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South Africa v Australia

Started by Ihi16 REPLIES450 VIEWS· 26 Sept 2013, 16:37
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IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
26 Sept 2013, 16:37
#1
26 Sept 2013, 16:37#1

Wallabies – Israel Folau, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Tevita Kuridrani, Christian Lealiifano, Joe Tomane, Quade Cooper, Nic White, Ben Mowen , Michael Hooper, Scott Fardy, James Horwill (c), Rob Simmons, Ben Alexander, Stephen Moore, James Slipper.

Subs – Saia Fainga’a, Benn Robinson, Sekope Kepu, Sitaleki Timani, Ben McCalman, Will Genia, Matt Toomua, Chris Feauai-Sautia.

I think we can expect a stronger showing all around this weekend. But Cooper is on his last chance and must show a massive improvement. Cant wait to see Timani in action a lot of grunt there. I still think Folau is too slow for fullback or wing and is way better in the midfield because he creates so much opportunities and we really need omeone to step up at 12. He culd be our SBW. Nic White so much depends on him here.
 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
26 Sept 2013, 16:45
#2
26 Sept 2013, 16:45#2

Interesting, you've adopted a softer approach this time round...

IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
26 Sept 2013, 16:52
#3
26 Sept 2013, 16:52#3

Mate what were the chances of the Boks pitching up in Brisbane? You lot bleated the boks wre gonna get trounced after the mendoza test (because you had no respecxt for argentina). this week the wallabies have it all to do but there are signs ewan is getting the bigger pictrure. he now has to find a place for folau and get rid of cooper once and for all. mowan must be cptain and maybe a few changes in the paxck I dunno we'll see after Saturday. but i doubt it will be as easy as brisbane. we;'re defo beter equipped this time around.Dont forget tht Robinson has battered many Bok scrums!

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 Sept 2013, 17:30
#4
26 Sept 2013, 17:30#4

 

Apart from Horwill returning to the mix, you pack remains much the same. That's where you were freight trained the last time round. What's changed to stop this from happening again this weekend? Horwill??

 

Your back line is decidedly weaker without O'Connor. You have Kuridrani and Tomane coming in. Both relatively inexperienced at test level. Clearly you rate them as a step up. Not sure why? 

 

Cooper is just plain useless. I doubt that will change this weekend. Genia has lost his mojo. White is nothing special.

 

Your pack will once again be running backwards, taking your loosies out of the picture while putting a lot of pressure on that red nosed clown Cooper.

 

Good luck ... reckon your gonna need it.

 

 

IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
26 Sept 2013, 17:36
#5
26 Sept 2013, 17:36#5

Mate Kuridrani and Tomane are quality players, the former being better all season than ANY jarpie! We do have ammo on the bench but the loosies are quality. robinson will give us a pretty good chance of squaring things at scrum time and nic white is a better tactical player than genia. toomua will come on early in the second half and that will boost us massively. dont get too cocky like after pasting argentina or you guys will end up crying again like after mendoza! haahaha! the wallabies have the beter backs and if they can get some intensity in the pack then they have a chance. we have a good record in south africa the past four years.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2013, 18:09
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26 Sept 2013, 18:09#6
Ihi I think the Wallabies have a reasonable chance - say about 30% - of winning on Saturday. I still think the Wallabies are going to lose - because of their inability to show strength in forward play. There is nothing wrong with your backline - that is if O'Connor was playing. Cooper was bad recently - but inherently he is better than Meyer as at flyhalf. McKenzie is wrong in not starting with Toomuah - who was miles better than Steyn in the Super 15 semi-final. I think McKenzie has too little scope to upgrade the forward selection - Meyer limits his own scope by selecting failed players. That is what weakens the Wallabies and Springbok teams. What the Wallabies should do is even if they win 30% of possession up front - is to get the ball away from the heavy and slow SA forwards and take it out wide at every opportunity - tiring the SA forwards out that way They must have enough players at breakdowns to ensure that they recover balls quickly enough and do the same regularly. Eventually there will be gaps in the Springbok defence. We have seen that strategy every time when the All Blacks do when they play the Springboks and it works every time.. If the Wallabies is successful in the above strategy - they can beat the Springboks. However, I still believe that they are going to lose on Saturday - but the winning margin of the Springboks is likely to be narrow. .
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2013, 18:09
#7
26 Sept 2013, 18:09#7
Ihi I think the Wallabies have a reasonable chance - say about 30% - of winning on Saturday. I still think the Wallabies are going to lose - because of their inability to show strength in forward play. There is nothing wrong with your backline - that is if O'Connor was playing. Cooper was bad recently - but inherently he is better than Meyer as at flyhalf. McKenzie is wrong in not starting with Toomuah - who was miles better than Steyn in the Super 15 semi-final. I think McKenzie has too little scope to upgrade the forward selection - Meyer limits his own scope by selecting failed players. That is what weakens the Wallabies and Springbok teams. What the Wallabies should do is even if they win 30% of possession up front - is to get the ball away from the heavy and slow SA forwards and take it out wide at every opportunity - tiring the SA forwards out that way They must have enough players at breakdowns to ensure that they recover balls quickly enough and do the same regularly. Eventually there will be gaps in the Springbok defence. We have seen that strategy every time when the All Blacks do when they play the Springboks and it works every time.. If the Wallabies is successful in the above strategy - they can beat the Springboks. However, I still believe that they are going to lose on Saturday - but the winning margin of the Springboks is likely to be narrow. .
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
26 Sept 2013, 18:15
#8
26 Sept 2013, 18:15#8

 This is a potential banana peal for the boks. As a fan my mind is only on reaking vengence on the all blacks and beating them once and for all. That said, we really need to get our heads back in the game and focus on Australia. The aussies played well against the lions in the first two games and if it wasn't for a slip they could have taken the series. They are getting stronger and even though they only won by 1 point, I won't write them off. 

