Slowest back in Super rugby

André lacks acceleration. He is definitely not fast, but in my opinion he is fast enough. The best inside centres of the past twenty years haven't been especially quick. His strength to be able to manhandle any player from 1 to 15 makes him a viable option as a flank. I didn't watch any Super rugby in 2016 or 2017, and only a few games from 2018, but what I have heard is that his stint in Japan was the turning point in his career, and it was that experience which gave him the capacity to stake a claim at test level after an excellent Super rugby campaign. 

Snailing along and clumsy is what applies to Esterhuizen as well - that takes the cake here.LMAO

No cake for you I'm afraid. Doktor Auge has issued a strict diet for you. This year we must also lower your intake of crow and eggs. It'll be a challenge, but by G-d's grace, we may pull through. 

Are you eating away of the egg mountain covering you already or di you thing further eggs should b e added to that mountain?   I do not think further additions to that mountain is necessary,   

Please god no, don't add further effs to the eff mountain. Who can stomach such an eff-ing spectacle.

Pakie

Stop being a c u n t.  I made two typing errors and you go off on your usual BS track - no rugby comments and making a total fool of yourself.

How about a photo  from a stupid angle not showing what actually happened and themn making deductions which were total BS,  Try that one again.   

You take yourself so seriously ou Mike. Lighten up.

As to no rugby comments? Now let's see. Here are your 5 contributions to a thread elsewhere on the board. Five repetitive personal attacks in a row, not one rugby comment. Clean your own house first, nê?

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Silly Billy

You are onto your very own stupidity level again - go and see your shrink - you are in desperate need for help.   I know there is no cure for idiocy - but some stupid pills would keep you out of looney bins.    

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SB

Does the brain op with a hammer and chisel by a plumber applies to both Silly Billy and Ceradunce - I assume it was in both cases.   Did the plumber have available a microscope to find the brain of the two?   Would be very difficult to find it otherwise

Just to start a thread like this one is as Dave put it "what a load of crap".    

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Silly Billy

"Radical out of position selections that might work"

The mere examples quoted by you indicated that you are suffering from total rugby ignorance.   One would have taken that  realistic assessment of the players physical abilities and his capabilities would be the topic discussed - but that is way beyond your knowledge of the game and of the players concerned.  

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It is not worth discussing -- domkop

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No - starting dumb threads like this one represents sheer idiocy. 

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Well put, BlueBok ... Steyn has never really impressed apart from his stint in 2007 ... and the only reason he did then was because of the massive occasion he found himself in.

Esterhuizer is as average as they come. All I can say is that I'm very pleased this bozo isn't a part of the Lions squad 

Blue, Moffie doesn't seem to know if he rates Esterhuizen or not. Note the date of the original article. Moffie has since changed his tune and he's now calling for Esterhuizen to start . . . even though he thinks he's a "snail".

For what it's worth, I've always rated Andre Esterhuizen as a very good player and I've never considered him to be slow. Not sure he'll ever be an international star but there's no doubt he's among the best we have at the moment.

I re-posted this after Moffie called Esterhuizen a viable option to start for the Springboks without ever acknowledging he was completely wrong about his supposed lack of pace. From what I can gather, Moffie (and by association, his Servile Gimps as well) are saying he's still a "snail" but they'd pick the snail anyway . . . even if lumbering props "fly by him" . . . which makes me question their understanding of backline play.

Blue, Frans is the best 12 the Boks have ever produced. The complete centre. They have a very different temperament and presence on the field. This was a player that outright dominated opponents. Both very strong, but Frans was the better overall package by far. 

"Blue, Frans is the best 12 the Boks have ever produced. The complete centre. They have a very different temperament and presence on the field. This was a player that outright dominated opponents. Both very strong, but Frans was the better overall package by far. "

He was good, but his best position was 15. Go check the stats with him as 15 for the Boks.

PS, best Bok 12 ever????? Card, I don't want to re-start an old argument over this again, but that's a BS statement.

