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South Africa versus Wales: Wake up call or danger signs?; The Roar By biltongbek

Started by Just_win6 REPLIES179 VIEWS· 23 Jun 2014, 09:38
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 Jun 2014, 09:38
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23 Jun 2014, 09:38#1

Prior to Saturday’s match between South Africa and Wales, Heyneke Meyer suggested that the Springboks are in search of the perfect match. In 2012 Meyer’s aim was to improve a few percentage points every match.

In June 2013 Scotland arrived in South Africa alongside Italy and Samoa for a short Quad Nations tournament.

Their squad included a host of inexperienced player making their way into contention for international colours.

Incidentally similar to Wales this weekend, the Scotland encounter was also played at Nelspruit.

In both these matches South Africa lost most of the contact areas, their inability to adapt to the breakdown on the day meant they struggled to maintain momentum. The Springboks had slow starts and had to come from behind to win.

Scotland and Wales both slowed the game down with trickeries prior to set phases once in front, and this further prevented the Springboks a chance to gain momentum.

Morne Steyn may be Meyer’s first choice fly half, but his inability to break the line, his slowness off the mark even when presented with a gaping hole and his indecision on attack does not provide South Africa with the necessary space or front foot ball to attack out wide.

The Welsh were winning the collisions for much of the game, which should be a huge concern for Meyer.

Richie Grey has been appointed as the breakdown coach until the Rugby World Cup, and after being with South Africa for over a season will be rather disappointed with the performance.

Is it a case of the Springboks simply underestimating Wales after the solid win the previous week, or is it a case of the Springboks still failing to adapt during match day?

Either way, it is alarming to think that when a team decides to front up physically, South African players lose their focus and forget the processes that must surely have been trained into them by now.

When Frans Steyn returned to the Springbok camp after his stint in France he had the habit of tackling the ball, rather than the ball carrier, and Alex Cuthbert ran through three South African defenders all going for the ball rather than the ball carrier.

Their technique failed dismally on the day.

The one positive that can be taken out of the match is the focus, guts and patience shown by the Springboks to ultimately come away with the win, and in all fairness the fact that they won a match while being beaten in most facets is commendable.

However, after watching the Wallabies and All Blacks earlier, there is a lot of work ahead for Heyneke Meyer, plus some tough selection issues.

Steyn is a metronome with the boot, but his attacking play is woefully short at international level. Flip van der Merwe continuously has discipline issues, and was again carded for illegally playing a Welsh player in the air.

Schalk Burger has been a cult hero in South Africa, but sadly he is a beast no more.

Here’s hoping Meyer heeds this wake-up 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 Jun 2014, 09:44
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23 Jun 2014, 09:44#2
This article is from an Ozzie Forum. He's not too hot on Steyn but offers no alternative. 
Flip gets the usual hammering for his discipline problems: pushing that guys leg up while he was in the air was plain stupid. A yellow card with no potential gain for his team - just plain stupid.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Jun 2014, 11:28
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23 Jun 2014, 11:28#3
 Oh my pushing a guys leg up a wee tad deserves a yellow. What is the game coming too! May as well take up bowls Flip. My sincere condolences Flip but do remember we are dealing with a nz ref! 
What I would like to know - who was that TMO who awarded Wales a try!!!!! Knock forward plus ball rolled over line!!! The guy must be suspended at a minimum - ditto the nz TMO in the junior Boks game. Cant let oaks get away with these things. It's bringing the game into disrepute big time and when no action is taken the problem is worsened and grows. Makes things a farce. Both these TMOs should be facing disciplinary boards.



3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
23 Jun 2014, 11:43
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23 Jun 2014, 11:43#4
 Yeah I agree RE TMO's but all countries TMO's are pretty poor not just NZ.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 Jun 2014, 12:17
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23 Jun 2014, 12:17#5

Walsh made the decision on the Welsh try not the TMO. Walsh said in real time the player had contact with the ball & therefore no knock-on. Walsh did ok in that game as a ref. Boks were lucky to win it but when you are having a bad day you need luck.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
23 Jun 2014, 12:45
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23 Jun 2014, 12:45#6
 
To catch a wake up you'll first have to acknowledge you were wrong to begin with, that you have made blunder after blunder and that you now see the truth of it all.

This arse of a coach is still making excuses. It hasn't dawned on him that there's a problem.

It seems he's not doing this deliberately. He seriously doesn't know that he doesn't know.

The Goats are deeper in the dwang than first thought.





CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jun 2014, 13:28
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23 Jun 2014, 13:28#7
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I think that Meyer probably realize where he is making mistakes in selection - but too pig-headed to change players - since it may reflect back on him personally.   I can see a completely different team taking the field in the CR - without the failed players he insisted on in the present series.   Matter of fact - I cannot see him starting with players like Pietersen at 13 and Morne at 10 again.  He is also likely to put Matfield on the bench at best.   
I expect the starting line-up of the Springboks for the RC to look like the following:-
15   Le Roux,  14 Pietersen,  13 De Allende, 12 De Villiers,  11  Habana,  10  Pollard, 9 Du Preez,  8  Vermeulen,  7  Labuschagne, 6  Louw,  5  Etzebeth,  4  De Jager,  3  Malherbee,  2 Bismarck, 1 Mtawarire
Bench :  16 Strauss,  17  Nyakane,  18  Coenie.  19  Matfield,  20  Coetzee,  21  Reinach,  22  Goosen,  23  Hendricks
That would comply with the BEE requirement as well and cut out the low-workrate players and the passengers.  I would add the following players to make up the player squad:-
Lambie. Serfotein,  Mvovo, Van der Merwe, Flippie and Rhodes/Lewies to the squad in the case of injuries.  ( Like Rhodes - he can be utilized either as a lock or a loosie).
In the RC the fast-moving game can be countered and participated in by the above.     It will also be moving to be getting rid of the following over 30 players:-
Morne Steyn, Ruan Pienaar, Willem Alberts, Schalk Burger, Bakkies Botha and Jannie du Plessis.   
None of the above 6 "geriatrics"  will make it to the WC in any event.  Other over-30's unlikely to make it to the WC includes, Victor Matfield and Fourie du Preez as well and I hope Meyer realizes that Jacque Fourie is a lost cause as well.    


        
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