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Some Data Points of SuperXV 2018

Started by sharkbok23 REPLIES749 VIEWS· 02 Jul 2018, 00:35
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,254 posts
02 Jul 2018, 00:35
#1
02 Jul 2018, 00:35#1

1. The Lions lost their first game against South African opposition in something like 3 years.

2 The Stormers and Bulls have lost every single away match this season. The Bulls after a solid mid-season run, have completely fallen apart and lost to Sunwolves. In fact, both the Stormers and Bulls have been unable to beat even the bottom feeder of SuperRugby. 

3. This season could be the first time a South African team has not won the South African conference. 

4. The South African backs have scored more tries this season- but the rolling maul has been rendered useless. 

5. Some players that have been useless in SuperRugby like Kitshoff played well for the Boks, while others looked even worse. (e.g AM's poor defence was hopelessly exposed).

6. After causing problems at the local pub, the Ackermans have become hell-bent on signing every Golden Lions player for Gloucester. The other UK teams have got into the act by signing other Lions players- such as Rohan leaving during the season.  The UK clubs clearly have no respect for a player in a contract- or at least a South African contract. 

7. Australia has improved slightly with fewer teams, but like South Africa, they do not have a team that can challenge for the title. 

8. The Auckland Blues are the only New Zealand team that is competitive for finishing last- despite years of different coaches.

9. Everyone wants to get rid of the conference system except the people that make the decisions.

10. Players have been tested out of position, and for the most part, have failed. 

11. Every South Africa scrumhalf in SuperXV has been poor- They are Curry Cup standard at best or pub team standard at worst. 

12. Most predictions by the fantasy statisticians have remained a myth with little relationship to reality. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jul 2018, 02:15
#2
02 Jul 2018, 02:15#2
13 The matches after the international break before the playoffs are a massive anticlimax.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Jul 2018, 02:41
#3
02 Jul 2018, 02:41#3
I agree the current format is pretty bad, especially the break during the international games and the resumption after. There is a growing chorus of decent, Read is the latest to add his voice of objection and he mainly complains about the conference system.
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Jul 2018, 06:29
#4
02 Jul 2018, 06:29#4

I agree with all of those points. Super rugby is boring. Super 12 was where it was at! Those were the days. Even though we sucked it was just more palatable.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jul 2018, 06:49
#5
02 Jul 2018, 06:49#5

Sure it is boring when in the USA and watching a few games only,   That applies to both Mozart and Lurker - who identified himself as a previous member using a variety of names in the past.  O nelieve this would be the last year we will have a June test break - that will be moved to July and Super Rugby will be completed in June.   

By the way - Kitshof was not useless in Super Rugby SB - get your facts correct be fore coming up with statements.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Jul 2018, 07:01
#6
02 Jul 2018, 07:01#6

Did I? Can you quote that? I said I have been viewing the forum for a long period of time. Why do you have to lie about me?

I don't live in America. Where did you see me write that??? ?? 

I don't watch all the games. I don't have to watch all the games. I watch all the games I want to watch and I don't enjoy Super XV like I enjoyed Super 12. Make a better product and I'll watch more of it. I'm entitled not to like something. Who do you think you are telling people they can't have an opinion? That  they are stupid. I've seen you always telling everyone how stupid they are and how much you know everything more than them. You make lots of threads with insulting titles belittling them. I know your kind. You like to bully others because you are insecure with yourself. Why else would you need to call yourself CLEVERmike. It's not my way to fight with people, but I don't think I'm being excessive here. 


CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
02 Jul 2018, 07:08
#7
02 Jul 2018, 07:08#7

Just get rid of the conference and a straight round robin where you play every other team once just like the Super 12. 

Its bloody simple but SA and Aus management dont want this as it means none or very few home games for them, they have to doctor the results so they can at least be involved in the quartefinals before being chucked out on their useless arses by the vastly superior Kiwi teams. 


Just look at the current standings, Kiwi teams are actually 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th meaning only one home quarter final to SA and none to Aus.

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Jul 2018, 07:51
#8
02 Jul 2018, 07:51#8

Why do you have to lie about me?

That is Mike's MO. Like he accuses me of doctoring screenshots when they expose his nonsense.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jul 2018, 08:21
#9
02 Jul 2018, 08:21#9

That guy writes the same junk he wrote previously and I did not say you doctor screenshots - I said you use angles that makes your deductions suspect and amounts to real nonsense on your part.   .     

