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So Wales puts 40 points on the Poms

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Mar 2021, 04:28
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06 Mar 2021, 04:28#1

.....8 more than the Boks in the WC final. As the commentator said the core of the English team still mimics their WC team...and they are hardly formidable. How bad was Daly blowing two tries. Vunipola looks like Stampkar these days, going down in the first tackle. And the myth of May’s pace, which should have been history when he couldn’t gas the NZ blindsider a few years back....was finally exposed by Rees-Dammit er Zammit.


Admittedly though the two French match officials not seeing the Welsh knock on in the second try was hilarious.


Two teams with only counter attack in their arsenal....much like the Boks. 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Mar 2021, 14:08
#2
06 Mar 2021, 14:08#2

At least the Springboks now have counter-attack in their arsenal -under Meyer and Coetzee they had zero attack in their arsenal.     

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Mar 2021, 15:54
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06 Mar 2021, 15:54#3
Well we all know that the score should have been 14 less than that 40, making it 26 The fact that the ref has conceded he made the mistakes leading to those two Welsh tries kind of confirms it all There was nothing convincing about that Welsh win over the Poms
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
06 Mar 2021, 16:31
#4
06 Mar 2021, 16:31#4

The current English team is at the moment not preforming at the level they where playing at during the 2019 World Cup.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Mar 2021, 16:44
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06 Mar 2021, 16:44#5

The problem we have here is rugby noobs who think that a poor performance from a team on the day is the measure of that team for the last few seasons.

Wales have ridden their luck in all their games so far but for all their critics, they've got the job done every time and are Triple Crown champions with a decent shot at winnng the Grand Slam.

Cymru am byth!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Mar 2021, 18:06
#6
06 Mar 2021, 18:06#6

‘What we have here IS rugby noobs’.....horrible grammar Rooipeepie. Up your game you Welsh cave troll.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Mar 2021, 20:14
#7
06 Mar 2021, 20:14#7

It wasn't the RWC final.

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sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
06 Mar 2021, 21:46
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06 Mar 2021, 21:46#8
England beat the All Blacks comprehensively in the world cup semi, albeit this is not the same All Blacks of the last 20 years.
There is solid depth amongst the top 6 test teams, who could beat each other on their day. So England is playing some good teams in the 6 nations. 
Other than the Boks and the All Blacks, the 6 nations contain the best teams in the world. France, England, Ireland, Wales are all very good teams.  Australia has been poor for so long they are no longer in the top 6 in the world. Scotland could maybe beat Australia on a neutral ground. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Mar 2021, 22:21
#9
06 Mar 2021, 22:21#9
That AB side is as good as any in the past The rest of the world has narrowed the gap somewhat
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Mar 2021, 03:05
#10
07 Mar 2021, 03:05#10

Lügnerin, the Josè Boks are regressed from previous Bok iterations. Attack output under Coetzee was markedly higher. Please don't part your tongue anymore. Thanking you in advance. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Mar 2021, 07:06
#11
07 Mar 2021, 07:06#11

Foeitog the Kindergarten moron  is back,   It is amazing - he does not  understand stats and effectiveness of attacks in rugby and why effectiveness in the main result in scoring of TRIES,   Until he understand the game his comments are so stupid one can only laugh at it,.       

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Mar 2021, 11:52
#12
07 Mar 2021, 11:52#12
Attack under Coetzee was higher bwhaaaahaaaa You are a clueless tonic
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Mar 2021, 18:55
#13
07 Mar 2021, 18:55#13

Bok centre play died under Erasmus......or rather it regressed.....to old fashioned crash ball, exactly what fans claimed they wanted gone.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Mar 2021, 19:23
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07 Mar 2021, 19:23#14
Show me a recent international centre that is afforded the space to attack space on a regular basis and who rips defences apart by beating his man one on one. Moz you just don’t get modern rugby at all. You are stuck in a time warp Prove me wrong - name a present test centre that is doing anything different to the Bok centres
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
07 Mar 2021, 21:05
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07 Mar 2021, 21:05#15
Mozart, presumably Rooi originally had “the problem we have here are” and has since corrected it? “The problem we have here is” is correct of course.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Mar 2021, 21:11
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07 Mar 2021, 21:11#16
Moolaa should you not be milking the cows?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Mar 2021, 21:13
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07 Mar 2021, 21:13#17

Your pet hate Slade carved through the Wallies on Saturday.....37 metres in 7 carries. Redpath against England 31 metres in 5 carries....2 defenders beaten.

