/south-africa/irb-suspend-south-africa-world-rugby/

The IRB rule book on racial discrimination reads as follows:

In terms of By-Law 3 of the IRB rules and regulations, the IRB is compelled to prevent any form of racial discrimination in rugby. IRB Regulation 20 also stipulates that any action which may be construed as racial discrimination will be regarded as misconduct. In terms of By-Law 7, not only is a country’s international team bound to this; the provincial rugby unions resorting under a country’s board must adhere to these principles as well. In terms of By-Law 9.4(r) the IRB may institute disciplinary steps against any rugby body that violates these rules.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jun 2016, 22:22
#5
13 Jun 2016, 22:22#5
 The IRB should take action when the Government interferes in team selection - but they won't in this case.   However, if this continues and their cash box is effected drastically because of a weakening SA team - they may take action.   The Supreme Court has already ruled in cases brought to it that racial  discrimination in the work place is unconstitutional and the government would prefer that this issue is not raised in courts.        
BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
13 Jun 2016, 23:49
#6
13 Jun 2016, 23:49#6
 Sharkbok:

From what I understand- SARU is a private organisation. 

If they do not meet the transformation targets- then they can be taken to court by the government and fined, or worse. 

Taken to court breaking which SA law?


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,269 posts
14 Jun 2016, 00:02
#7
14 Jun 2016, 00:02#7
Blikkies I am not sure one exists. 
Ii wonder if the sports minister has since changed this to make it constitutional. That would make it formal like apartheid was. 
It might just be a case that SARU would get bullied financially into complying. 

The IRB banned South Africa when it was only white players could play, will they then ban South Africa if 50% of the team must be non-white?  
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
14 Jun 2016, 00:17
#8
14 Jun 2016, 00:17#8
 That dude is right about transformation taking place at lower levels .Boycotting the game may well just kill it altogether .A win or 2 over the Aussies ,Irish and Argies will make you guys feel better .Not the ABs though then I will be feckking sad too ! PS: your guys will always lift for the ABs ,its why we always worry when facing your boys!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jun 2016, 05:22
#9
14 Jun 2016, 05:22#9
It works the following way.  ABSA used to be a major sponsor of the Springboks.  They also handled Government accounts and was told by Government that their Government business is in jeopardy if they continue to support Rugby.   So they cancelled the sponsorship because of deficient transformation.   
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jun 2016, 05:22
#10
14 Jun 2016, 05:22#10
It works the following way.  ABSA used to be a major sponsor of the Springboks.  They also handled Government accounts and was told by Government that their Government business is in jeopardy if they continue to support Rugby.   So they cancelled the sponsorship because of deficient transformation.   
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Jun 2016, 09:24
#11
14 Jun 2016, 09:24#11
 There are moment when ou warped DUD seems almost sane!!
However I think it will get worse before it get better - if it ever does. The anc is not interested in sport. Their interest is only about race. They are racists and I doubt that will change any tim e soon.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 Jun 2016, 09:38
#12
14 Jun 2016, 09:38#12
 This is about racial discrimination.
Of course we should boycott test matches. In fact every race based selection should be boycotted.
Stop being such a bunch of wimps. Stand up for what you love. 
If you'd rather not ... then please don't come aboard here and complain about the tragic state of SA rugby.
 


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Jun 2016, 10:41
#13
14 Jun 2016, 10:41#13
 Chiefs take halftime lead over Wales - Half time score; NZ Herald

The Chiefs have taken a 21-0 halftime lead against Wales as they seek to spoil Warren Gatland's homecoming in Hamilton.

The Welsh coach was a Waikato stalwart during his playing days but no amount of local knowledge was enough to stop the Chiefs from scoring three unanswered tries to seize command of the match.

Missing their All Black contingent, the Chiefs were far more clinical in a disjointed opening half, forced to live off less possession and worse field position but striking through Brad Weber, Tom Sanders and Dominic Bird.

The first demonstrated Stephen Donald - captain for the night - still had plenty of life left in his legs, showing good strength in the tackle and picking a perfect pass to set away his halfback.

The second try was all about the force of the Chiefs forwards close to the line while the third demonstrated the home side's persistence, with Donald being denied by the TMO only for Bird's physicality to prove far too much for a stretched opposition.

All those qualities were largely lacking from the tourists, who spent plenty of time in attack but came away with nothing to show for their efforts. And that was more about the tourists' profligacy than the Chiefs' defence, with Wales on several occasions appearing to pick the wrong option with the line in sight.

