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Springbok team against Samoa

Started by sharkbok22 REPLIES500 VIEWS· 17 Jun 2013, 01:40
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,298 posts
17 Jun 2013, 01:40
#1
17 Jun 2013, 01:40#1

Not sure when it is being announced. I would give most of the bench players and squad players a run in preparation for the 4 Nations. The team I would select for Saterday would be:

 

15: Willie Leroux- has the distribution skills and running lines to create space and tries

 

14:  JJ Engelbreght - Should get another run, but their has to be a place for Serfontein to start. Devilliers is going to be on the starting team.

 

13: Devilliers- If we get a good lead quickly I would substitute him and put JJ back at 13

 

12: Serfontein- He has to start. That try he scored against Scotland was amazing. In some respects the defence may have been poor as players just seemed to slip of him, but maybe he is that quick

 

10: Lambie- played crap for most of the season at the Sharks but maybe he can come right for the boks. Also Morne is going overseas.

 

11 Habana-

 

9: Van Zyl- Pienaar was terribale, but the ball he was given was just as bad. Van Zyl looks quicker.

 

8: Laberschagne- Good allrounder. Plays onto the ball, and also a strong carrier. Strong defence and link player

 

7: Alberts- The man mountain when in form creates allot of space as it takes half a team to pull him down. Strong carrier only. I would play him for 60 minutes and substitute him for a more mobile flank

 

6: Louw- Also a good allrounder

 

5: Bruno 

 

4: Flip Van Dermerve

 

3: Anyone except Jannie

 

2: Adrian Strauss

 

1: Coenie- Good at getting turnovers and competing at the ruck

 

Bench

Bismaark- if Strauss is having a good game, maybe bring Bismaark on as a loose forward. With the top 2 hookers in the team, this could be a way to get them both on the pitch. This would also improve rucking

 

Aplon

 

 

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
17 Jun 2013, 04:20
#2
17 Jun 2013, 04:20#2

Thank God you're not picking the team. Flip at 5, that's a stupid choice, even when you could've chosen Etzebeth who's had experience at 5 in a test (part of the Italy game). Then you chose Labashagne at 8 just to accommodate Alberts at 7, he's slow and is ineffective at carrying the ball. JJ at the wing is also a bad idea...

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,298 posts
17 Jun 2013, 04:28
#3
17 Jun 2013, 04:28#3

 Apart from saying it is stupid, do you have your own selection instead? 

Etzbeth should be at 5 with Flip at 4. Not many other locks in the squad to choose from.

I would even consider Labashagne at six because he has made more turnovers in the SuperXV than most openside flankers.

Alberts to bring physicality. 

 

Alberts inneffective at carrying the ball? Did you happen to watch the tests last year against England.

Here probably made the most metres of any forward for the Sharks in the SuperXV 2012

Here is some footage of Alberts including his carries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi-5Y8YNlfQ

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2013, 07:50
#4
17 Jun 2013, 07:50#4
Sharkbok The first English test last year was against an English team that was slightly below par and Alberts did some ball carrying of significance. In later tests he did near to zero of that kind - and he became totally ineffective. Alberts is too slow to be effective in recovery of balls from breakdowns and play no role in that component of the game. His tackle count is too low to be effective in that regard. I do not regard him as a really effective all-round loosie. Ball recovery from breakdowns is one of the issues Meyer got blood pressure about - but he constantly pick the wrong loosies and do not know why it does not happen. Shezza What is wrong with Engelbrecht playing on the wing? Throughout his rugby playing career until he moved to the Bulls - he was a wing - not a center. He has defence deficiencies at center - as he still try to play at a defensive wing would do.
CH
CheisNewbie7 posts
17 Jun 2013, 16:17
#5
17 Jun 2013, 16:17#5

 i'd play:

1 beast

2straus (impact bismarck

3coenie

4 flip vdM

5 etzebeth

6 louw

7 lappies

8 alberts (in second half, get kolisi in at 6, louw 7 and lappies 8). Alberts at 8 you could his tackle-breaking runs, but still have lappies and fLouw as ballwinners...

