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So individual players don’t win tests?

Started by Mozart12 REPLIES682 VIEWS· 16 Oct 2023, 15:31
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Oct 2023, 15:31
#1
16 Oct 2023, 15:31#1

When in the past I have pointed out that specific individuals are not correlated with Bok  success I have been told it’s a team game. So why worry about selections then? Yesterday was the perfect example.


Here are some match stats:


Possession…. France 60%/Boks 40%


Territory….France 63%/ Boks 37%


Metres…France 524/ Boks 424


Defenders beaten France 43/ Boks 12


Clean Breaks France 13/Boks 6


…….


Those aren’t stats delivered  by a winning team or a successful strategy. They are way worse than the stats against Ireland. France lost because they never kept their composure as Ireland did. And because  in this knockout game a few Springboks just refused to lose.


Our tactics weren’t novel. It was the box kick with a twist, send it to the wings and have Dud Toit support the jump. It worked but it could easily have worked in favor of the French….it’s risky. Beyond that we had a few tricks, the Kolbe drop, the mark/scrum, the tap penalty. All tactically justifiable, although the timing of the drop/scrum was rolling the dice.


Tactics aren’t a game strategy though, as demonstrated in our statistical gap to France. In fairness though regular strategies….scrum penalties/maul tries weren’t working.


We were also desperately slow to anticipate the rolling French kicks. Why wasn’t Willemse repositioned when the Frogs had the ball to cover this eventuality.


In all we were outplayed barring about 5 instances. Etzebeth insisting he was going to score. Arendse capitalizing on the bounce of the ball. Kriel’s properly weighted grubber and Kolbe’s pace. Kolbe’s charge down. The Dud Allende try resulting from another favorable bounce. And crucially, Pollard’s ability to sink a 53 meter kick under extreme pressure.


These and a few others were the players who refused to lose….Etzebeth, Kwagga, Kolbe, Kriel and Pollard. They overcame a losing team effort to wrest the game away from a very good French team. Others played their parts, but absent any one of those players we lose the Quarter.


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Oct 2023, 15:39
#2
16 Oct 2023, 15:39#2

"And crucially, Pollard’s ability to sink a 53 meter kick under extreme pressure."

Made possible by Deon Fourie's brilliant work over the ball to force the penalty.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Oct 2023, 15:45
#3
16 Oct 2023, 15:45#3

Fair point. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Oct 2023, 15:52
#4
16 Oct 2023, 15:52#4

Sorry, I think it might have been Kwagga, but Deon also did some great work...it's a team effort, but certain individual performances stand out and change the course of a match...the Frogs kicking directly into touch from their 22 kick in...and that horrible penalty clearance that actually went backwards...Frogs made a couple of brainfarts...pressure...

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Oct 2023, 16:03
#5
16 Oct 2023, 16:03#5

Yes….I don’t think the Poms will fold as badly, but their talent isn’t as great. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Oct 2023, 16:38
#6
16 Oct 2023, 16:38#6

Eben had a hand in all 4 tries...or the play leading up to the tries...I think it's the best match I ever saw him play.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Oct 2023, 16:44
#7
16 Oct 2023, 16:44#7

If we win the WC it will be hard to deny him the player of  the Year….greatest lock ever in my view.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Oct 2023, 16:50
#8
16 Oct 2023, 16:50#8
Agreed Moz how the hell he was not even nominated last year is beyond me When he retires the hole he will leave will be massive Definitely the best lock I have ever seen
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,222 posts
16 Oct 2023, 16:51
#9
16 Oct 2023, 16:51#9
That amazing turnover by Vermuelen was also a critical part of the game in the first quarter when it seemed like France was going to run away with the game.






BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Oct 2023, 17:58
#10
16 Oct 2023, 17:58#10

The French had a lot of possession gifted to them by the Boks. Running into a tough defensive team took it's toll on the French as those sights o f various French players cramping etc. 

Eben is an all time great in the mould the Great Bakkies Botha.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Oct 2023, 18:01
#11
16 Oct 2023, 18:01#11

Individual players can ad value in players who are outstanding in performance can win tests b ut without a tream that back them up and support their efforts tests will never be won.         

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Oct 2023, 18:17
#12
16 Oct 2023, 18:17#12

Bok comradery when things get tough vs Dan,  Owen or Johnny yelling and swearing at refs or team mates...maybe a bit unfair to group Sexton in as well, but. he's been guilty of it too ...Biggar yelling "holding on" repeatedly before the one Argie try was appalling ...

Love the way you can see the Bokke playing for each other and the team,  yet humble enough to console the French players after the match ...and Eben apologizing to the player after receiving the yellow...you could see it was a real heartfelt apology...this is a great bunch of players with lots of character  ...really hope they can sort the Poms and go all the way and Beat NZ in the final....tall ask, but they have it in them.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
16 Oct 2023, 20:32
#13
16 Oct 2023, 20:32#13

Matfield is going to be pissed off with you guys once he reads these comments.

The thought of locks like Classens, Du Preez, Pickard and a few others even being considered but in truth Frik was a monster of a lock and performed admirably for both Northern Transvaal and the Springboks.

But how soon we forget the oldies.

Eben is certainly one if not the best of all time.


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