Its seesm the thread re Fekitoe went kaput.
But I did see this choice morsel from ou hacked waagh.
Beeno's argument is:
The NZ "Whites Only" Team should be playing the Australian "Whites Only" Team and the South African "Whites Only" Team and not rely on the black islanders to do the dirty work for the All Blacks or the Wallabies or the English Team.
Then the Springboks "Whites only" Team will be world champion by merit of who is the strongest white race.
Well hacked waaugh you really are loosing the plot and behaving like a half wit (Apologies to all half wits!!)
I have made no complaints about nz polynesians playing for the abs. What an absurd statement you have made. I also pick Beast and JP in my Bok sides on merit.
You're sounding a bit like ou warped dud crying racist if somebody disagrees with you. Shame on you hacked waaugh would not have expected this from you - ou warped dud of course making these allegations is par for the course.
Next back to the question of NZ and now Oz looting PI talent. Here is anice one form the Telegraph:
It was not only All Blacks supporters who blinked their eyes a little in amazement in Christchurch last Saturday night when Sitiveni Sivivatu latched onto Tana Umaga's beautiful flighted pass and shredded the Lions defence with two devastating side steps before launching into his trademark try-scoring dive. Breathtaking stuff - the latest Fijian sensation is upon us.
Funny how the All Blacks keep "uncovering" these guys, and even more extraordinary how the International Rugby Board continue to let a powerhouse nation such as New Zealand torpedo rugby in their region. Nobody in the IRB is strong enough to stand up to New Zealand so the situation will only get worse and a golden opportunity for the game to expand is missed.(What abunch of wimps I must add)
The last Fijian sensation was Joe Rokocoko - Sitiveni's first cousin - who blazed a spectacular path before losing form for a matter of weeks. That's easily long enough to drop out of the reckoning in All Black terms so he was ruthlessly dropped and his compatriot and kinsman promoted.
And before that they were after the best of them all, Rupeni Caucau - the most extraordinary and naturally gifted talent since Jonah Lomu. There was a technical difficulty there in that he had already played for Fiji and starred at the Commonwealth Games Sevens.
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As subsequent events have proved, he is also a highly individualistic but slightly wayward talent who does not fit the All Blacks template. Rugby wise they were mutually incompatible.
So the All Blacks continue to cynically and systematically loot the Pacific Islands of their best players. It's an old and depressing story and nobody in New Zealand has been able to give a convincing defence of their actions.
Yes, they give more money and coaching back up to the islands of Fiji, Tonga and Samoa than anybody else but that simply maintains a certain level of rugby on those Pacific outposts and keeps New Zealand's rugby recruiting grounds fertile.
New Zealand would be horrified if the Islands ever became strong and independent in their own right. That's not the plan at all. If a professional system could be put in place so that the best of their talent didn't have to look abroad it would be a massive blow to New Zealand rugby's development.
Earlier this year the decision was made to extend the Super 12 by two teams, the perfect opportunity to include the Islanders who, lest we forget, had been promised a place in the original Super Ten - I was there when the SANZAR chairmen and their Sky Sport associates made the promise to the rugby world in Johannesburg a decade ago on the eve of the 1995 World Cup final. Nice soundbites but completely worthless. It was public relations garbage at its most cynical.
Samoa, Fiji and Tonga have more chance of landing a man on the moon before being invited to rugby's top table. The New Zealanders would simply be unwilling to let it happen. It's just not in their interest to do so. Sivivatu's case is interesting. At the age of 17 he and two other outstanding young Fijians were identified, poached and selected for a "sports scholarship" at Wesley College, where Lomu learned his stuff. His New Zealand residential qualification was under way without him even noticing it.
Then last year he was picked for the Pacific Islanders XV, the IRB-inspired Test team to try and save rugby in the islands. Starting from scratch they produced three outstanding international performances in successive weekends against Australia, South Africa and New Zealand. Brilliant idea.
And what happened? Their best two players Sivivatu and Tonga's Sione Lauaki - a Lomu-type specimen who is set for great things in the back row - were immediately snatched by the All Blacks who chose to ignore the fact that the duo had just been involved in a three match Test series against the mighty SANZAR countries.
Indeed New Zealand awarded All Black caps against the Islanders. The entire situation is too incredible for words. Ultimately New Zealand simply used the matches as unofficial All Blacks trials.
What happened to the entire concept of building a Combined Island XV to take on the world? What happened is that New Zealand saw their incredible potential and were not very happy.(Apoint I have made more than once - The pacific Islanders would be in the top eschelons in world rugby give the players they have but for this self serving attitude of nz but now also of OZ!)
So the list rolls on. Sitiveni Sivivatu, Sione Lauaki, Rodney So'oialo, Joe Rokocoko, Joeli Vidiri, Jonah Lomu, John Schuster, Frank Bunce, Michael Jones, Bryan Williams, Walter Little, Stephen Bachop and Andrew Blowers. Jerry Collins and Mils Muliaina are both Samoan by birth. The list is endless.
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The truth is that rugby is too important in New Zealand - in the make up of a young country's national identity - for them to accept a situation in which they are not the world leaders and they will do their best to preserve and promote that situation.(And I mean anything!!!)
It irritates the hell out of New Zealanders that they have not been able to call themselves world champions since 1987.
For large chunks of that period they have undoubtedly been the world's best team but have blown it under pressure every time. (Hence the rigged RWC we last had in nz)
Mentally they find that unacceptable and regaining that world champion title has become the Holy Grail and they will go to any lengths to obtain it. (And they did go to any lengths)
Despite the way they strut there is a national insecurity that they might not be able to do it with just home-grown talent.(Quite so)
As thousands of Lions supporters are finding, New Zealanders are among the most hospitable and welcoming people on earth. (Very nice people they defintely are)
There is a beguiling honesty and openness about them and they genuinely want you to enjoy their fabulous country. But the drawbridge goes up when it comes to rugby.(EXactly so)
After years of disappointment they have become utterly ruthless and self-centred and in years to come, when they review this period of their history, there can be no pride whatsoever in the way they have treated some of their closest neighbours in this corner of the world
The problem the Pacific Islanders now have is that OZ is now in on the act - so the problem doubles. OZ and NZ will never allow the Pacific Islanders to develope their own thing. However if the Pacific islanders refuse to be cowed by these two leach countries and they show guts and determination they can succeed in striking out on their own rather than proping up the wee abs and wobblies and their respective Super 15 teams as well.
Good luck to the Pacific Islanders may they gain rugby freedom from their rugby "colonial" masters.
South Africa should of course do all they can to assist as should the IRB.
Can we please have no pathetic bleats from the kbbs. Best mend your ways.
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