So what is it going to take

For clueless Meyer to wake up to the fact that he is not going to challenge the best sides in the game with a side that will be averaging 30 by the WC.

We see week after week that players like Matfield, Bakkies, Steenkamp and Jean offer nothing of substance to the cause. We can dress Matfield up with line-out superiority when in fact his line-out work is no better than any other lock out there and the same can be said of his kick off takes. So what exactly does Matfield provide to the equation other than a physical liability......evidenced once again on Saturday when he was isolated with ball in hand and turned over for a penalty. What value does Matfield add over a young powerhouse lock like Willemse, who would add noticeable value to our efforts.

Same can be said of Bakkies coming off the bench, what value does he add, how can his selection on the bench be seen as progressive and a long term investment. We need energy and clout coming off the bench not an old man who spends most of his time huffing and puffing.

Steenkamp is doing what on tour, what is the point? Why not a young Schalk v/d Merwe or Thomas du Toit gaining valuable Bok experience.

When last did Jean look like he was going to threaten the opposition defences - what is the point of him being there. The result of his retention is playing Serfontein out of position at 13 for at least half a match and in the process, depriving a real 13 of cementing his place in the side.

The selections do not end here.......what value does Schalk bring, what value did Pienaar bring.......is it time to ask the same question of Habana and Jannie?

It was always on the cards that investment in players that have long past their prime was never going to reap rewards. Would losses to England and Wales facilitate the realisation that the current system is not working.

The poor performances earlier in the year and the dead rubber victory over NZ seemed to have covered the obvious cracks......what will it take for Meyer to realise he has his selections wrong as I have been maintaining for how long now?

We could not even beat a depleted Irish side, in fact we got thrashed

Rooi what makes things worse is that all his crocks are not available.......had Jaques Fourie and Pienaar been fit, they to would have been on board and will no doubt feature in the WC.

I would not be surprised to see Spies added to the mix as well, nothing is beyond Meyer and the class of 2007.

The man is clearly stuck in a time warp on many fronts  

Yes that would be the Serfontein who playing out of position at 13 beat 5 defenders and made 1 clean break having only received the ball 10 times......yes that one......compare those stats to Jean.

Hougaard passed the ball 62 times of which 59 were good passes, but that's beside the point, he is young and had a great game against Oz and NZ so one miss fire would hardly be grounds to get rid of a youngster.

Oupa should not have been there......that is another Meyer selection blunder.

JJ, Goosen and Lood had nothing to do with it..........they weren't playing you fool so why bring them up huh?

The best players against Ireland were the youngsters in Coetzee, Willie, Pollard, Serfontein and Etzebeth......get the picture?

You are as stupid as Meyer in thinking the geriatrics are the answers.....too stupid, too conservative.

As for Spies, yes I was a big fan in his day, but conceded some 2 years back he was done.........a point you conveniently omit as per usual

Actually Jean also only received the ball 10 times....and made more metres than Steppie.....schplott. It was also Jeans penetration that set up the go forward for our last try. Jean will be so much better if he doesn't have to hold Steppie's hand, shifting between 12 and 13.

Hougaard was our biggest failure....only you wont accept that.

Oupa is not HM's selection, get that through your dim brain.

JJ, Goosen and Lood are the players you want to turn to....players who have had their chances, and failed.

The best players against Ireland were the Beast, Jannie, Vi ctor, Etzebeth and Pollard. They all did their jobs. Coetzee lost the breakdown battle big time.

Spies was never anything after his mysterious disappearance from RWC07....but it never dawned on you because he fitted your physical model of what a number 8 should look like.

Any more dumb thoughts?

Bhwaaahaaaaahaaaaa........Matfield one of the best players against Ireland.....what a bloody joke.

Coetzee did not lose the breakdown battle, next you will be telling us his opposite number did a better job......Coetzee dominated physically......more than the likes of Louw or Schalk have ever done.

So Jean gained all of 9m more that Jan......but he only beat 1 defender and made 1 clean break, compared to Jan who beat 5 defenders, yes 5 defenders and made one clean break.........so Moffie would you still say Jean was the better centre on the day you stupid plank.

Yeah just go check JJ's highlights for 2013 and tell me a 13 since have fared better you dunce. So Lood has failed in 2 and a half tests has he........wow. Same can be said of Goosen.......how bloody ignorant of you to conclude a player has failed after a handful of outings.....but more to the point, they never played against Ireland you dunce.

But hey your take on passenger Matfield being one of our best players on Sat is priceless........fuck me you are clueless