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Some pre game comments to go with the post game comments

Started by Mozart9 REPLIES506 VIEWS· 15 Sept 2018, 18:28
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Sept 2018, 18:28
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15 Sept 2018, 18:28#1
18, 23:14 Only 3 teams have beaten the ABs in the period since the WC. Oz in a dead rubber contest....a similar equation to our near win last year. The Lions in the second test and Ireland in Chicago. The Lions win was against a 14 man AB team after the early SBW red......a tainted win, but they did manage a draw in the third test. The Lions played a tight game kicking for territory and deploying a push defence. They put a lot of pressure on the AB ball carriers. The Irish did the same....a very fast defensive line was a key aspect. But in both cases there were effective counterattacks and lots of opportunism from players like Connor Murray who scored a superb try in Chicago. At no time did these teams try to 'open up' the game....they fed off AB errors against aggressive defence, rather than the usual situation where the ABs turn mistakes in sterile phase play by opponents into potent counter attacks. Challenge the ABs to beat a structured defence, don't throw the ball around in your 22 even on the 'exits'......and attack where advantage exists. Do anything else and you feed the devastating AB counter attack. 0 0 Likes
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Sept 2018, 18:30
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15 Sept 2018, 18:30#2
Here is what he said: Cape Town - Former Springbok assistant coach Brendan Venter says the team should not view Saturday’s Rugby Championship challenge against New Zealand in Wellington as “mission impossible”. The South Africans head into the match on the back of successive defeats to Argentina and Australia and a 3-4 win-loss record in 2018. Since their last win in New Zealand in 2009, the Springboks have beaten the All Blacks only twice in 17 Tests but Venter believes there is hope. Venter, via a column for the Stuff.co.nz website, wrote that that All Blacks were “average” in their 46-24 win over Argentina in Nelson last weekend. “Rugby is an amazing game and beating the All Blacks in Wellington on Saturday should not be regarded as mission impossible,” Venter wrote. The former Bok midfielder, who was the team’s assistant coach when they lost by a record 57-0 to New Zealand in Albany last year, has identified THREE areas the Boks must control in order to stand a chance: “Firstly, the All Blacks play for territory and, if you want to beat them, you have to at least match them in the kicking stakes... “Secondly, the Springboks will have to protect their ball possession because the All Blacks' counter-attacking and turn-over ability is second to none... “Thirdly, when facing the All Blacks you have to prepare extremely well to defend the set-phases...” >>..................>.......>..>>...........> Bit ironical that de facto coach Venter now knows what to do after a 57 to zip loss. That said he has to be right because he pretty much is preaching from the moz playbook. And I believe we can beat the ABs....most teams can't because they are physically inferior. We aren't but unfortunately we are tactically inferior....tactics can be fixed, physical dominance is a death sentence. The first challenge is to convince the team they belong on the same field....hopefully Rassie hasn't made that impossible with his discussion of being fired after a loss to
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Sept 2018, 18:32
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15 Sept 2018, 18:32#3
And then we have the comments of the guy who has been taunting me to come on the Board.......he must have picked the Boks, right? So here are Tokkie's pearls of wisdom: Now back to the test on Saturday, I do not believe that the Springboks have even a 5% chance of wining the game on Saturday. The reason is that there are too many players in the side in Saturday who will let the team down. There are in the main two problems and those are – * players who are below international standard and at best questionable selections – Mostert. Kolisi, Whiteley and Am; and * players who normally are good enough – but in the recent tests under-performed compared to their normal standard -those inter alia included Marx, Le Roux, Pollard. Faf and even Etzebeth. The remainder of the team consisted of players who more or less performed on an acceptable level – but not really match winners on their own. For the Springboks to show positive signs all the players will have to improve on their recent performances and drastically so. That leaves a team with 11 players who can make the team competitive - where 14 were inadequate in 2012 and 2014, 11 would be incapable of climbing that mountain. So that will not be enough to win the game – but could reduce the damage insofar as the scoreline is concerned, I stated elsewhere that a loss by less than 20 points will mean an improvement on what Coetzee achieved in 2016 and 2017 and a loss by less than 12 points will indicate that the team is developing better than was achieved under Meyer. I stick with those comments and predict a loss of circa 14 points by the Springboks.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Sept 2018, 18:38
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15 Sept 2018, 18:38#4
I thoroughly enjoyed the game and the performance of every Bok out there, even the ones Tokkie said aren't. Test standard. Wearing my "Sent Off" ...."Carried Off".....but "Never Back Off" Bok green tee shirt with some Saffa supporters we enoyed the agony of victory and the joy of defeat for the Mighty ABs. Great sportsmanship by the NZ commentators....and by their coaches who came on the field to congratulate the Boks. Rugby was the winner today!
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Sept 2018, 19:11
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15 Sept 2018, 19:11#5

A question:

Is Whitley still to small...or in sports jargon "not physical enough" for test rugby?

Lol jokers

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Sept 2018, 19:25
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15 Sept 2018, 19:25#6

Plum , Warren's size is not the only misconception that needs a re-look at this stage.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Sept 2018, 19:35
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15 Sept 2018, 19:35#7

I thought Whiteley has been good in every test I have seen. He hasn't been shown up as too small or too weak for test rugby, though he was run over against Australia! He redeemed himself against the All Blacks. I was happy to see the less clunky quick attacks that I had been asking for. When I saw what Rassie was doing against Australia I was very concerned. We must be happy and bask in the moment. However, there is still work to do, and not every Bok played well. There are things that need fixing and some personell changes to be made. We have to beat them on our own soil. If we lose that test, they end the yea r with normal order resumed and an away victory in the process. If we win? It changes 2019. It changes how the All Blacks see us, as they have many months to contemplate a whitewash before the World Cup year begins. Sowing these seeds of doubt and building our belief is critical. The mission is half done. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Sept 2018, 19:54
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15 Sept 2018, 19:54#8

Mozart

So what is quoted above is what I wrote from  an objective assessment perspective before the game.   I did not call any player as defective as  you did with Du Toit - remember the swan neck story.

I had another good look at that long neck story today.   Du Toit's neck  is markedly shorter than that of Etzebeth.  All you have to do habitual liar is to look at the space between the tops of their jerseys in front and a line equivalent to their chins to see what the real fact is.   

I would rather think you should be  ashamed of how you have lied and slandered some of the individual players.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Sept 2018, 21:05
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15 Sept 2018, 21:05#9
Tokkie I would have left this alone, but for your nasty little dig. So here's the truth posted above out of your mouth and mine. You gave the Boks no chance....thought losing by less than 20 would be a victory. I said the Boks have a puncher's chance if they followed my tactics....which they did to the letter. Eat your crow.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
16 Sept 2018, 07:16
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16 Sept 2018, 07:16#10

Read somewhere that Whitely is 6ft4 & weighs 110 .......  hardly a liteweight.

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