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Started by clevermike32 REPLIES414 VIEWS· 20 Aug 2014, 19:25
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2014, 19:25
#1
20 Aug 2014, 19:25#1

The following is the team:-


15  Willie le Roux,  14  Cornal Hendricks,  13 Damien de Allende.  12 Jean de Villierss, 11 Bryan Habana,  19 Handre Pollard,  9  Ruan Pienaar,  8  Duane Vermeulen,  7  Juan Smith,  6  Francois Louw,  5  Lodewyk de Jager,  4  Eben  Etzebeth,  3  Jannie du Plessis,  2  Bismarck du Plessis,   1  Gurthro Steenkamp


Replacements :


16  Adriaan Strauss,  17  Tendai Mtawarire,  18  Frans Malherbe,  19  Bakkies Botha,  20  Marcell Coetzee,  21  Francois Hougaard,  22  Morne Steyn,  23  Lwazi Mvovo .


 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2014, 19:38
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20 Aug 2014, 19:38#2
 There are still some weak players and some question marks in respect of the players selected:-
*   Ruan  Pienaar - he really is not good enough anymore - poor service and worse kicking game.
*   Morne Steyn - hope he stays on the bench - we do not ned a matchloser ont eh field of play.
*   Juan Smith - it is never clear how the French Club players will perform whjen selectd.  Bakkies Botha ws poor in all four t4ests he played in since November last year - will  Smith be any better?  Lets hope he is.
*   Gurthro Steenkamp - OMG - our scrums will be destroyed with him on the field of play.   
Mozart must be bitterly disappointed - all the players he trashed after the game on Saturday are still there.   That shows how useless and false his own poerformance interpretation is.  Lets hope he is honest in evaluations next time around.
Insofar as the looseead issue is concerned - time to call up young Thomas du Toit to the squad.     
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
20 Aug 2014, 19:44
#3
20 Aug 2014, 19:44#3
I am happy with that team especially with Pollard starting again, and Eztebeth returning into a starting position after some much needed game time. .
Meyer has conviction in his selections even if they are young or old. He has not gone the conservative route and reverted back to Morne. 
I might have moved Eztebeth to 5 given he played in that position last year.

When Matfield is back though, I expect Lood to be on the bench to cover both 4 and 5, with Bakkies dropping out of the match day team. 
I dont like Jannie Du Plessis and would rather see Malherbe starting, but this is not a major issue. Malherbe will get onto the pitch and the onus in on him to make the position his own.
Their is not specialist fullback cover, and it looks like Hougaard is covering scrumhalf and wing. 
Juan Smith could be a lucky pack, with really good or he will not longer be fast enough for test level. He could be in the Fat Albert bracket of good in the Northern Hemishpere but not mobile enough for the Southern Hemisphere- time will tell.

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
20 Aug 2014, 19:52
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20 Aug 2014, 19:52#4
 The teamsheet I saw had Mvovo on the bench instead of Serfontein.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2014, 19:56
#5
20 Aug 2014, 19:56#5

Well done HM....you have to admire this man. He recognizes we have a scrumming issue and brings in Steenkamp, a stronger scrummager....which was my call. H e isn't misled by the process tackling from Coetzee, we were missing a power runner....in comes Juan.

 

And he has the courage to stick with Pollard. I wouldn't have for this crucial test, but it could work out for him. I hope so, we need Pollard to succeed.

 

Bok rugby is in good hands....he can't produce great players out of a hat, and we are missing those players in several positions. But he is making honest, positive use of the resources we have.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
20 Aug 2014, 19:57
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20 Aug 2014, 19:57#6
yes, it looks like Mvovo will be in the bench to provide cover on the wing and fullback.
Apparently Meyer also rates Pollard as a potential inside centre, and both Jean and Delande can play at 12 or 13. 

