So Wakefield is going to....

have an Indaba with Fleck and Smal re the Stormers dismal performance in Super Rugby. Wakefield's hand has been forced because of an empty Newland's stand. 

Quite frankly it was inevitable that fans would not follow a never ending losing culture.....that much is obvious. I don't quite understand why it's taken so long for the Stormers to be left floundering when their management, including Wakefield, Smal and Fleck are plain bloody useless.

The Stormers persistence with midgets, forced quotas, clueless coaching and inept leadership at the top was always a recipe for disaster.

Agreed 

Mozart

Wilco has not been up to standard in recent games and that represents a serious problem for the Stormers.  

Nonsense, Mike ... Wilco is a class act and will walk the Bok 3 jersey without any effort.

To think that you had the useless "Tank" Du Toit as the Bok tighthead really had me in hysterics yesterday.

How clueless are you actually?

The Stormers are been lead by a clueless moron. Fleck has done a lot of harm and should never have been appointed over Eddie Jones or Mitchell. How stupid can you get?

CC

Louw was not effective in scrumming in the last few gmaes and he furthermore is a low production player outside of scrumming.  Unless the two aspects improve he will not last as a class act.

I never decide anything on prejudice - I look what happens on the field of play and for a prop his effectiveness is determined by he two issues I listed.   In his recent games Du Touit was superior to Louw.  

It's a case of the blind leading the blind which is plain to see going by the results.

That's what I saw, Mozart. He was all over the place and seemed to be getting stronger as the match progressed.

Tank Du Toit is as useless as they come as a tight head ... and to be honest ... not much better on the loosehead side.

Van Rooyen scrummed him into the ground the last time they met ... and the time before that, when he played as a loosehead, Dreyer folded him double. 

How Mike figures he's Bok material is totally beyond me. Then again ... he thinks Lood, De Allende and Kriel are all top international test match players.

What next ... Kolisi is the go to guy as an openside flank?

Mozart

Scrumming is where he came short in the past few matches.   He was more often static or going backwards in the process.   Even Smith contained him in that Department,   Sorry - but quotes and  stats do not impress me at all..  

The Sharks played the Hurricanes and Du Toit was better in scrumming and a damn site better in ball carries than Louw was.       

Maaik, you're barking up the wrong yree re Wilco. He is streets ahead of any other 3 in the country.  In fact, not many in the world ahead of him...and as tight-heads go, at 23 he is still but a pup...or should that be a cub?

Moz, it's inevitable that there will be some hickups here and there, even Kitsie struggled a bit, but Wilco has basically dominated every opponent for 2 years now. Best new prospect in years...and he is still a laaitie.