From 15 Frans had mediocre defence stats and was at best average on attack. There isn't one standout test from 15.

His stats at Super rugby level at 10 were unbelievable, though I didn't believe he was a pure 10.

His performances at 12 and 13 far surpass his performances at any other position. He changed the way teams approached his team. We've never had a 12 who opened the game up like him, nor have we ever had a 12 who combined physicality with skills like him. He had a variety of passes, great offload and solid boot. His defence and organisational skills were world class. No other South African 12 from any era comes close to Frans.

It would be a fools errand to try and prove otherwise. It can't be done. His critics are testament to that fact. 

Mozart

Your claim about Esterhuizen having improved his skill set us unfortunately not supported by facts,   For example his defense is questionable with a low tackle count  and a higher than acceptable missed tackle ratio.    He made in four tests 2  good line breaks, but he lost possession after both breaks and there was no real advantage from the breaks.

You are of course entitled to your opinion on the issue - but as far as I am concerned I frankly do not believe that the factual situation does not support your comments in the relevant regard.              

Silly Billy  - the fact twister

You make a wild and totally fact-deficient  statement about Frans Steyn  that he did classy things at 12 and 13, but is pure an utter BS.  Steyn was the worst center in Super Rugby for three years running  from 2013 to 2015.   His really top  class coach - Plumtree - said he was NO center and that was based on facts - not fiction.

Now back to present time - after trying out Steyn at center since 2016 his present club came to the same conclusion as Plumtree and he now plays at full back for Montpellier.     

Oh, another joker card: "...low tackle count".

Why would teams concentrate their attacks down his channel? Show me where André shirked defensive duties. I dare you! As per turnovers of possession? Why don't you ask Saffy what the "class act" Kolisi was doing when he and the likes of Notsche allowed Pocock free reign over the ball? You miss too many details to be taken seriously. Far too many. 

Frans has never been the worst centre in any team or tournament he has participated in. This is the funny part, and this is where Plumtree made a bit of a boob of himself: He cycles through several players at 12, and Frans outplays each and everyone of them. Plumtree then returns to Frans. 

However, we are talking of the same Plumtree who took the best team in Super rugby and reduced them to also rans in one season. You only rate Plumtree because he apparently didn't rate Frans. That's your only crumb of an argument against him. Desperate stuff from Dame Lügnerin! 

He made in four tests 2  good line breaks, but he lost possession after both breaks and there was no real advantage from the breaks.

A lie. You can see one of his breaks at minute 14:46 of the video Auge loaded the other day. He lays the ball back perfectly and the Boks get quick possession from the tackle/ruck.

You mean the Welsh got the ball and counter-attacked,    It happened twice when he made appreciable meters in territory.   There was one carry where he made abput ten meters where th ball was NOT lost.  

Silly Billy 

Why did De Allende made 42 tackles and missed 4 tackles in four tests and  in four tests  Esterhuizen made 20 and missed 5?   

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Why don't you take the entire season's stats for both players, Mike?

De Allende 79 tackle attempts at 84% success and 10.3 tackle attempts per game.

Esterhuizen 46 tackle attempts at 80% success with 9.6 tackle attempts per game.

Then take into account that Esterhuizen only played the last 20 minutes in the final England test. If you discard that and only take the tests both players started:

Esterhuizen 42 tackle attempts at 83% success with 9.2 attempts per game.

Barely anything in it, with or without the adjustment. But nice attempt to cherry pick the stats that favor your man while ignoring the rest.

But Pakie, if you factor the win André lost in Brisbane, South Africa, his best defensive performance is irrelevant, thus giving Damian a distinct advantage.

Alucard  ............... hope you're back at RWC time

Hahahahahaha very funny thread. 

The Mozzzzquito getting himself in a right tangle once again! 

Card, tbe Organfuffer, Deus etc etc etc  should have recovered by RWC but could come back under another name. History tends to repeat itself.