The Springbok team to face Argentina in Salta is:

15. Willie le Roux 16 tests 35 points
14. Cornal Hendricks 4 tests 10 points
13. Damian de Allende 1 test 0 points
12. Jean de Villiers (captain) 97 tests 125 points
11. Bryan Habana 98 tests 275 points
10. Handré Pollard 2 tests 18 points
9. Ruan Pienaar 77 tests 135 points
8. Duane Vermeulen 20 tests10 points
7. Juan Smith 69 tests 60 points
6. Francois Louw 31 tests 25 points
5. Lood de Jager 4 tests 10 points
4. Eben Etzebeth 24 tests 0 points
3. Jannie du Plessis 55 tests 5 points
2. Bismarck du Plessis (vice-captain) 61 tests 45 points
1. Gurthrö Steenkamp 51 tests, 30 points

Replacements :
16. Adriaan Strauss 35 tests 25 points
17. Tendai Mtawarira 56 tests 10 points
18. Frans Malherbe 3 tests 0 points
19. Bakkies Botha 80 35 points
20. Marcell Coetzee 17 tests 10 points
21. Francois Hougaard 28 tests 20 points
22. Morné Steyn 57 tests 663 points
23. Lwazi Mvovo 9 tests 15 points

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Aug 2014, 19:59
#7
20 Aug 2014, 19:59#7
"Gurthro Steenkamp - OMG - our scrums will be destroyed with him on the field of play. "

Exactly the prediction you made before the first Welsh test Mike, and Steenkamp was solid as a rock .
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2014, 20:12
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20 Aug 2014, 20:12#8
 Mozart
What about the players you trashed after the test last week and the wonderful write up you gave Bakkies Botha?   You do not realizze yet that Morne Steyn is not an international flyhalf ?  Is he not too slow in the head?   He was on Saturday. 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Aug 2014, 20:13
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20 Aug 2014, 20:13#9
 @Sharkbok.

"Juan Smith could be a lucky pack, with really good or he will not longer be fast enough for test level."

I don't think Juan's speed is any issue at all. I also have no doubts as to whether he can play 80 minutes either. I suppose that it could be a bit weird for him to be playing against his team mate Lobbe, though. It just remembered the two of them in the HC final.


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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
20 Aug 2014, 20:18
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20 Aug 2014, 20:18#10
 Mike, Moffie is full of double standards. You will never get him to address them because he is too cowardly and not enough of a gentleman. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2014, 20:27
#11
20 Aug 2014, 20:27#11
 Shezza
I war\s watching the Bliz announcement on  DSTB  and never saw the teamsheet.   They mentioned Mvovo vaguely  - but did not mention that he replaces Serfontein on the bench.    I have now corrected that one.  
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
20 Aug 2014, 20:29
#12
20 Aug 2014, 20:29#12
 As much as I dislike it, the official SARU facebook page announced the squad and had Mvovo on the bench.
GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
20 Aug 2014, 20:30
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20 Aug 2014, 20:30#13
 double standards are netter than no standards. his double layer policy must be the reason he makes you two look like guppies. 
and looky here, mika the clevar had slready declared tgat jyan IS a weakness and hasnt even played yet! big call on pollard but in better weather he might be more influential.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2014, 20:31
#14
20 Aug 2014, 20:31#14

Okay so let's look at the list of players I "trashed".

 

 

Starting with Pollard. I said he had a generally good game, but his kicking was impacted by adrenalin. I pointed out he was running 3 times higher turnovers per minute played than any other RC starter. I said it was a 60:40 call, but in that hostle, remote environment I would have started Morne. I have no problem with HM going the other way.

 

De Allende....I thought he had a rather poor game and underlined his tackling and defensive structure issues. But the alternative is Steppie....so I would also have picked de Allende.

 

Lood.....is a neutral. I would have started with Bakkies and had Lomp play the second half. Maybe a boot up the butt is what this chap needs to be a warrior. He certainly wasnt one last week. Pity we can't get Willemse

 

Coetzee is a nice player, but not a dominator against big packs. He has huge support, thankfully HM has a more realistic view.

