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Sonny Bill Williams blamed for setting 'dreadful' All Blacks example

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Oct 2017, 07:13
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08 Oct 2017, 07:13#1

Former NRL star Sonny Bill Williams has been singled out as one of the main hit-men leading the All Blacks into a new era of thuggish behaviour, where they travel the world ‘handing out dementia’.

In a scathing piece penned by top New Zealand rugby journalist Mark Reason, the writer pinpointed SBW, Luke Romano and Jerome Kaino as the key All Blacks dishing out on-field violence with no repercussions. 


“It was Sonny Bill, turning his body as Cubelli fell, who was shamefully responsible for the damage,” Reason said of an incident that led to Argentine player Tomas Cubelli ending last weekend’s Test in a neck brace.

“Violence now seems to be almost celebrated. It wasn’t there to the same extent under Richie McCaw.

“Sonny Bill and Jerome Kaino brought it into the Lions series.

“Many in New Zealand are fed up with the dreadful example set by the All Blacks.”

Reason argues that the All Blacks should move with the times and call out their own, rather than celebrate intimidatory tactics.

“Surely, knowing all we do know about the long-term implications of head injuries, it is no longer acceptable for the All Blacks to repeatedly tackle higher than any other first-tier nation,” he wrote.

“It is not acceptable for them to still play an enforcer at No.6 and No.12, where the likes of (Jerome) Kaino, Liam Squire and Sonny Bill seek to intimidate through frequently dangerous play.

“The Black Menace doesn’t need to travel the world handing out dementia like a signed autograph of remembrance.

“These All Blacks should choose beauty over the beast.”

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Oct 2017, 07:48
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08 Oct 2017, 07:48#2
 Great article and about time. The ab thug squeal blue murder should anybody have the temerity to stand up to them like Bakkies Botha and praise to high heaven pap locks like wee matfiled 103 kg etc.
High tackles by the abs have improved marginally over the years but they still play dirty.
The wee abs are up to all sort of tricks aided and abetted by weak refs - follow the money rail I say.
That said i think there has been some improvement but not enough as the voice of Reason plainly states. If they are winning they tend to not use illegal tactics as much.
We all hope the kbbs can improve their awful record for the sake of the noble game. They need to follow their few role model like honest Justin MarshallAbove all they need to take  a serious look at themselves in a reinforced mirror and then settle dow n for a long session on a psychiatrists couch hahahahahahahahhaha 
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
08 Oct 2017, 09:09
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08 Oct 2017, 09:09#3
 























































 Reason is a Brit living in NZ . Son of the late Chris Reason, a rugby scribe as well .



Mark Reason: Sorry, but the All Blacks are now a dirty side

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Has discipline has slipped a little under All Blacks captain Kieran Read?

OPINION: Steve Hansen said after the All Blacks beat Ireland in Dublin last November: "Do you want me to tell you we're a dirty side or something."

It seems to me the answer to that question is now a colossal YES in capital letters. YES, it's a swinging arm in the affirmative. YES, it's a leading shoulder to the head. I apologise if that upsets you in the rugby shires, but the rest of New Zealand is fed up with the dreadful, headhunting example set by the All Blacks.

A couple of weeks ago I spoke at a dinner of the Auckland Medical Legal Society on the subject of concussion. All bar one of the doctors and lawyers who spoke to me afterwards were worried and repulsed at the height of the tackle and the continuing damage to young people's heads.

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Sonny Bill Williams hits Anthony Watson with a high tackle during the second test against the British and Irish Lions

It seems to me no other major international team in world rugby takes out the neck and head of opponents with such sickening regularity.

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Liam Squire plays the role of 'enforcer' for the All Blacks, a job description most test sides have moved away from.

Romano could probably not be blamed for Tomas Cubelli having to be put in a neck brace. Romano got his man, but it was Sonny Bill, turning in his body as Cubelli fell, who was shamefully responsible for the damage.

