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Sorry for the boxing post but...

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PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Apr 2018, 18:02
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03 Apr 2018, 18:02#1

Any boxing fans here please go and check out Vasyl Lomachenko.


I don't mind if this post is dumped below soon but just wanted try and get as many of you rugby AND boxing fans to see it.


Would enjoy a discussion about this guy with some of the older members here as I'm quite interested era defining fighters and this guy seems to be one of them. 


Lost his first pro fight but has made high quality opponents literally take a knee. It's uncanny how many of guys just quit against him. It's the first time I've ever seen a fighter able to do that to opponents so regularly. And some of these guys were considered the elite of the elite until he embarrassed them.


He's had 400 amateur fights and apparently his style is now being taught in gyms up and down both the coasts of the US. This after only having fought about 8 pro fights. It's insane really.


Would really like your views on him.


Please ED leave this in the rugby section for just one day :)



GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
03 Apr 2018, 18:09
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03 Apr 2018, 18:09#2

What about Alexander Povetkin's left knock out on Price in Cardiff?

Yes Vasili Lomachenko's (super featherweight) matrix/madador style is unique and effective but this Ukrainian under plays it...he is a good boxer...a thinker and preplans his moves to certain opponents techniques...something that rugby players (and coaches game plans that are readible) should develope instead of playing to traditional set patterns...it's like a good chess player.

https://youtu.be/FjHaeloJvS0

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
03 Apr 2018, 23:12
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03 Apr 2018, 23:12#3

Bit old school me,the embarrassing sight of so many bullshit titles and some of the scummy promoters like Don King has put me off the sweet science of late.

Ali/Frasier ,Ali said "it felt like dying " after "The thriller in Manilla" ?, just ferocious ,powerful and skilled those guys.

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
04 Apr 2018, 08:06
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04 Apr 2018, 08:06#4
Plumster, it is his ability to move that makes him so difficult to box against. The angles he uses are very unique and it is those angles that befuddle his opponents. Its his ability to move from in front of an opponent to one or the other side so quickly that they are often left punching at air, that sets him apart. Floyd Mayweather is so special because of his ability to avoid being hit. Lomachenko has a very similar ability to move unpredictably. He often inexplicably lands up next to his opponent or even behind them without them realising he's moved.     
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
04 Apr 2018, 08:22
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04 Apr 2018, 08:22#5

I never could understand why so many boxers out there turn pro when they don't have the most important asset ... a punch.

Ali and Mitchel were prime examples of champions that needed to string several punches together ... often over several rounds ... for a stoppage.

Earnie Shavers, Julian Jackson, Rocky Marciano and my personal favourite Mike Tyson had what it took to knock you the fcuk out with either hand.

I realize that it's an art form and that many like to lean on each other for 12 (15 rounds in my day) but from my personal perspective, the purpose of a fight is to end it as quickly as possible and you cannot do that if you don't have a punch.

Mike Tyson's uppercut was a thing of beauty.

So sad to have seen such an incredible man turn to shit after the loss of his father Cus D'Amato. He could easily have gone down as the greatest fighter of all time.


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
04 Apr 2018, 08:48
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04 Apr 2018, 08:48#6

Lomachenko has great hand speed but that's usually the case with the lighter weights. They put a lot of 5 - 6 punch combos together and with him he seems rather accurate.

It's always a good thing when you've thrown 10 punches and 8 of them land. He seems a little unsure of how to handle a fighter that's puts pressure on him. His style comes into it's own when he's on the front foot.

I like his aggression. He's a good fighter.

Can't really say that I understand why his style is so sought after though .

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
05 Apr 2018, 12:33
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05 Apr 2018, 12:33#7

Thanks for all the responses guys.

@ Seb

He looked out before the final blow landed. Those guys with short levers man. they know that  jabbing is a waste of time for them so they put everything into the crosses. Tyson is still my favourite for generating power. 

@ WD

Yeah, there are a crap ton of useless titles these days. Have you watched Vasyl yet though? If you're about the "sweet science" then he's your man. Cant remember when last, if ever, i saw a fighter that as so entertaining yet gets hit so little. I guess if you want to build an ideal fighter then you'd want a mix of aggression and good defence. He seems to score ten out of ten on both counts. Super aggressive but looks impossible to hit. That's about as sweet as the science gets it think. But yeah, can't say much about Ali that hasn't already been said a thousand times. 

Lol CC

Tyson was a beast. Still is a beast. There have just been too many heavyweights who sit there and jab for 12 boring as hell rounds. I guess that's what has generally separated fighters in our memories. Lennox lewis was very successful yet his fights were the equivalent of a sleeping tablet. Same with so many others. Tyson was the polar opposite of that. He could explode at any moment. And it was knowing that if you blinked you could miss a instant of genius back by power that made people love his style. 

As for Vasyl, it's as Blue says. The angles he creates man. It's not just his movement that creates those angles though. I thank that during his quad century of amateur fights he developed an uncanny ability to pre-empt opponents movement/posture when they're attacking, countering or defending that helps his creature those angles. His baiting and faints are also ridiculous.

As you probably know, getting next to a boxer is not easy, even if he's of average quality. But Vasyl is doing it to the cream of the crop, consistently and to the point where they literally just give up. Look no further if you want an answer as to why his style is so sought after. 

There's seems to be more to it though. He looks like he's come up with simple solutions to problems too. One example is him moving opponents gloves out of the way to land shots when they try to cover or catch their breath. Trainers tell you to hit the body to drop a guard. But that opens you up to Mayweather style counters. 

When last did we see a guy with less than ten pro fights get this kind of respect from the entire boxing world. Has it ever happened? 

There are just so many interesting facets to this guy. For me, he has come along at the right time for boxing. Somebody needs to remind people that boxing is still relevant. 

He still has to fight Garcia though. That's gonna be a real test. But lets assume he also takes a knee or has the towel thrown in. I think if that happens we have a new Manny/Mayweather league boxer on our hands, possibly bigger. I can't see it happening to Mikey Garcia really, but if it does, then OMG!

People said that about Rigondeaux, yet he was so unsuccessful that he faked an hand injury and just didn't come out of his corner. This was a guy who was undefeated up that point in 17 pro fights. 

He'll have to get past Linares first, which i think he won't struggle too much doing. 

I think it was on a Joe Rogan podcast that Schaub said that you can't watch more than two minutes of Lomachenko without becoming an instant fan. I 100% agree.

Also he looks a bit like Brian Mitchell haha so there's that!

 


BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
05 Apr 2018, 13:33
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05 Apr 2018, 13:33#8
Great fighter. Just a pitty he took so long to get to the top of the sport. At 30, age is unfortunately not on his side, so he probably won't achieve what guys like Mayweather and Pacman did. Guys like him that avoid contact well, do seem to last a bit longer in combat sports, but ja, it remains a combat sport that is very hard on the body. 
All that said, I must admit I am more of a fan of MMA these days. UFC fighters are much more complete combat machines than any boxer. MMA is just a hell of a lot more dynamic and at the end of the day, a boxer would stand little chance against an MMA fighter. As McGregor teased in the build up to the Mayweather fight, in a " real" fight, Mayweather would be well and truly farked! 
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