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South Africa’s best ever Super XV; The Roar

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
07 May 2014, 10:00
#1
07 May 2014, 10:00#1

By Diggercane, 7 May 2014

I am going to have a crack at the South African teams’ best ever Super Rugby XV. My picks for their team will come from the original franchises from 1996.

Firstly, let’s have a look at the final Australian XV selected from my article last week.

Thank you everyone for taking the time to comment on the thread, there was some good debate and conversation.

Australia’s best Super Rugby XV
Fullback –Chris Latham
Wings – Ben Tune and Joe Roff
Centres – Tim Horan and and Stirling Mortlock (Dan Herbert out)
First Five – Stephen Larkham
Halfback – George Gregan
Number 8 – Toutai Kefu
Flankers – George Smith and Owen Finnegan
Locks – John Eales and Dan Vickerman (James Horwill out)
Props – Andrew Blades and Richard Harry
Hooker – Jeremy Paul (Michael Foley out)

So, let’s cross over the Indian Ocean and have a look at my South African picks.

Fullback
Selected – Percy Montgomery, Andre Joubert, Johan Roets, Thinus Delport

For me this was a two way race between Percy Montgomery and Andre Joubert. I honestly couldn’t make up my mind here so after a flip of a coin Percy was selected.

Wings
Selected – Breyton Paulse, Pieter Rossouw, JP Pieterson, Stefan Terblanche, Bryan Habana, Akona Ndugane, Chester Williams, James Small

One wing is Bryan Habana but who to partner him? In the end I opted for James Small because I liked him the best.

Centres
Selected – Jean de Villiers, De Wet Barry, Francois Steyn, Adrian Jacobs, Etienne Botha, Andre Snyman, Hennie le Roux, Jacque Fourie

I found this to be a relatively simple choice. Jean de Villiers and Andre Snyman are my preferred pair, which probably means I have it completely wrong.

First Five
Selected – Joel Stransky, Henri Honiball, Morne Steyn, Andre Pretorius

Henri Honiball was one of my all-time favourite South African players and easily gets my pick.

Halfback
Selected – Neil de Kock, Ruan Pienaar, Joost van der Westhuizen, Johan Roux

I personally view Joost van der Westhuizen as the finest halfback I have seen in my time and so he gets the nod

Number 8
Selected – Bob Skinstad, Gary Teichmann, Dannie Roussow, Joe van Niekirk

Some fantastic players nominated here and none would let anyone down. My pick goes to Gary Teichmann as I admired his play and no nonsense attitude and I would also make him my Captain.

Flankers
Selected – Francois Louw, Schalk Burger, AJ Venter, Willem Alberts, Ruben Kruger, Piedre Wannenburg, Francois Pienaar, Rassie Erasmus

Once again some hard choices, but I think the Stormers pair of Francois Louw and Schalk Burger are my preferred options.

Locks
Selected – Eben Eztebeth, Andries Bekker, Mark Andrews, Johan Muller, Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, Hannes Strydom, Jannes Labuschagne

As much as I wanted to put Eben Eztebeth into one spot I simply could not go past the Bulls pair of Victor Matfield and Bakkies Botha.

Props
Selected – Cobus Visagie, Robbie Kempson, Adrian Garvey, Tendai Mtawariri, Guthro Steenkamp, Werner Kruger, Os du Randt, Balie Swart

I really wasn’t sure where to lean here and after much internal conflict I have opted for Os du Randt and Adrian Garvey.

Hooker
Selected – Pieter Dixon, Bismarck du Plessis, Gary Botha, James Dalton

Personally, Bismarck du Plessis wins out here for me easily.

