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Sprinbok centres scoring propensity

Started by Mozart35 REPLIES1,652 VIEWS· 19 Jun 2018, 19:17
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jun 2018, 19:17
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19 Jun 2018, 19:17#1
If your centres aren't going to score tries, who is? This is one of the prime scoring positions and scoring tries is one of the primary centre functions. So here are the rankings of recent centres: Player /tests/tries/ tests to score a try. Jacques Fourie 72/32/2.25 Jean de Villers 109/37/2.9 JJ Englebrecht 12/4/3.0 Marius Joubert 30/9/3.3 Jessie Kriel 31/8/3.87 Adi Jacobs 34/7/4.85 Juan de Jongh 19/3/6.33 Big Gap Damien Duh Allende 30/3/10.0
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2018, 00:56
#2
20 Jun 2018, 00:56#2

Back to the same BS - selective galore without any content and circumstances not evaluated.   What a farce,   Just a question - how many of those tries were scored when Meyer  and Coetzee were coaching?   How many times did players start and how many times did they come from the bench?

Typical Mozart concoction to prove what???????        

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jun 2018, 00:59
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20 Jun 2018, 00:59#3
But to be fairer we shouldn't count off the bench tests as full tests. So I include only full tests in the test count here: Player /full tests/tries/ tests to score a try. Jacques Fourie 59/32/1.84 JJ Englebrecht 9/4/2.25 Jean de Villers 105/37/2.84 Adi Jacobs 21/7/3.00 Marius Joubert 28/9/3.2 Jessie Kriel 31/8/3.37 Juan de Jongh 11/3/3.67 Moorse of a Big Gap Damien Duh Allende 23/3/7.66 So excluding tests played off the bench in the test count, Allende's strike is less than half of any other South African centre on the list. This is typical for a process player...a non competitor.....one who is going through the motions rather than actually trying to change the result.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2018, 01:25
#4
20 Jun 2018, 01:25#4

Mozart

Are you nuts?   Backline players were cut out by Meyer and Coetzee from scoring tries - they used playing methods to cut out backline players from scoring tries - like for instance using loosies as stand-in flyhalfs destroying backline play - so answer that question as well/   

By the way in how many tests in which De Allende start? No lies please - I have ample reason not to believe what you write - so I will check what you come up with,   You started off with a lie as well - 30 tests - he only played in 26 tests - so your 23 is a lie as well

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jun 2018, 01:46
#5
20 Jun 2018, 01:46#5
Centres score tries....not Duh Allende. Even Kriel and the mediocre JJ scored tries.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Jun 2018, 02:03
#6
20 Jun 2018, 02:03#6

Coetzee and Heynie used patterns and plays to give players 2v2s and 3v3s etc. Rugby smarts is not a Bok strong point. Mike just say it the way it is. Don't make stuff up. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2018, 02:35
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20 Jun 2018, 02:35#7
What about the real figures  as to test appearances Mozart? 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2018, 02:52
#8
20 Jun 2018, 02:52#8

Lurker

I will  give you just one example -  in the  WC semi in 2015 The scrummie passed the ball 42 times and Pollard received just 13 of those.   In that case the passes to Pollard was virtually all aimed at making of relieving kicks.

I have never noted any backline any implementation of any backline strategy as described by you [ if there was one - Meyer and Coetzee must have kept the implementation part a secret from the public and the players as well/

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jun 2018, 04:03
#9
20 Jun 2018, 04:03#9
Real figures....you just saw them. I can't help it if you never realized Duh Allende is such a damp squibb.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Jun 2018, 04:18
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20 Jun 2018, 04:18#10

ouMaaik, Wiki says 30 Tests & 3 tries

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jun 2018, 05:17
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20 Jun 2018, 05:17#11
From the Springbok Hall of Fame: Damian de Allende Full names: Damian Date of birth: 25 Nov 1991 Place of birth: Cape Town School: Milnerton Springbok no: 862 Debut test province: Western Province Physical: 1.89m, 101kg Current age: 26 Test summary: Tests: 30 Tries: 3 First Test: 16 Aug 2014 Age:22 Outside Centre against Argentina at Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria Last Test: 16 Jun 2018 Age:26 Inside Centre against England at Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein ...... Care to apologize Tokkie or will you try to worm your way out of this?
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Jun 2018, 07:51
#12
20 Jun 2018, 07:51#12

I'm going to be disappointed if Esterhuizen doesn't get an opportunity on Sat.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Jun 2018, 09:24
#13
20 Jun 2018, 09:24#13

" Sprinbok" ... ??? Haaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaa!!! Mike's left his mark has he?


De Allende is about as poor a center as one can get.

The only thing he has going for him is his weight. He uses it to smash his way through the defensive line ... and if that doesn't work, he goes to ground with the ball and the entire movement dies a miserable death right there and then. 

He is a weed with no upper body strength, as we saw against the smaller Mike Brown, who he couldn't take down with near on 10m to work with.

Throw in the lack of intellect and what you have is a bozo trying to strip the ball with our tryline in plain sight.

LOL!!

WHAT IS HE STILL DOING IN THE BOK MIX??

Surely Rassie can't be that desperate?

 

  

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Jun 2018, 09:47
#14
20 Jun 2018, 09:47#14

Lol Dom Linda's stats looking horrible.

How on earth does he have 30 caps???

To my mind a centre should have guile and when not running with the ball be the grease between 10 and the other backs.

Linda is just nothing a centre should be.

Maybe I'm bias but if I am then it's not without reason.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Jun 2018, 09:53
#15
20 Jun 2018, 09:53#15

No matter how many times Mike wants to polish this turd ... it'll always remain a turd.

Simply useless.  


