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Siya Kolisi shouldn't be starting for the Stormers....

Started by Mozart7 REPLIES792 VIEWS· 28 May 2018, 13:47
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 May 2018, 13:47
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28 May 2018, 13:47#1
....and I'm not being facetious. The man has had an awful Super season so far. And his history in tests is spotty, strong games against weaker competition....weak performances against the top teams. He is on the small side for a test flank, players his size are usually fetchers. He isn't. Nor is he a strong defender....his best attribute is open field ball carrying. That leaves a lot of bases uncovered. I suppose there is some hope when he pulls on the Bok jumper Clark Kent gets transformed into the Black Panther....but is that our only strategy now.....hope? For all the praise being lavished on Erasmus Head his vast squad is filled with obvious choices, many of whom should have been discarded for others who at least haven't yet proven they aren't test class. The neat touch of having a POC in every position is also so obvious. A political animal in mid season form.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 May 2018, 14:20
#2
28 May 2018, 14:20#2

The Stormers has to real loosies Van Dyk and Wiese - but they rarely use them together.  The other loosies are all crap and Kolisi is no better than Carr and Notshe.

That is one of the main reasons for their poor showing in Super Rugby.

So I agree with you about that one.   . . 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 May 2018, 19:35
#3
28 May 2018, 19:35#3

The whole situation is totally frot. Rassie has probably done himself no favours. Should he succeed even moderately it would prove he is a rugby genius of unmatched talent such are the odds against hi m!

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 May 2018, 20:03
#4
28 May 2018, 20:03#4

It's friggin hilarious that our government failed so poorly at simply introducing rugby at school level that they have to enforce quotas.

Like there is some white conspiracy to keep players of color out of teams. Like a black kid turns up at Rover Rugby club in Welkom and no matter h ow hard he works the coach just won't him.

Seriously, give me tiny budget and one assistant and I'll introduce every school in Gauteng to rugby in a month. 

Use rugby playing high school final year students as coaches and have some deal with universities that the coaches get a small discount on university fees.

Maybe it might also help kids at underprivileged schools see that the average 18 year old white kid is not the apartheid nazi that Malema and BLF would like them to believe he is.

The funniest of all is that most white kids in matric will happily do the coaching for free. 

When school kids are more willing to build a better nation than our politicians are then we know we're in troubs.


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kingcornPro3,695 posts
28 May 2018, 21:17
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28 May 2018, 21:17#5
I have been following kolisi from under 21 for wp and he has Always been an attacking flanker, but I ask myself this question. Is he the best or one of the best in the world, NO. You have Sam Kane, Ardie Savea, hooper, Pocock, Kremer who will all mop the floor with him. Unfortunately our loose forward stocks has been depleted due to political choices. At first it started on the wings where we could at least use some speed. Gone are the days of having an1.94 cm wing competing against the likes of Savea and Naholo. The next phase was to target the back row, now we are stuck we loose forwards that are barely 180 cm or over a 100 kg. We use to have guys like Andre Venter who was a true work horse, AJ Venter, Ruben Kruger. We always had good loosies. So if you take the backn3 and your loose forwards, that is already 6. Not to mention the props and hookers. Rugby is a size game unfortunately. There is room for the odd small guy in the team but not 6. So when our coaches that other teams are getting bigger, what they are try to say is because of quotas, our players are smaller and therefore we will have to play "expansive". We can easily put a world beating team together but unfortunately our African brothers simply don't have the size to compete.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 May 2018, 22:40
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28 May 2018, 22:40#6
Corn I believe the team could have a second tier player, who is a great leader. Whiteley fits that description, although he can be brilliant near the opposition try line. But what indication do we really have that Kolisi is an 'inspirational' leader as we are being told. Has he rallied his Stormer troups in close games...changed tactics on the fly? I see nothing to suggest he is an extraordinary captain, a real leader of men. When you look at his dodgy form and how on Saturday the Stormers played better, sans captain and sans Rhule the whole thing just adds to the general feeling of Bok rugby being screwed.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 May 2018, 04:18
#7
29 May 2018, 04:18#7

Mozart

I took a look at the info on Kolisi.   He is 1,88 meter tall and weighs 105 kg.   That is about the same size  as Hooper  -  but since he makes no contribution to breakdown ball protection and recovery - he is no Hooper.  For the rest he is a small guy.   The average height of loosies nowadays are 1,92 to 1,94 and weighs between 110 and 116 kgs, 

He played in 28 tests and he scored 4 tries only - 3 against Argentina and 1 against France.

He played in 60 Super Rugby games and scored 5 tries

He has a very low tackle count and routinely miss tackles against physically bigger p layers.

On the whole he is not a satisfactory loosie and the gift to him is indeed questionable.     On the whole he is bound to contribute to weakening if the Springbok and Stormers sides by being a non-productive loosie.

In the case of the Stormers - even though he is the titular captain - he does not contribute leadership in the team - the organization of the forwards are handled by Etzebeth or Du Toit  the backline is handled by De Allende.   

One can never read what Erasmus really has in mind here - a logical rugby decision it definitely was not - since he by some distance is not the best openside loosie in SA..     

      

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
29 May 2018, 05:05
#8
29 May 2018, 05:05#8

Rassie has shown himself up as a BS artist going by the spin he's rolling out to justify Kolisi's selection as Bok skipper. He only has himself to blame, he made the decision no-one else and to lay the blame on his circumstances is more BS. Said we should give him a fair shake but that  goes out the window now that he's insulted the intelligence of Bok fans.

Kolisi is no captain, nice enough fella but he has zero leadership skills. On current form he should not even be in the squad.

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