9 piet v zyl

10lambie (give him some time on the field)

11 habana/basson (depending on 14)

12 JS

13 JDV

14 JJ/habana

15 willie le roux

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
17 Jun 2013, 17:11
#6
17 Jun 2013, 17:11#6

 Nice team Cheis - would not be disappointed if that team took the field

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2013, 18:08
#7
17 Jun 2013, 18:08#7
Cheis Welcome to the Board. I would like to see that team proposed by you being selected - but Meyer would never go so far and the team will be a repeat of most of the failing players he would pick routinely. There are only three Bulls players in your selections - Meyer would never allow for that to happen
SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
17 Jun 2013, 18:53
#8
17 Jun 2013, 18:53#8
my team 15 Chrysander Botha, 14 Deon van Rensburg 13 Stokkies Hanekom 12 Alwyn Hollenbach 11 Anthony Volmink 10 Marnitz Boshoff 9 Michael Bondesio 8 Warren Whiteley (captain) 7 Warwick Tecklenburg 6 Jaco Kriel 5 Hugo Kloppers 4 Gavin Annandale 3 Ruan Dreyer 2 Robbie Coetzee 1 JC Janse van Rensburg
NT
ntangaClub Pro336 posts
17 Jun 2013, 19:04
#9
17 Jun 2013, 19:04#9
@ Cheis, I would probably bring the Beast as an impact player this time around, and start Trevor with Connie. Having done that, I'd also bring Robert Ebersohn for Test Level Trial.
SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
17 Jun 2013, 19:12
#10
17 Jun 2013, 19:12#10
Where are they playing btw? Hope its not at Hoerskool Ganspan or at HTS Putsonderwater rugby fields where the whole town fill up half the stadium
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
17 Jun 2013, 19:54
#11
17 Jun 2013, 19:54#11

meyer wont be feeling too comfortable with manu samoas progress in the quad tournament, hes going to be fielding his full strength team.

there will be no changes to the starting line up and im not expecting lappies to even make the 22, though IMO he should be starting.
if alberts is fit, the loose forward trio will 6 louw, 7 w alberts, 8 p spies, 20 m coetzzee.

theres room in the team for some changes, but i really cant see meyer doing so, if the Boks get of to a slow start like they did against the scots, they could find themsleves in big trouble like the wallabies did against manu samoa in 2011.really looking forward to this game.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jun 2013, 19:59
#12
17 Jun 2013, 19:59#12

 very nice selection Sharkbok.Cheis your selection is also fine and warm welcome to the board..

To me if there was one test Morne should start its at loftus he knows that ground backwards.

Given the size of the Samoan backs its not a bad idea to move JJ to the wing and bring Jan in at center.

We need to add clout to the pack. Picking Etzebeth and Flip is perfectly logical.Chies keeping Strauss retains some needed mobilty. labbers should get a chance. Prove himself here physically and he is on his way. He is the ideal loosie in many respects for a fast highveldt game.

Ou maaaikie  you are like a totally stuck record re Meyer and bulls players. Only bulle totally unworthy at the moment is spies. 

BB
Bok -Bef$KClub Pro216 posts
18 Jun 2013, 14:27
#13
18 Jun 2013, 14:27#13

Mine would be:

15) Le Roux

14) Habana

13) JJ

12) Serfontein

11) Basson

10) Morne

9) Van Zyl (Pienaar showed again he is terrible)

8) Louw

7) Kolisi

6) Lappies

5) Etzebeth

4) Flip (Kruger is anonymous)

3) Coenie

2) Strauss c

1) Nykane (Beast is a weak link)

 

16) Beast

17) Jannie

18) Bismarck

20) Alberts

21) Pienaar

22) JDV

23) Lambie

 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2013, 15:21
#14
18 Jun 2013, 15:21#14
Mine would be: 15. le Roux 14. Mvovo 13. JJ 12. Serfontein 11. Habana 10. Lambie 9. v/Zyl 1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. Coenie 4. Lood de Jager 5. Etzebeth 6. Kolisi 7. Labascagne 8. Coetzee 16. Strauss 17. Nkanyane 18. Jannie 19. Flip 20. Brussouw 21. Groom 22. Jantjies 23. de Allende
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
18 Jun 2013, 15:42
#15
18 Jun 2013, 15:42#15

 Like your team Saffex. Is Lood in the bok Squad? 

