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South African fans are pitiful.

Started by Shezza18 REPLIES1,038 VIEWS· 08 Dec 2019, 13:45
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
08 Dec 2019, 13:45
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08 Dec 2019, 13:45#1

Nienaber is reportedly set to be announced as the new head coach, with Deon Davids being offered a role as assistant. 


Across rugby news outlets the comments sections are filled with people opining their disgruntlement that Rassie has picked a 'yes man'. 


Now if we look outwardly at our Kiwi cousins, they have practised this method of promoting within and have garnered much success and has become a supported way of succession for the head coach. 


Winning a RWC is all the merit you need, especially when the key factor for winning the World Cup was that persons responsibility. Nienabers' defensive system has been an identifying feature for our wins, I don't understand South Africans resentment for this choice, it's completely illogical and reeks of prejudice.  

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sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
08 Dec 2019, 14:01
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08 Dec 2019, 14:01#2
My only reservation with Nienaber is that he has no head coach experience. However, it seems Rassie will still be doing lot of the coaching. He and Rassie have a strong working relationship, so he might just be an extension of Rassie.
It is not clear who the attack coach will be, as there have to be a few quotas in the management team. Stick is a quota with limited coaching experience in XV man rugby. He does not appear to have a role because he is not formally the attack coach- I think he might be skills coach. 
Davids appeared to be promising in SuperRugby, but he was hopeless in Pro14. So at this stage, it is not clear if he is a merit selection, or just to appease the ANC. 


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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
08 Dec 2019, 14:26
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08 Dec 2019, 14:26#3
Probably should have titled this thread as 'South African fans are ungrateful' rather than 'pitiful'. Oh well, I've thrown the grenade now. 
Context needs to be applied in the Kings case, I never watched them in the Pro14 under Davids and I doubt many did. I know the union has many issues but I don't know them, I just know they are unique and leave them at a huge disadvantage. 
He has quite a lot of experience, especially when you compare him to pre-Bok's Snorre, and I believe he is worth being given the role as assistant. His aptitude for attack during the Kings last campaign is Super Rugby has potential to round of the Boks defence oriented approach. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Dec 2019, 14:53
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08 Dec 2019, 14:53#4

When Jake White became Springbok coach, he had less of a track record than Davids...IMO...and yes, South Africans are a fickle argumentative nation...which actually leads to excellence...we don't accept  anything on face value and question everything...the actual way things are supposed to be. 

I think Davids might be a good option in the absence of anyone else breaking the door down.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Dec 2019, 14:54
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08 Dec 2019, 14:54#5

PS, Nienaber is the obvious choice...can't understand why this is even an issue...it's a no-brainer.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Dec 2019, 18:40
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08 Dec 2019, 18:40#6

No NZ head  coach has given up the reigns after 2  years.....except the failures. So having an assistant coach take the reigns after 2 years with no head coach experience is a bit of a leap.

If Rassie had done a full 4 years or the 6 years now available it would make a lot of sense. That said Nienaber won the WC for us and I'd be happy with him, provided we have a proper backline coach. And provided Rassie finds the right role....it wont work if Eraser tries to be a puppet master.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Dec 2019, 23:42
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08 Dec 2019, 23:42#7

Ignorance is bliss!!!!   LMAO

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Dec 2019, 22:04
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09 Dec 2019, 22:04#8
As long as Rassie stays hands on on the field as he has said he will it will not matter who the head coach is. Nienaber is the obvious choice as he has been Rassie’s right hand man for ages and won’t question Rassie still pulling the strings in their relationship as he has always done
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2019, 15:52
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10 Dec 2019, 15:52#9

Success has many fathers.....this was you just before the WC Dave;

'Jean is Munsters go to enforcer lock, a brute of a man who was good for WP. 

He only qualified for Ireland last month and is set to be included in the Irish squad ahead of Devon Toner. 

Another big loss to SA rugby 

Had Rassie been astute enough he would have capped Willemse and Kleyn before other tests nations grabbed them.'

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2019, 15:57
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10 Dec 2019, 15:57#10

And Dave......ye of little faith.....this was your Rassie take in 2018:



It’s a better side than the one that played against the Argies. 

Not a fan of PSDT at 7 but he is a better option than Louw in the trio. 

Whitely is a waste of space at 8 not a test 8’s backside. 

Wilco Louw should be starting ahead of Malherbe, but Malherbe has been good but Wilco is just far better. 