Most of these NH centres are looking for breaks, looking to offload,....looking to not die with the ball....like Dud.

If you want to play Erasmus rugby you might as well have a Stampkar equivalent at 12. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Mar 2021, 22:04
#18
07 Mar 2021, 22:04#18
What utter rubbish Slade did nothing of the sort, he was anonymous and got run over with ease at one point as he regularly does, confirming yet again what a test liability he is. Redpath and Slade’s stats are common for modern test centres but neither stood out at all Those stats mirror our centres in the WC knockout stages and final which is far more cut throat than a 6N game In the final De Allende had 12 runs gained 56m making 1 clean break and beat 1 defender Am had 5 runs gained 56m making 3 clean breaks and beating 3 defenders Against Wales in the semi De Allende had 11 runs gained 44m with no clean breaks but beating 3 defenders Am had 2 runs gained 17m with one clean break and one defender beaten Against Scotland Slade beat no defenders and against Wales he only beat one defender You are easy pickings Moz
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Mar 2021, 04:44
#19
08 Mar 2021, 04:44#19

Er Dave, Slade’s defence isn’t being discussed, it’s his ability to break and offload. 

Of  course Dud had no clean breaks against Wales.....he runs into defenders not around them. Fortunately in the case of the Wallies he ran into Biggar who attempted to strip rather than  putting the man down.

Hell  take his performance against Japan....9 runs for 24 metres....4 defenders beaten but 3 turnovers conceded. That with a feast of fabulous ball.

You are the easiest pickings Dave.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Mar 2021, 13:05
#20
08 Mar 2021, 13:05#20
No Moz you are wrong, Slade was as ordinary as he always is. His stats are amongst the worst on display - the guy can’t beat defenders Trust you to pick him as an example, you should have done more research de Allende scored a powerhouse try against Wales winning the game for us - case closed on his performance against Wales - enough said But the real point here is this. Your take on modern centres is absolute rubbish evidenced by the fact that you can’t provide evidence of a test centre that regularly out shines the others by gaining all those metres, making all those breaks and beating all those defenders while attacking space - such a centre does not exist because modern rugby dictates that space hardly exists and much of centre play involves taking contact, which is why de Allende is so damn good and vital to the Bok cause He is the best 12 in the game right now thanks to his freakish power and ability to attack when the opportunity presents itself Our centres set the standard, de Allende and Am are the best centre combination out there and the Boks scored more tries than any other side in the WC, so your theory on our attack and our centres is rubbish
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Mar 2021, 16:51
#21
08 Mar 2021, 16:51#21

Sure Dave that’s why he is playing off the Munster bench in a crucial game and making no impact. Maybe they were afraid Aki was going to take him apart...hahaha.


Van Graan summoned Kevin O’Byrne, Jean Kleyn, Damian de Allende and Joey Carbery from the bench but it was Mike Haley who produced a wonderful virtuoso moment; he caught a high ball, fended off Dave Heffernan, chipped over Tiernan O’Halloran and re-gathered to cross for a try. Carbery added the conversion to make it 17-10.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Mar 2021, 17:38
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08 Mar 2021, 17:38#22
Nice one Moz trust you to cock it up again Crucial game in the Pro 14 - well yes it was a crucial game for the Munster B side. One only needs to look at the team sheet to realise the no names in the starting 15 Moz the Irish and Welsh sides seldom play their first choice players in the Pro 14, it’s been well documented and part of the reason I can’t get excited about our Super rugby sides competing in the Pro 14. The well known names in that side are the ones on the bench - de Allende, Jean Kleyn and Joey Carbery. Nice try Moz - give it up bud, just admit you got it wrong about our centres. They lead the pack of modern day centres, where the opportunities to shine and attack space are very very limited Just curious - having not watched the game how do you conclude that de Allende made no impact in the game off the bench?
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Mar 2021, 20:55
#23
08 Mar 2021, 20:55#23