Not even the late inclusion of a few test starters could help Wales find any fluency, with injuries seeing captain Sam Warburton, Taulupe Faletau and Jamie Roberts all called up to the 23.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Jun 2016, 10:42
#14
14 Jun 2016, 10:42#14
 @SB and Blikkies. The dilemma for World Rugby is that, although they have their charters against racism, etc, etc, they cannot prescribe what a country can have in its constitution and what not. While we are all up in arms about how far govt is stretching this Affirmative Action BS, they have unfortunately covered their bases.
While the constitution prohibits anybody or any organisation of discriminating against anybody of the grounds of this, that and the other, they have also left themselves a nice little backdoor. They have added a little clause that also says something to the fact of: "Unless it serves to redress the 'wrongs of the past...', etc, etc ". 
While I have also signed that petition, I don't think that we have a snowball's hope in hell of making any headway. There is another, almost identical, petition to the one above. It can be found here: https://www.change.org/p/brett-gosper-worldrugby-org-stop-racial-quotas-in-south-african-rugby
It needs just another 397 signatures to reach 2,500. The way I understand it is that as soon you reach 2,500 signatures, Change.org will submit the petition and the accompanying supporting documentation to World Rugby and World Rugby will have to respond.
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
14 Jun 2016, 14:44
#15
14 Jun 2016, 14:44#15
 Of course we should boycott test matches. In fact every race based selection should be boycotted.


If only it had been done earlier.

No professional rugby in SA since the team has always been selected on racial basis.

SA would be richer of all the resources squandered on professional rugby.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Jun 2016, 15:31
#16
14 Jun 2016, 15:31#16
 There are bigger worries than resources squandered on rugby. At least most of the money being spend on rugby was earned by those who enjoy rugby.
BO
BokBFClub Pro421 posts
14 Jun 2016, 16:00
#17
14 Jun 2016, 16:00#17
 I have not purchased a jersey or watched a game in SA for 5 years and don't think I ever will again. Quite sad really.  
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Jun 2016, 02:56
#18
15 Jun 2016, 02:56#18
 Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember you saying you were going to the last RWC and that you had nine tickets for the game against Japan?
Is that correct BokBF?
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Jun 2016, 09:26
#19
15 Jun 2016, 09:26#19
 Not quite the same as boycotting SARU when you attend a RWC now, is it Denny?
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Jun 2016, 09:34
#20
15 Jun 2016, 09:34#20
 Rummetjie uitnek, the post if you haven't noticed, was addressed to BokBF, not you. Besides, that being your perception why do you ask me Hmmm? I await BokBF's response....thanks for your interest.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Jun 2016, 09:50
#21
15 Jun 2016, 09:50#21
 " or watched a game in SA"
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Jun 2016, 10:42
#22
15 Jun 2016, 10:42#22
@Oh Holy one, I thought that this was a public forum where anyone could respond to any of the posts? 
Oh, and the term is "Rammetjie" . 
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Jun 2016, 11:11
#23
15 Jun 2016, 11:11#23
Back in the day it was automatic ........... big game at Newlands & we were there ....... now, I doubt it  ..... fck these politicians, who, I sincerely believe, don't give a flying fck about the rugby .  Its all about control & they're aware how passionate we are about this game & how easy it is to fck with us . Their collective moer, they can stick their version of the game that I love . I'd join a boycott .

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Jun 2016, 12:21
#24
15 Jun 2016, 12:21#24
blobbok
 
Status: Bok regular 
Posts: 1597RE: Should the public boycott Rugby Games?
June 15, 2016, 11:11:08

I'd join a boycott .


I am already
Spend money to watch a 100% certifiable political team show up. ... that does not come close to representing my country at all
It's a bloody farce, irrespective of what the next results are. 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Jun 2016, 13:17
#25
15 Jun 2016, 13:17#25
 I went to the match at Newlands because it was supposed to be a work team building exercise.  Next time I go to Newlands, I and a few others will be handing out fliers. Most of our rugby supporters don't like the way things are heading and I think all rugby people, POC players included hate race baced sellections. It's time to get rugby people united and organised, to put an end to this BS.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Jun 2016, 13:24
#26
15 Jun 2016, 13:24#26
 Guaranteed you won't be arrested like I was, and I didn't even hand out fliers. Not that it matters but my protest was outside of Athlone Stadium.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Jun 2016, 13:26
#27
15 Jun 2016, 13:26#27
Hahahahahhahahahaha ou windpomp gobsmacking dense denise.
A boycott would be fine by me. 
Sign that petition oaks!! 
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Jun 2016, 13:31
#28
15 Jun 2016, 13:31#28
 Gobsmacked Hmmm??
You wish.
Downstairs boy, off you go to the basement where you can gabble to yourself at heart's content...you Fruitcake!
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Jun 2016, 13:38
#29
15 Jun 2016, 13:38#29
 dense denise you were completely owned by windpomp. No use denying it! Hahahahahahahahahahaha
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Jun 2016, 13:50
#30
15 Jun 2016, 13:50#30

 Never give a young man a mobile phone and never give a Preacher a microphone...
lastly , never give an attention seeking Fruitcake an audience.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,269 posts
15 Jun 2016, 14:08
#31
15 Jun 2016, 14:08#31
If the Springboks lose 50% of the matches- I will stop watching them.  (Regardless of if it is a quota team or not)
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Jun 2016, 15:07
#32
15 Jun 2016, 15:07#32
sharkbok
 
Status: Rugby Legend 
Posts: 5503RE: Should the public boycott Rugby Games?
June 15, 2016, 14:08:33

If the Springboks lose 50% of the matches- I will stop watching them. 

(Regardless of if it is a quota team or not)


     50% of how many matches sharkbok?
    Currently they are sitting on 100% 
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