But Romano consistently went over the top with his tackling technique. He hit Lucas Noguera, Tomas Lavanini, Pablo Matera and Joaquin Tuculet with high shots. He then smashed into Martin Ladajo. Again Romano was upright with his body position and his shoulder juddered into Ladajo's head.

Astonishingly nothing was done. Even more astonishingly Hansen said after the match: "I thought Luke Romano had probably his best game in the jersey."

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All Blacks second-rower Luke Romano hit several Argentine players with high shots in Buenos Aires.

Well, Romano had his best game in the jersey if he is measured on the Meads-o-meter. Violence now seems to be almost celebrated. It wasn't there to the same extent under Richie McCaw's captaincy which makes you wonder. McCaw preferred to call out cheap shots from the opposition prompting the New Zealand public to boo Quade Cooper.

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So why aren't we booing our own players? This has been going on since the match in Dublin last November. Sonny Bill and Jerome Kaino brought it into the Lions series. And then four or five of the side exported the violence to Buenos Aires.

Early in the second half Vaea Fifita hit Tomas Lezana with a shoulder. It was high and there were no arms involved. A yellow card was the minimum sanction. Astonishingly nothing was done.

Then Kieran Read hit Matias Orlando with a very dangerous tackle. It wasn't an accident. Read made two or three other tackles in the match where the height was marginal. If you constantly drive at 70kph in a built up area there are going to be casualties.

Hansen said afterwards: "Reado got binned for a high tackle and he's the captain. He's been around long enough to know he shouldn't be doing that."

Typically, the implied concern was not for the welfare of the player who got hit, but for the fact that the All Blacks were down to 14 men. Indeed Hansen thought that his forwards "showed a real physicality...which was great."

At the AMLS dinner a charming elderly gentleman spoke to me as we were leaving. He recalled the time when he had been playing and, as an opponent came in for the tackle, he bumped him off with a thrust of the hip. Coach and captain removed him from the pitch and said that his action was dangerous to the head of the tackler and was unacceptable

So surely, knowing all we do now about the long-term implications of head injuries, it is no longer acceptable for the All Blacks to repeatedly tackle higher than any other first tier nation. Surely it is not acceptable for them to still play an enforcer at 6 and 12, where the likes of Jerome Kaino, Liam Squire and Sonny Bill seek to intimidate through frequently dangerous play.

Other world sides can be guilty of dangerous play, yet look around and ask yourself where all the hitmen have gone. A few dinosaurs still roam the planet, such as Adam Coleman, Yoann Maestri and Dylan Hartley. But they appear to be a dying breed, except in New Zealand.

South Africa always had a few bully boys like Bakkies Botha and Schalk Burger. Australia had the Owen Finegans of this world and England had thugs such as Martin Johnson and Danny Grewcock. Back in the days of Michel Palmie, Jean-Francois Imbernon and Jean-Pierre Bastiat you were safer in a high security prison than in the middle of the French pack.

But those teams have moved on and their average tackle height has come down. Yet it remains dangerously high in New Zealand, although mention the word "dirty" and the yeomanry will start to foam at the collar.

Hansen said about Warren Gatland, who had called his team out during the Lions tour: "I expect him to know the New Zealand psyche. It's not about intentionally trying to hurt anyone, it's about playing hard and fair."

Most of the doctors and lawyers I spoke to the other week think that is typical rugby guff from a bloke who can't see past his own team. They see a rugby culture that is still stuck in the past. They see queues of head injuries at the hospital doors. And they see the national team setting a terrible example.

But the biggest sadness of all is that these All Blacks can be the Brazil of rugby, playing the artful game as only they can. The Black Menace doesn't need to travel the world handing out dementia like a signed autograph of remembrance. These All Blacks could choose beauty over the beast.

* Comments on this article have now closed.