RG Snyman should be ahead of powder puff Mostert and leaving Marx out is suicide 

It’s a better side but still far from the mark. Rassie is very disappointing - something we have become accustomed to with Bok coaches. All fucking useless. Give the job to a Kiwi I say

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2019, 16:10
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10 Dec 2019, 16:10#11


Saffex

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Sep 27, 2019, 01:22

Jake White was nothing without Eddie Jones. In the two years leading up to the WC Jakes record was so poor he was on the verge of being sacked 

Eddie was brought in to save his arse 

Jake White is not close to being the measure 

As for Rassie, I’m yet to be convinced but he is already better than the likes of Meyer, de Villiers and Coetzee in terms of impression 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2019, 16:12
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10 Dec 2019, 16:12#12

Hell Dave basis Eddie's awful coaching blunders against the Boks.....the claim that Eddie won the 2007 WC looks pretty feeble. Perhaps Eddie should have brought in Jake in 2019!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2019, 16:15
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10 Dec 2019, 16:15#13


Saffex

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Oct 18, 2019, 21:23

I’d have gone with Rassie’s choice at 15 with Willie and Gelant as backup. 

My wings would have been Nkosi and Dyanti but given the Dyanti demise I probably would have gone with Duhan vd Merwe 

Rassie’s choice of Kolbe has been brilliant and certainly trumps my call 

My centres would have been Serfontein and Kriel. I’m not sure how injured Serfontein is so given it’s a close call between de Allende and Serfontein, I’m more than happy with Rassie’s choice at 12. I rate Am and would have included Janse v Rensburg in my squad. 

I’m with Rassie at 9 & 10 including the back ups in Elton, Reinach and Jantjies 

At loosehead Kitshoff walks it with Pierre Schoeman as backup. 

Marx at 2 regardless of a slight dip in form. Bongi is a great backup. 

Wilco Louw is my obvious choice at 3, why Rassie selected him and then lost faith is beyond me. The guy is a rock. Nyakane and Malherbe are good. 

Locks are hard to choose when it comes to Eben’s partner, which includes PSDT at lock. 

Tough call between PSDT, RG and Lood. I’d go with the most talented being RG 

At 6 it would be Kolisi or Jaco Kriel, Id go with Kolisi. 

At 7 it would be between JL du Preez and Jacques du Plessis, with the bigger du Plessis getting my call 

At 8 it would have been Marcel Coetzee or Dan du Preez, with Marcel pipping it but only just. 

Rassie’s call of Vermeulen has been solid and physical so no complaints there 

My side: 

15. Willie 14. Nkosi 13. Kriel 12. Serfontein 11. Duhan vd Merwe 9. Faf 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Louw 4. Etzebeth 5. Snyman 6. Kolisi 7. du Plessis 8. Coetzee 

That’s 9 different calls - only Kolbe trumps my original choice and I’d certainly pick him now ahead of vd Merwe

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2019, 16:20
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10 Dec 2019, 16:20#14

Well that should perk things up.....what do you have to say Dave. It seems you only appreciated the prophet after he won!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2019, 22:26
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10 Dec 2019, 22:26#15
Yep I have said I was on the fence with Rassie after year one, but I started smiling more and more this year and his masterminding the WC clinched the deal for me. I’m a fan. No coach is perfect - some of his selections are crap like Mostert and Frans Steyn and some of his omissions are glaring like the du Preez twins, JVR etc I’m sold - Rassie is a class act he proved it this WC
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
17 Dec 2019, 09:29
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17 Dec 2019, 09:29#16

Well of course Davids must be brought in.

Stick is leaning his trade ... at test level ... so why not bring someone else of colour in to sit along side him in class.

They can swap notes and ideas ... maybe get a study group going.

Eish!!!

De nu Sout Afreeka!!



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Dec 2019, 14:26
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17 Dec 2019, 14:26#17

Stick is bringing something new to the table with his 7s background...and we are still world champs till 2023, despite all this nonsense.

 You choose to focus on all the negative stuff...I prefer to focus on the positive...and it doesn't get any better than winning a RWC, yet you prefer to p!ss on the achievement... Dis tyd dat jy jou prioriteite agtermekaar kry.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
17 Dec 2019, 14:54
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17 Dec 2019, 14:54#18

Thanks for the advice, Draad.

My priorities differ from yours it seems. You accept any old riff raff into the Goat mix ... both as player and as coach.

I on the other hand believe that hard work earns you the right in life. See the difference?

Stick pushed his cupped hands out in front of him (as they usually do) and was rewarded with a handout ... as did Kolisi, Bongi and Elton Jantjies ... so thanks a lot for your concern, but I think I'll keep my priorities exactly where they are.



DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Dec 2019, 17:01
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17 Dec 2019, 17:01#19

Indeed, I shouldn't judge you. I actually understand where you are coming from. I see things a tad differently, but I can't fault you for your stance...still a great RWC win...pity you can't enjoy it.

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