South Africa’s best Super Rugby XV
Fullback –Percy Montgomery
Wings – Bryan Habana and James Small
Centre – Jean de Villiers and Andre Snyman
First Five – Henri Honiball
Halfback – Joost van der Westhuizen
Number 8 – Gary Teichmann (c)
Flankers – Francois Louw and Schalk Burger
Locks – Victor Matfield and Bakkies Botha
Props – Adrian Garvey and Os du Randt
Hooker – Bismarck du Plessis

The only rules this time is to pick from the players selected. It’s a straight out vote – the players with the most votes get picked.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
07 May 2014, 10:02
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07 May 2014, 10:02#2
 Here's a bone to chew on 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 May 2014, 13:49
#3
07 May 2014, 13:49#3
 JW thanks for all the effort put in but that team has some seriously bad selections!!!Adrain Garvey!!!!!!!! Rather put Cobus Visagie in at tight head.matfield. That is a shocking slection of a very one dimensional player. Bakkies and Etzebeth!!!  Greatest lock of the modern era.Loose forwards - acceptable.
Because Joubert is the best 15 in living memory he has to be chosen. Therefore the flyhalf would need to be Naas Botha - does he make the cut off. Craven rated him as one of the 5 greatest rugby players ever.The Centre pairing of Jean and Fourie has been our best and was considered by many to be the best in the world in their heyday.
JW I hope you see the error of your ways!
Your worst pick by far is victor matfiled the con artist. He is not a lock. End of story. Some folk here like Mike have noted he does zip but catch a ball or two and put in some powderpuff tackles. He has ALWAYS PLAYED LIKE THIS. Never again must we field a "lock" like matfied a 106 kg string bean.

3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
07 May 2014, 17:50
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07 May 2014, 17:50#4
 If you note it says best sa spxv players from 96, surley you with your limited comprehension, can see that. Bakkies i can pass on, but Estebeth lol hes only been around like what a year. Ill have a crack
1. Os Du Randt 2. Bismark 3. Visagie 4. Bakkies Boths 5. Victor Matfeild  6. Burger 7. Louwe 8. Joe Van Nie Kirk (loved him in Rugby 2006 haha so quick) 9. Van Der Westhazen 10. Henri Honiball 11. Bryan Habana 12. Jean De Villiars 13. Jacques Fourie 14. Breyton Paulse 15. Andre Joubert
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
07 May 2014, 17:55
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07 May 2014, 17:55#5
Beeno my old mate, please note that I did not write this article & therefore the players included are not my selections. The article appeared on the web site The Roar as stated in the topic heading, lol

JW trying to keep beeno straight (as usual)

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 May 2014, 18:06
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07 May 2014, 18:06#6

I'd have a back row of Schalk, Andre Venter and Big Joe. Joe was a super star before his injuries. I'd love to have seen those three guys together at their peaks.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 May 2014, 18:38
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07 May 2014, 18:38#7
 A fit Skinstat was the best simce Morne. My opinion. His untimely injury in 99 robbed us of some great rugga. Joe wasn't too bad either. Cobus Visagie was the best 3 from SA since when ever. Was Hempies du Toit a 3? I was too young. Sure there were some bulle 3's of note as well.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 May 2014, 19:01
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07 May 2014, 19:01#8
That's true Bobby before his injury was exceptional. I'll never forget the try he scored against Ireland picking the ball up from the base of the sc rum on halfway....and gassing the whole Irish backline. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 May 2014, 19:07
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07 May 2014, 19:07#9

That list has far too many good players missing, but given the list my side would be:

 

15. Joubert

14. JP

13. Fourie

12. Jean

11. Habana

10. Stransky

9. Joost

1. Os

2. Bismark

3. Garvey

4. Bakkies

5. Etzebeth

6. Erasmus

7. Schalk

8. Skinstad  

AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
07 May 2014, 19:47
#10
07 May 2014, 19:47#10
 What about Willie le Roux????????
Honiball at #10.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 May 2014, 19:51
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07 May 2014, 19:51#11
The list is endless as to who is not there........hookers - John Smit and A.Strauss.......for a start!!  
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 May 2014, 23:46
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07 May 2014, 23:46#12
3 IQ all the players I mention played Super rugby so what is your point.
JW I simply thanked you for your efforts in finding the article and posting it.
These kbbs! 
Good point AJ  - Willie is a must - drop JP or Small etc.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
07 May 2014, 23:55
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07 May 2014, 23:55#13
The whole article is just silly. Why not just name the article the best Springbok team since the SuperRugby tournament started. All of these players were first choice Boks, and will go down more as international legends than club rugby players
cmon Just_win!!!!! As a republisher we do expect more editorial standards to be applied!!!



JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 May 2014, 00:54
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08 May 2014, 00:54#14
Sharkbok: as I said above, just throwing you guys a bone, lol
& the fair-minded kiwi said: "a stick would have been better for the vegetarians"
Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
08 May 2014, 11:39
#15
08 May 2014, 11:39#15
 Fourie du Preez?
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 May 2014, 14:06
#16
08 May 2014, 14:06#16
 Fourie is a great scrummie but to me Joost is the best I have seen. Huge courage and fantastic speed.
Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
08 May 2014, 14:08
#17
08 May 2014, 14:08#17
 Just mentioned his name cos he didn' t even feature in Just_win's oroginal list.
I mean he had Neil de Kock and Johan Roux there?
LOL
Laughable.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 May 2014, 00:00
#18
09 May 2014, 00:00#18
 As good as Willie is, no way he's better tan Habana and Small was just super committed and a deadly defender. James hands down! 
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 May 2014, 00:28
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09 May 2014, 00:28#19
James Small a "deadly defender"?
James Small's "tackling" technique was to jump on the back of the opposition ball carrier and hope that his weight would wear the other guy down. He was a pathetic defender. Don't think I ever saw him go low once in his career.
The following positions are no-brainers . . .
15 Andre Joubert141312 11 Bryan Habana10 Henry Honiball9 Joost van der Westhuizen8 Gary Teichmann7 Andre Venter 6 5 4 Bakkies Botha3 2 Bismarck du Plessis1 Os du Randt
Anyone who disputes even one of those selections is a feeble-minded dolt who shouldn't be commenting on South African rugby.
My picks for the rest would be . . .
15 Andre Joubert14 JP Pietersen13 J aque Fourie12 Pieter Muller11 Bryan Habana10 Henry Honiball9 Joost van der Westhuizen8 Gary Teichmann7 Andre Venter6 Heinrich Brussow5 Mark Andrews4 Bakkies Botha3 BJ Botha2 Bismarck du Plessis1 Os du Randt
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 May 2014, 01:01
#20
09 May 2014, 01:01#20
 Hahhahahahaha you pick Pieter Muller before Jean!!! AJ before  Schalk. Brussouw!JP before Willie! Andrews before Etzebeth.Rooitwit, Willie is the most creative back we have produced in decades.
Bwahahahaha ou rooitwit again demonstrates he has no clue!
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 May 2014, 01:14
#21
09 May 2014, 01:14#21
Pfffffffffhahahaha!
Baboon-ou, the fact that you think I'm talking about AJ Venter rather than the great Andre "Man van Staal" Venter says it all. Thanks!
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 May 2014, 01:27
#22
09 May 2014, 01:27#22
 Andre Venter certainly was a very fine player rooitwit but Burger at his best was better.That still leave you in the dwang. Bwahahahahahaha.


RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 May 2014, 01:29
#23
09 May 2014, 01:29#23
Baboon-ou, wriggling and squirming trying to pretend he actually knows the difference between AJ Venter and Andre Venter . . . but not fooling Rooinek!
The fact that Venter wore the #7 jersey and Skulk wore the #6 will be taken up when Baboon-ou has managed to wipe all that egg off his fat face!
LMAO!
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 May 2014, 01:36
#24
09 May 2014, 01:36#24
 Burger has always been a more natural 7 rooitwit which is why he is playing there now. Nothing to do with injury. If selected again for the Boks it will be at 7.I would play Burger at 7 before Andre Venter. End of story.Rooitwit please wise up.
I trust you realise you fouled up also re those other gaffes of yours.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 May 2014, 01:43
#25
09 May 2014, 01:43#25
Pffffffffffffffffffffffhahahahahahahaha!
Listen to this rugby noob trying to pretend he knows anything about the game!
What number did Skulk wear in 99% of his Springbok appearances, Baboon-ou, and what number did Andre Venter wear in 100% of his Springbok appearances?
Just answer the question, chump!
ROTFLMAO!
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