I drove the final nail through the Damian bandwagon years ago, do keep up Saffy. There is nothing in Damian's body of work that could vaguely infer that he is even test quality at a very basic level, much less a global leader in anything. He is never and will never be good centre. He has never been a good centre. He should be a leader, a veteran that youngsters can lean on; he is instead a liability. Your calls at centre have been embarrassing. Nothing has stuck. Zero. I suppose it doesn't help if one never played centre, but rather prop. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Mar 2021, 21:11
#24
08 Mar 2021, 21:11#24
Dumbfuck you couldn’t drive a nail through your own foot No one gives a shit about what you have to say
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Mar 2021, 22:24
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08 Mar 2021, 22:24#25
You speak for all of humanity now do you? What was that word you dropped like a cold, stale pie in your past posts? Would it be "arrogance"? You must have been a class act prop in your day, eh? 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Mar 2021, 23:22
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08 Mar 2021, 23:22#26
No I just speak for those on here. No one reads your shit and you are one boring twat
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2021, 00:30
#27
09 Mar 2021, 00:30#27

Well this kind of convinced me he had little impact:


D AllendeR01100000



On the park for 23 minutes he manages 1 run for zero metres....no defenders beaten. Standard Dud stuff....no wonder he is warming a club bench.
Utterly useless.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Mar 2021, 01:46
#28
09 Mar 2021, 01:46#28
Oh what bullshit his stats are on par with any test centre out there but what makes him better than the rest is his sheer power. Most of the metres he gains are in traffic carrying defenders - just ask Ford and Biggar He is the best 12 in the game right now He showed that in the WC What part of Munster fielding their B side in the Pro 14 did you miss? Warming the bench my arse. Go do a google search on de Allende’s time at Munster and how much they love him there and how effective he has been
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Mar 2021, 04:53
#29
09 Mar 2021, 04:53#29

Mart 

What match are you referring to with those stats?    You try to falsufy the stats of De Akkede in the WC - so one would like to know what happened here,   I watched a lot of games of Munster recently and in the crucial matches he always started.  Against weaker teams he is no in the team or on the bench,  or if on the bench  play  fir very short periods. 

You have made a total fool of yourself on  the CJ Stander issue and in the case of De Allende you show total rugby ignorance based on prejudice.  

By the way dud head did De Allende not score the only try against Wales in the semi after beating three defenders -  on that you are caught out as per normal.    And that happened after Le Roux fouled up two real try-scoring opportunities in the Wales test - and he emphasis is on real and not the one dreamed  up by you in the final.            

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2021, 05:16
#30
09 Mar 2021, 05:16#30

‘You try to falsufy the stats of De Akkede in the WC’....Tokkie in an elevator going down. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2021, 05:20
#31
09 Mar 2021, 05:20#31

Dave you asked me to prove Dud had no real influence on the game....I showed you in 23 minutes he made one run for no metres. Game set and match.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Mar 2021, 08:30
#32
09 Mar 2021, 08:30#32

You tried to reduce the distance of ball carries by De Allende by 20 points every imagined by you mistake he made,     That was a large topic of discussion at the time and was discarded as urtter rubbish you dreamt up.    

For the ret you lied continuously about your pet hate players  - so you should take  the heat when exposed.  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Mar 2021, 10:41
#33
09 Mar 2021, 10:41#33
Well Moz if we relied on stats alone I’d concede but given you did not even watch the game your game set and match is a joke But let’s forget 20min off the bench and get back to the point. The point being that you informed us that centre play under Rassie had regressed when in fact both the stats and observations of the games prove quite the opposite. In a cut throat WC our centres stats showed metres gained, clean breaks made and defenders beaten. We know from watching the games our centres were outstanding on attack, de Allende winning us the game in the semi with his physical try and Am setting up that great first try in the final I also proved that no test centre out there stood above ours and I keep telling you that you need to stop judging modern day centres based on the Danie Gerber days. Modern day test rugby is far more scientific, structured and physically driven than it was back then. Space is a massive luxury, centres spend most their game operating in traffic, grabbing the odd attacking moment when presented It’s the very reason virtually every test side fails to knuckle down a centre pair, for its so damn hard for a centre to stand out week after week when opportunities seldom present themselves Hell if anything de Allende is the one centre who finds himself picked test after test - I wonder why that is? Will Greenwood was spot on - you stop de Allende you stop the Boks
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Mar 2021, 12:29
#34
09 Mar 2021, 12:29#34