 - Sunday Star Times

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Login or Join to post a comment1 day agoplaythamI seldom agree with Mark Reason, but on this occasion, sadly I do (not sad to agree, sad the he is correct about this topic).  The ABs have skill beyond most teams and play at a pace that most teams cannot maintain to stay with them.  Maybe it is the pace they play at that is partly to blame, so maybe what we really need is for that pace to have a level of accountability in terms of at-speed decisions, particularly around tackles.
    -491 day agoBruce/KayeTypical tall poppy syndrome with Mr No Reason trying for a head high shot in ABs
      +291 day agoR DrewIf they are dirty players then the rules mean they will be penalised but this does not seem to be happening.
        +501 day agoToday's ThoughtsWhere is WorkSafe on this?  It's professional now, so that's a workplace.  Where is their job specific safety plan? 

        We can't use step ladders to work from, and need height protection to build a childrens playground, that they'll climb up freely anyway.  How does professional sport skip around all of this?
          +251 day agototara1948yes, concussion is a serious problem.....but no, the All Blacks are not a dirty side. Mark, you continue to "sell newspapers" on account of your well known controversial stance on just about every issue that comes up. Once again, no doubt, you will be buried in a landslide of our protest...
            +501 day agoMARO ITOJEGreat article Mark, spot on for once!
              -551 day agots652726Spot on Mark
                -531 day agoPedro1437If you play harder than your opponents for longer the law if average’s will mean more on field mishaps!! Mark but they’re still better than your average team
                  +251 day agoKevin HoskingI think this article was a complete waste of time, for gods sake the man that makes the rules on the day is the ref, go the mighty Blacks 
                    +311 day agoJedd ClarkIf Football is the beauty, then, Rugby is the beast. I can live with that. That's the reason I love the game. It's the toughest game in the world. But......I am worried about the brain injuries. We need to do more to make this game safer. NZR stand up and show leadership on this 
                      +221 day agoBarrie ClarkThere is a long list of NZers who have been concussed over the last year(s); Barrett, Smith, Read, McCaw, Crotty, Ngatai, Coles, Cane, Whitelock etc. They were not playing against the All Blacks. Most were simply playing domestic (Super) rugby. About 80 failed HIA protocols at various times this year. That suggests that it is not just the technique of one team (and to suggest it is deliberate is just nasty and does a disservice to the fine coaches the ABs have and to the team's leadership). If there is an issue then it is with the rules and they need to change. That has already happened with many sinbinnings for high tackles. However, go any further and the game stops being rugby.
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                      +401 day agoJMelYou need to read the article properly and understand it. The point being made is not that the New Zealand national rugby team is the only one doing the high, dangerous tackles, but rather than it is doing far more of them than any other single team. Because of the high profile of the NZ team, it is setting a very bad (and dangerous) example.
                        -401 day agoDavid MitchellThere are those who keep saying “it’s not tiddlywinks” as if that’s a good enough reason to concuss a player.
                          -161 day agoStevieGSpot on article. Standard anti response from the 'why does anyone read Reason's columns but I'll take the bait & comment anyway' brigade. Classic!
                            -351 day agoPodacityThe first casualty in this article is truth.
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                            +381 day agoJMelNo, incorrect. Thankfully, we have Mr Reason to point out the the Emperor is not wearing clothes.
                              -341 day agoTPBGo cry somewhere else, all international teams do their bit of foul play, how surprising you single out the All Blacks. Youre not playing them and youre not a ref so dont let it make your cornflakes soggy.
                                +321 day agoAlexis BrownThis is not soccer

                                -Nigel Owens
                                  +311 day agoJohn Phillimorepull your head in it is a contact sport
                                    +161 day agodailysub60blah blah blah it's not tiddly winks it's a contact sport and at times all teams and players are going to make contact with the head
                                      -61 day agocuzThey smell a bit dirty after the game, but I'm pretty sure they have showers in the sheds, I might be wrong though
                                        +101 day agoBones McCoy

                                        ... "those teams have moved on and their average tackle height has come down". So someone's engaged to measure - accurately - how high a tackle is? Care to share those figures with us, Mr. Reason?