I do think that Kolisi is a better 7 than a 6, thats where he played for WP 2 years ago and he was far more effective as an attacking player. He showed on Saturday how easily he can break the line compare to our other loose forwards that just likes to crash it up.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jun 2013, 01:04
#16
19 Jun 2013, 01:04#16
No king, Lood is not in the squad, but he should be as he is better than Flip and Kruger. I wont even bother commenting on the useless Franco v/d Merwe who is also now in the squad. Meyer has no idea. Kolisi is not big enough for 7. Openside is his spot
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jun 2013, 01:14
#17
19 Jun 2013, 01:14#17
Saffex While I largely agree with your suggested team - your whole argument is destroyed by the inclusion of Jantjies on the bench - he was the worst flyhalf in Super 15 by a proverbial mile and it is nuts to have him anywhere near the squad at all. I would rather have Catrakillis around then him. How I wish fo the return of Goosen - he is desperately needed. And I do not think that Kolisi should replace Louw - Kolisi is a reasonably good flank forward - but harmless in breakdown situations where a number 6 has to play a major role.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jun 2013, 01:22
#18
19 Jun 2013, 01:22#18

Wrong Jantjies was good in his last few games and he would be ideal off the bench. Catrakillis is a nice little player at S15 level but thats where it ends. Kolisi was better than Louw and he effected one turnover and was great with ball in hand. Give me Kolisi or Brussouw at 6 anyday. Louw is better suited to 7

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jun 2013, 02:38
#19
19 Jun 2013, 02:38#19
We have to find out if JJ can play 13...Samoa is a good test. Jean is struggling, leave him out against the thugs. Of course that means Serfontein could get hurt. Remember Hougaard in 2003. Put some big buggers in the loosies....Labuschagne, Kolisi and Coetzee will get snapped like twigs. And get Lambie in there, it makes no sense playing Morne if he can't play in the RC.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jun 2013, 03:28
#20
19 Jun 2013, 03:28#20
Mozart Which big buggers in loosie position produce anything? Are you talking of the low-performers Spies and Alberts in this case? Alberts have statistically and otherwise been ineffective for the past 18 months - and is questionable because of match fitness in any event. He played in two matches this year and was poor - even against the low-rated Western Force and Kings. What possible contribution can he make to the game? I know you are always advocating selection on of some players - and much like Meyer - do not regard performance as a norm - but in this case you are really not making sense at all.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jun 2013, 04:46
#21
19 Jun 2013, 04:46#21

 What contribution can Alberts possibly make? The fact that you even ask such a hopelessly ignorant question is a tell.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
19 Jun 2013, 08:53
#22
19 Jun 2013, 08:53#22

They are playing at Loftus. How the fud can you select Lambie over Steyn? I am not going to give reaons rugby wise for the following but Samoa chances of winning this is about as slim as me me banging Jessica Alba.

 

It at high altitude. Samoa won't last long playing the way they alwyas play. You can run it 80 meters and a simple kick puts you back 60 meters. Its all about effeciency and making your attacks count. You can score anyway you can when you can get in range and win or you can try and score lots of tries and end up running out of steam after 50 minutes and have a massive pack coming at you.  

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
19 Jun 2013, 23:42
#23
19 Jun 2013, 23:42#23

JDV should be told he needs to rest - start Serfontein at his home field and get him some more Test experience

 

Stormers and Coetzee need to be told to also rest JDV in the last three weeks of the Super XV or just play him off the bench. They have cover with De Allende and with the playoffs not a possibility, development of new players should be a priority.

 

We will need the experience and leadership of JDV if we are to compete in the RC as NZ is hitting form with an established squad and if that Wallaby squad stays healthy they are going to be a battle hardened unit coming out of the Lions series with loads of game breakers. Depending on how they handle the Lions they could easily go into the RC as the favorites to win it.

 

 

 

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