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Jun 2018, 10:01
#16
20 Jun 2018, 10:01#16

What I have difficulty understanding is how such a big physical unit allows himself to be so easily ( kiwi speak "easypeasy") stripped of the ball .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2018, 10:56
#17
20 Jun 2018, 10:56#17

Mozart

I re-checked the numbers of tests played   and they are as follows:-

Argentina       9   (2014  -  2)(2015  -  3)( 2016  - 2)(2017 -  2)

Australia        1    (2015 -  1)

England         2    (2018  -  2)

Ireland           3    (2016  -  3)

Italy               1    (2017  -  1)

New Zealand  5   (2015  -  2)(2016  - 1)(2017   -  2)

Samoa            1   (2015)

Scotland         1   (2015)

United States  1  (2015)

Wales             2  (2015  -   1)(2018  - 1)

If - liar you can find any other tests he played in you are welcome to do so.    In all he played in 27 tests - not 30 as claimed by you.   A quick check indicated he was on the bench 7 times - so the total is 20 starting tests.

Now you must answer my other question - how many tries were scored by backline players in tests since 2014?   It was minimal because of the crazy Meyer and non-existent Coetzee game plans.   The only players who really scored tries were Habana (3), Kriel (2) and the scrummies (2).   

I agree that De Allende should have scored more tries - but the fact is the non-existent game plans removed ball possession from backline players and they rarely scored tries in that period.

So apologize liar.    .     

 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2018, 10:56
#18
20 Jun 2018, 10:56#18

Duplication

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2018, 10:58
#19
20 Jun 2018, 10:58#19

CC

I do not polish a turd - but I defend players against lies and distortions by members.  

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Jun 2018, 11:04
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20 Jun 2018, 11:04#20

This directly from your beloved ESPN, Mike:

Span Mat Start Sub Pts Tries Conv Pens Drop Won Lost Draw %
2014-2018 30 23 7 15 3 0 0 0 15 14 1 51.66 Profile

30 Tests, 23 starts.

2 against Aus, not 1 as you claim (2015 & 2017)

3 against England, not 2 as you claim (2016 & 2018)

4 against Ireland, not 3 as you claim (2016 & 2017)

Mozart's figures are spot on, yours are wrong.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Jun 2018, 11:09
#21
20 Jun 2018, 11:09#21

This now begs the question: as someone who almost lives on ESPN stats, how the hell did you get this wrong when it is there in plain view?

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Jun 2018, 11:20
#22
20 Jun 2018, 11:20#22

Haaaahahahahahaa!!

Hmmm??

What were you saying about distorting the facts, Mike?


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XaviPro1,924 posts
20 Jun 2018, 12:15
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20 Jun 2018, 12:15#24
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Jun 2018, 12:45
#25
20 Jun 2018, 12:45#25


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Jun 2018, 12:47
#26
20 Jun 2018, 12:47#26

Xavi, I'm sure it's an honest mistake...and Mike has apologized for being wrong in the past. Even to Moz. Not much, but he did...once or twice.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Jun 2018, 12:53
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20 Jun 2018, 12:53#27

Mike

You know everyone here appreciates your posts. 

There just seems to be something weird going on with you of late. I for one have certainly noticed a change in how you go about things. Anyway even if i disagree with you, it's just my opinion and nothing personally against you. 

I have a question though...

What happens if Esterhuizen gets a start this week and does better than De Allende has done in the previous two games?

Do we put faith in him and give him a run out in the 4N and then force DDA to win the jersey back from him?

That would seem a reasonable approach right?

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Jun 2018, 13:11
#28
20 Jun 2018, 13:11#28

There just seems to be something weird going on with you of late. I for one have certainly noticed a change in how you go about things.

Actually Plum, he's been operating like this for many years. I've lost count of the amount of times he's been busted for this exact type of thing.

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XaviPro1,924 posts
20 Jun 2018, 17:13
#29
20 Jun 2018, 17:13#29

@ DB

Probably is a mistake like his reporting of Morne and PSG??

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,224 posts
20 Jun 2018, 18:19
#30
20 Jun 2018, 18:19#30

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,224 posts
20 Jun 2018, 18:32
#31
20 Jun 2018, 18:32#31
I have always requested a referral link when quoting statistics. It is unacceptable to quote stats without providing the source.


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generaltitPro3,164 posts
20 Jun 2018, 22:23
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20 Jun 2018, 22:23#32

Nothing here makes sense here not anymore but always from begining to end never has and still doesn't while these tendious feuds carry on and on....bullshit and distortions and bias gets fired from one cannon in the SW Cape across the ocean to the industrial cesspool of Northern America day from east to west and then back again, in and day out...using rugby issues to weakly prove one issue or another....equally it's claptrap, codswallop and bullshit from one side to another...it's time to stop and do something that's sensible.

Good news, I don't want to get involved and take part in any of these mindless degradation of each other and their pet players by peculiar men that have fascination of young men or dislike in shorts and rugby jerseys...something very odd here...true rugby in it's context is never objectively (without emotion ) is never discussed here, only with emotion that is not normal.

I'm sick and tired of it and I can guarantee there's a lot of others.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jun 2018, 23:23
#33
20 Jun 2018, 23:23#33
Oh ffs another drunken Chabal rant
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2023, 21:24
#34
02 Oct 2023, 21:24#34

Just to show Dud Allende was outed 5 years ago at least.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Oct 2023, 21:27
#35
02 Oct 2023, 21:27#35
The same DA regarded as the best 12 in the game last year?
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Oct 2023, 21:28
#36
02 Oct 2023, 21:28#36

He was outed earlier then that, but it wasn't very popular. Here's some more food for thought. 

https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/rugby/some-centre-stats--/41023/

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