                                          +171 day agobigb69So New Zealand won, again ?
                                            +351 day agoPatrick JohnWell written article, some good points raised. A lot of the comments here dismissing the writers criticisms are quite biased as you would expect with a national newspaper covering the performance of a national team.
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                                      Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:10
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:10#4
                                       Cloudy time for a session with the mirror and the couch! A little self reflection can do wonders for all wee ab fans. A more sane, poised bunch of kbbs would be of benefit to all concerned! What would ou warped DUD clothed and in his right mind be like. Its difficult to imaging I know!As for sunni bill , well he has not exactly distinguished himself. A thug of note who got pounded by old man Botha when he believed his own hype. Hahahahahaha
                                      B eeno bringing much needed perspective to some needy kbbs!
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                                      Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:14
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:14#5
                                       Well I must find time to go through this long list of ab thuggery.It appears Bob has regained his mojo.
                                      No the spin on events by the kbbs! 
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                                      bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:20
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:20#6
                                       Apologies for doing a 'Beano' to the margins.
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                                      Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:25
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:25#7
                                       South Africa always had a few bully boys like Bakkies Botha and Schalk Burger. Schalk Burger was one of the cleanest players ever! Bakkies committed the occasional indiscretion by generalyl played hard and fair.
                                      I have many times commented on the way kiwi tackle high, just below the neck. Its great that this is being called out although its not as pervasive today as it was thanks to all the TV footage.I kiwis always try to deflect attention away from their own misdemeanors by citing the rare examples of where their opponents may have committed indiscretions!Its very predictable.
                                      Taking responsibility is the way forward for the kiwis. 
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                                      Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:27
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:27#8
                                       The commentary box said a even a penalty for what Allende did was uncalled for.That or the wrong call on the ab try cost the Boks the match.
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                                      bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:29
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:29#9
                                       Howzit Cloudy ........ how about the mighty Taranaki taking the Ranfurly Shield off the  Cantabs ?
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                                      bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:48
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 09:48#10
                                       Wednesday .v. Manawatu .......... me too, when they were down 31-7
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                                      Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 10:08
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 10:08#11
                                       Cloudy the Allende incident is very marginal and shouldn't be used as a proof of case item . Its also the case these incidents are far fewer when considering non kiwi sides.cloudy humble  contrite heart and full repentance is the y forward for all erring kbbs
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                                      WardadPro6,663 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 10:39
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 10:39#12
                                       Who cares what this clickbait wanker has to say .
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                                      RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 11:26
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 11:26#13
                                      "Who cares what this clickbait wanker has to say ."
                                      Wardad, are you referring to Mark Reason or Baboon-ou?
                                      JW
                                      Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 11:34
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 11:34#14
                                       Beeno has found a new toy to play with (supposed AB thuggery). At least he has some fighting spirit once more & is giving the wee tennis balls a break Although he's totally misguided in his latest wailing bleats. It does make a change from "It's the refs fault" refrain .
                                      The game we just witnessed was hard fought and for the most part we did not see the "thuggery" this wee journalist has invented to increase his readership. Looking at the evidence there was only one case of this thuggery and that bloke got a red card (excessive but thems the rules). Everything else is a diversion Beeno.
                                      JW, trying to help Beeno stay on the path to sanity
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                                      DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 12:11
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 12:11#15
                                       Lol Rooi...and klop.
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                                      hakwaPro4,146 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 13:22
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 13:22#16
                                       Nothing from the idiot Rezone about thug English hooker and Captain Hatley about his eye gouging. That should be a Police case of assault.
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                                      MozartCaptain49,914 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 13:49
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 13:49#17
                                      Only game where the ABs went beyond physical was the Irish test in Dublin.....that was not the ABs finest hour. .. SBW, however, looked off the pace yesterday.....you might need two new centres for the WC.
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                                      DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 14:14
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 14:14#18
                                       Cloudz, don't you know Beenz by now?
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                                      DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 14:16
                                      #19
                                      08 Oct 2017, 14:16#19
                                       Think about the bigmouthing before big boxing matches of old...
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                                      DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
                                      08 Oct 2017, 14:53
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                                      08 Oct 2017, 14:53#20
                                       Having a go at the opposition is Beeno's favorite sport, even more so than tennis.
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