 

All blacks is next week, for now its the wobblies. Looking forward to see if Du Preez makes a difference in his first starting role.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2013, 18:17
#9
26 Sept 2013, 18:17#9
Ceradyne Really - you are as thick as a brick. Even a player such as Morne is once in a blue moon forced to run with the ball when his kicking options are limited and a charge down possible - so he would run a few steps and pass the ball - but that is so rare that it is not worth mentioning as a common trait in his play. If you refer to the Stade Francais game - ten you are stilling living in dreamland. I said his kicking game was inadequate and you tried to make it out otherwise. If their is an ounce of logic in that thick skull and if your only brain cell is not malfunctioning - like it normally does - you would see clearly that Morne's standard game is inadequate. It may not cost a loss this Saturday - but a loss is inevitable next week against the All Blacks.
IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
26 Sept 2013, 18:20
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26 Sept 2013, 18:20#10

something we do lack is a big runner at 12. i like the way the boks take the ball off the back of a lineout and quickly punch up the middle of the field. new zealand break up the defence in the midfield with a big runner, like hore, franks or nonu and let carter choose whether to attack the same direction or come back. its great for making defenders get caught out tryiong to catch up with play. i think if the wallabies can adopt a smarter but simpler pattern they can expose the bok lack of mobility and find holes. but cooper is too slow to do this. i think we'll have some better scrumming and that could give us a better platform to attack from. but the lineout is the one thing that worries me, you cant attack off 2 ball and we have not much at the tail. mowen did well against new zealand but was nowhere against the boks. nic white does give the ability to play for field position and our best 40 minutes this year came from a smarter tactical kicking game. and JOC can get lost, the kid has horrible defence stats and cost us a few tries alone this year. he just doesnt offer enough in my opinion.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 Sept 2013, 18:21
#11
26 Sept 2013, 18:21#11

 

Ceradyne ... ???

IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
26 Sept 2013, 18:34
#12
26 Sept 2013, 18:34#12

Well, im off but ill make my prediction before i leave. RSA (17) v AUS (22). Idealistic yeah but what the hell. aussies to get it two tries to one.

AB
All Black NZClub Pro105 posts
27 Sept 2013, 13:26
#13
27 Sept 2013, 13:26#13
 Boks should be to strong for an average Wallaby team at home.  They should win
by at least 12.
WG
What's going on?Club Pro237 posts
27 Sept 2013, 13:32
#14
27 Sept 2013, 13:32#14
 

Wallabies written off.

 

Wallabies coach Ewen McKenzie feels his side has been virtually written off by the Springboks who see Saturday's rugby Test win as a formality.

 

The teams meet in the Rugby Championship at Newlands in Cape Town with South Africa buoyant after thumping Australia 38-12 in their last meeting in Brisbane.

 

The Springboks are gunning for a bonus point win to keep in touch with competition leaders New Zealand, who'll be aiming for a similar result against Argentina this weekend.

They can do that by scoring four or more tries.

 

The Wallabies are being given little chance of an upset, according to McKenzie.

"All we've read about is how much the Springboks are going to beat us by so we've taken note of that and we're looking forward to the opportunity," he said.

 

The Australians were stung by their Suncorp Stadium showing and see this Test as an opportunity to show their improvement under McKenzie, who took over from Robbie Deans in July.

 

"The one game we were disappointed in was the game against the Boks because we didn't feel like we got close to how we wanted to play so it's a chance for us to do much better," he said.

"We need to change their rhythm and make them play how they don't like to play.

"We had ideas about that and we didn't even get close last time so the challenge for us is to make that happen."

 

While their recent one-point win over Argentina wasn't pretty, the Australians were happy with how they adapted their game plan in the tough Perth conditions.

 

McKenzie said they would try to play running rugby but had to be smart about it and the current trend was for teams to kick for field position rather than carry the ball out of their half.

"Being a smart team means you recognise the circumstances and adapt accordingly," he said.

"Teams want to spend their time in the opposition's half because you don't know which way it's going to go on the penalty side of things."

 

The Wallabies were out-muscled by the burly Boks in Brisbane, with the selection of big Fijian-born outside centre Tevita Kuridrani designed to help counter this.

Versatile veteran Adam Ashley-Cooper has shifted to the wing to allow the Brumbies No.13 to play in his preferred position.

 

"He's our most experienced backline player so him moving around is far easier with the other guys coming in and playing in their preferred position," McKenzie said of Ashley-Cooper.

"What we have ended up with is a fairly physically imposing backline so we've got some size there and we'll be able to put some pressure on through our backline."   Yahoo 

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
27 Sept 2013, 13:59
#15
27 Sept 2013, 13:59#15
 Like I said write em off at your own peril.
PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
28 Sept 2013, 01:28
#16
28 Sept 2013, 01:28#16
 Think your all being very modest this Australian side is one of the most pathetic teams I've ever seen with a pathetic excuse for a coach. Australian rugby is a shambles there is no coordination on the field and none off it. If SA don't completely destroy and put them away I'd be very surprised .......did any of you watch the amateur hour in Perth...disgraceful. Argentina were damn unfortunate not to clean them up. SA to win by 20 points , at least.
PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
28 Sept 2013, 01:31
#17
28 Sept 2013, 01:31#17
Redsman....you got to be kidding. If I was a wallabies supporter I wouldn't voice any opinion. Because no one will really give a shit.  
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