Dave 

Forget about saving Mozart from his embarrassing prejudiced BS stories.    He writes false and fake descriptions of incidents that never happened in games and then say they were the truth,     This has been going on for near to a decade  now - so he will not change.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Mar 2021, 12:50
#35
09 Mar 2021, 12:50#35
I know but it’s rewarding teaching Moz - he is never to old to learn The Boks results speak for themselves, you don’t move from 7 to 1, win the RC and WC with an utterly useless inside centre Virtually impossible given the importance of the position in a side de Allende is the best 12 in the game right now
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2021, 17:14
#36
09 Mar 2021, 17:14#36

Dave you are bogged down in NH rugby.....crash for a metre, reset.....hope for a penalty, kick to a corner, hope for a mauling try.

Boring......turgid rugby. Rugby you call modern. The kind of rugby Erasmus adopted. But not all SH teams play that rubbish. Read and learn:


‘The four teams in the Rugby Championship provided a game average of 24.7 clean breaks and 50.7 defenders beaten in the 2019 iteration, more than the Six Nations in its respective tournament. Indeed, there were nearly seven more clean breaks per game in The Rugby Championship 2019 than there were in Six Nations 2019 despite there being more carries per game in the northern hemisphere tournament.’

Here is another bit of proof. Offloads.....not one Springbok makes the top 10 list, in spite of playing every round:


OFFLOADS MADE – PLAYER

1 Leone Nakarawa (Fiji) – 12

2 Max Medard (France) – 7

3 AJ MacGinty (USA) – 6

4 Jake Polledri (Italy) – 6

5 Keith Earls (Ireland) – 6

6 Gela Aprasidze (Georgia) – 6

7 Elliot Daly (England) – 6

8 Finn Russell (Scotland) – 6

9 Siale Piutau (Tonga) – 6

10 Virimi Vakatawa (France) – 5

We are playing narrow, dead-head rugby with excellent execution. And in a WC format that works. But it’s not inspiring and it will be eclipsed by others using a full bag of tools.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Mar 2021, 17:48
#37
09 Mar 2021, 17:48#37

Boks are still the World Champions though...

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2021, 18:23
#38
09 Mar 2021, 18:23#38

Absolutely....Erasmus and Nienaber fixed our defence. I have said for years the Boks would be very hard to beat if we got our defence right.


But to be a great team, a team the world admires....we need to show more. It’s not that hard....the Bargies and the lowly Italians know how to breach a defensive line with offloads. We could too with more imaginative coaching.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Mar 2021, 21:12
#39
09 Mar 2021, 21:12#39
Oh what rubbish, we have all been watching the RC for years and while it’s more fee flowing it does not detract from the fact that centres operate mostly in traffic not space The centres stats in the RC vs 6N will be marginally better but nothing earth shattering And it’s those very side in the SH, namely the AB’s and Aussies that never settle on a centre pair for extended periods I watch far more SH rugby than I do NH Your take on the Boks is utter rubbish - we had the best defence in the WC and we had the best attacking stats, scoring the most tries - remember that great Billy Beaumont article which placed the Boks at the top of all the stats I mean what more could you ask for winning a WC final 32-12, that is just unprecedented. WC finals are meant to be low scoring tight affairs. We did not beat England, we thrashed them thanks to Rassie Case closed yet again
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Mar 2021, 21:28
#40
09 Mar 2021, 21:28#40

"But to be a great team, a team the world admires....we need to show more. It’s not that hard...."

Indeed, I'm hoping for a great Lions tour for the Boks...to be followed by some other internationals...

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