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Jul 2018, 09:23
#10
02 Jul 2018, 09:23#10

Nope, you have directly accused me of doctoring screenshots. Just the other day in fact when we were discussing the "Morne not kicking the ball out" incident you questioned the authenticity of a screenshot, claiming Morne received the ball a lot earlier than the shot shows. So what is that other than accusing me of manipulating it? Remember the incident of the shot of Morne jumping into the air to catch a pass some time ago, where the entire board agreed he was in the air but you claimed he was on the ground? You also directly accused me of doctoring that shot, which was part of the reason why I left the board for a long time. I got tired of dealing with your constant bullshit and dishonesty.

As for these "angles", the only angles I use are the ones you see on your TV while watching the game since I get the screenshots from broadcast footage. I'm not sure what other angles I can possibly use.

XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
02 Jul 2018, 10:38
#11
02 Jul 2018, 10:38#11

I don't know why you guys bother. It's like arguing with a brick wall. 

XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
02 Jul 2018, 10:38
#12
02 Jul 2018, 10:38#12
Pigeon and chessboard spring to mind.
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Jul 2018, 10:39
#13
02 Jul 2018, 10:39#13

I don't know why I bother either Xavi. It's become like a bad reflex.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,254 posts
02 Jul 2018, 13:47
#14
02 Jul 2018, 13:47#14


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jul 2018, 18:45
#15
02 Jul 2018, 18:45#15

Not accused you of anything bar coming up with photos that did not reflect the actual angle and gave a questionable perspective of what happened and then launch an attack on whatever I said.

The last one was a farce as well.   When I said De Allende was on the five meter line from the side of the field - you swear he was deaper in-field and tried to present a photo  from a different angle to prove it.   Fact is de Allende was ultimately tackled exactly in the position where I said he was.   This is not the first case it happened.        .         

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jul 2018, 19:17
#16
02 Jul 2018, 19:17#16
You said he made his tackle 3 metres out.....that was the dirty, stinking lie that you never had the basic honesty to withdraw. Low class stuff.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Jul 2018, 20:46
#17
02 Jul 2018, 20:46#17
No more ganging up on ou maaaikie please oaks. Mike loves his rugby and contributes a lot here. He is not always right as he often disagrees with me!
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Jul 2018, 22:10
#18
02 Jul 2018, 22:10#18

Okay, let's lay this to rest once and for all.

When I said De Allende was on the five meter line from the side of the field - you swear he was deaper in-field and tried to present a photo  from a different angle to prove it.

Here is the moment De Allende gets tackled. We can clearly see the 5m line, and we can clearly see where his anchoring foot is. Drawing a line through his foot position, we can clearly see he is nowhere near the 5m line. We can also see the player on his outside exactly on the 5m line, which makes it impossible for DA to be on the 5m line as well.


After DA takes the heavy tackle, he takes a while to get up. On this wide shot as England gathers the kick and starts to counter, we can see him still kneeling where the tackle was completed: between the 5m and 15m lines, as I said from the start.

Mozart:

You said he made his tackle 3 metres out.....that was the dirty, stinking lie that you never had the basic honesty to withdraw. Low class stuff.

Mike is referring to the incident above here specifically, but the 3m tackle still remains as one of his all time classics, of course.

Over and out. Now prepare for another essay from Mike on angles.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,254 posts
02 Jul 2018, 22:17
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02 Jul 2018, 22:17#19



http://www.englandrugby.com/news/features/england-south-africa-rugby-mike-brown-try-lee-dickson-play-the-week/

XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
02 Jul 2018, 22:30
#20
02 Jul 2018, 22:30#20

@Beeno


I agree that "ganging" up on Oom Mike is not cool but how can you defend his actions.

Will you look the other way while he accuses posters of lies and doctoring evidence? 

Only a few have called him out for it and those that haven't...... well it says more about their character than his.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jul 2018, 22:43
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02 Jul 2018, 22:43#21
All Duh Allende had to do was take the tackle and slip the offload to the player well placed behind him.....it's modern rugby 101. The second best option was to take the tackle and place it so that it was retained. There are probably five other better options one could come up with.....a direct kick into touch for example would have ceded possession but allowed the defence to get organized. So eventhat was better. The worst option available was to make a short kick into the middle of the field.....which is of course what Duh did, resulting in a try. Instead of simply admitting to the obvious, Tokkie accuses Pakie of lying. If he persists Pakie I would suggest a Board poll to demonstrate that the truth still has some value.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Jul 2018, 01:06
#22
03 Jul 2018, 01:06#22
You all got CleverMike riled up and now he attacks posters and inanimate objects (categories may not be mutually exclusive).
By the way, is Plum still Lurking about?
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
03 Jul 2018, 10:40
#23
03 Jul 2018, 10:40#23

Starting to pine for a good ref whinge.........nah not really .

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,254 posts
03 Jul 2018, 20:06
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03 Jul 2018, 20:06#24


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