SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Feb 2014, 00:55#2
I am not convinced by this fantasy thing......Mike Brown had a fantastic game, won MOM yet scored so low on fantasy.
The scoring system does not fairly reflect the players contributions in a game.
MDMonkey D Luffy
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MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
25 Feb 2014, 01:28#3
@oimatey,good looking out,
@saffex,yup the scoring can be pretty BS, but the scoring system might give you an idea of how to plan accordingly,
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Feb 2014, 01:54#4
Sas thats why I cant get into this fantasy rugby......the scoring is not scientific enough......too many true rugby factors are excluded
25 Feb 2014, 02:43#5
It is difficult to plan when a player has a stormer yet gets marked with a low score in comparison with a bog ordinary player !! Unless one can understand the vagaries of the scorers brain, it's impossible to really make any real decision, i sn't it ?
I think, in fairness, it's what one calls " a lottery "
Good luck with it though !!
25 Feb 2014, 03:16#6
It can't measure subjective items like rugby nous, instincts, decision making and taking but for the most part I find a player that has a good game also does well statistically and therefore scores high in fantasy.
There is the odd occasion where that doesn't line up, but it usually does. There is a good level of predictability.
I find Foxsports and Superbru are pretty true to the mainline stats you would find on ESPN etc but Testrugby definitely has a more subjective approach and in-house scorer. Their "Go-Forward" stat is particularly subjective as not every time a player carries the ball does it meet the criteria to be scored as "Go-Forward"
Fantasy rugby has definitely made me watch the game differently and notice things I otherwise might not have.
25 Feb 2014, 13:46#7
But Mike Brown is heading the 6 Nations Most Metres Gained....how's he scoring in the Fantasy game for that ?
Chris Robshaw, Most Tackles Made ? Is he anywhere in your Fantasy stats ?
I don't suppose so !
What about Danny Care ? Playing exceptionally well, two Drop Goals and a Try, goodness knows how many metres made/offloads etc over the Tournament so far. But I bet he isn't even in the mix, is he ?
I'm sure Mike Brown would be doing a lot better if he was wearing a different colour shirt !!
26 Feb 2014, 05:58#8
Becs,
Mike Brown is the highest scoring outside back
Danny Care is the highest scoring scrumhalf
Robshaw is the 11th highest scoring loosie but that is because the scoring takes into account a lot more than tackling and his attacking game is not as good as the top scoring loosies of which Billy Vunipola is the highest, who also happens to be English.
ABABasquefan
Pro2,549 posts
26 Feb 2014, 16:06#9
As Sasue and oimatey are pointing it all depends on the scoring system.
The one of Testrugby is a little bit subjective:
Game Statistic
Short Name
Points Value
Score a Try
Try
100
Assist (setup a try)
Ast
60
Line Break / Beat Tackler
L-brk
30
Force a Turnover
T-o
30
Kick a Goal
G-kck
25
Setup Go Forward Ball
G-fwd
20
Catch a Kick
Cat
20
Make a Tackle
Tkl
10
Win a Scrum
Scr
10
Win a Lineout
L-o
10
Miss a Kick at Goal
G-mis
-15
Lose Possession
L-pos
-20
Concede Penalty
Pen
-25
instead of runs or metres gained, they put a categorie "Go forward" which is totally subjectie since some runs are counted and others are not.
The "catch a kick" categorie is very strange also because is not something to reward and less with so many points. That's why players like Sam whitelock always perform well in this fantasy game, he's the main catcher for the saders which can mean 5 or 6 catches per match, around an extra 100 points. The same applies for Parisse who appart from being one of the most completes nº8 is the italian main catcher. H e doesn't perform so well in other fantasy games.
But the scoring system of Foxsport is very complete and it would be very strange that a good performance wouldn't be rewarded with a big amount of points:
Action
Points
Playing 1 - 60 minutes1
Props that play more than 60 minutes4
Hookers, locks and backrowers that play more than 61 minutes3
All other positions playing more than 61 minutes2
For each try scored by a prop or hooker15
For each try scored by a lock or backrower12
For each try scored by a scrum-half, fly-half, centre or outside back10
For each try assist5
For each try save5
For each conversion2
For each conversion miss-1
For each penalty goal3
For each penalty miss-1
For each drop goal3
For each drop goal miss-1
Yellow card-5
Red card-15
For each run1
For each tackle bust2
For each offload1
For each linebreak5
For each linebreak creates3
For each error-3
For each tackle made by a prop or hooker2
For each tackle made by all other positions1
For each tackle miss-2
For each lineout take on own throw1
For each lineout steal on opposition throw4
For each lineout error, includes not straight, throw error or jump error-3
For each tight head won, awarded to entire front row7
For each tight head lost, awarded to entire front row-3
For each pilfer4
For each turn over forced3
For each penalty - long arm-4
Evverythng is included. The only thing that i would change is to include the "Metres gained" instead of or alongside "runs".
But as it's pointed above it's all about adapting to the scoring system