 

Steenkamp and Juan are good choices. So I am happy with two changes, happy Pienaar is still starting concerned but ok with Pollard, resigned about de Allende and only slightly uncomfortable about Lomp.

 

In all HM has done a fine job.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2014, 20:36
#15
20 Aug 2014, 20:36#15
Cheezer no gentleman would call himself a gentleman. But The Wall street Journal did call me one on the front page, that's good enough for me.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2014, 20:45
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20 Aug 2014, 20:45#16
 Mozart
Now be honest for a change - your trashing was decided before the game.
I had a look at the stats of De Allende - and aisde from  Willie le Roux - he was the only backline player to gain territory when he carried the ball.  You never said anything about that and shouted histerically about his two missed tackles.   No w ay did you even mention anything else about De Allende.
Bakkies is the one that needs "a boot up the butt" - he did squat in the game - same as he did aquat in all four tests he played in recently. 
Steenkamp and Juan arte questionable choices.   The French club players are unpredictable and often enough sub-standard on international level.   Bakkies is a typical example of that.   I looked at his performances in four tests he played in since November and what he produced in four games was less than what a half-decent lock produces in one game.   Are they going to make the grade - heaven only knows.   


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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
20 Aug 2014, 22:48
#17
20 Aug 2014, 22:48#17

 I am ready to eat humble pie, but until then I am extremely happy with the selection of Juan Smith.

At this point in time it seems that Juan will pack behind Guthro in the scrum - so expect a good effort from the loosehead side.

The Boks now have 2 genuine fetchers - so look forward to us dictating the loose ball. This may enhance conditions for running rugby and give Pollard opportunities to demonstrate his flair.

Juan is a better line out option than Marcel Coetzee, so expected F Louw to be subbed later in the game by Marcel and Juan doing 80 minutes.


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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
20 Aug 2014, 23:18
#18
20 Aug 2014, 23:18#18
 I can't stand you Mozart.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2014, 00:26
#19
21 Aug 2014, 00:26#19
 Lighten up Cheaser and ou Maaaikie, Moz is an excellent poster. Lighten up!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Aug 2014, 00:50
#20
21 Aug 2014, 00:50#20
 I have bo problem with Moz as a poster - I actually likes him as a person - but he lays himself open so widely that anyone can amuse himself by taking pot shots at him - he is such an easy target because he is so addicted to under-performing geriatrics.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Aug 2014, 00:50
#21
21 Aug 2014, 00:50#21
 I have bo problem with Moz as a poster - I actually likes him as a person - but he lays himself open so widely that anyone can amuse himself by taking pot shots at him - he is such an easy target because he is so addicted to under-performing geriatrics.
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
21 Aug 2014, 01:45
#22
21 Aug 2014, 01:45#22
 Really looking forward to seeing how Pollard goes this week. Hoping he has a good one and starts against the Aussies even though it would be better for us to have Morne in. I think Morne kicking back to Falou and Beale would suit our game. Also see if you can get Victor back as well before then.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Aug 2014, 06:01
#23
21 Aug 2014, 06:01#23
Cheezer toughen up you wimp.  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2014, 12:48
#24
21 Aug 2014, 12:48#24
 It's a pretty good side. Time to test Juan Smith against a tough pack. I trust his work rate will greatly exceed Alberts.Sorry Reinach didnt get a start. Probably means he will not get a shot. Now was the time to use him.
Also of interest will be how Steenkamp goes. He was solid when played in the June tests. Good test for him as well. Hope malherbe gets more time as Jannie will need a break and Malherbe needs to get up to speed.
This pack weighs close on 950kg and is reasonably mobile. Lets see some fire!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Aug 2014, 12:56
#25
21 Aug 2014, 12:56#25

Not a bad team. I picked Pollard, Habana, de Allande for my Fantasy rugby team last week thinking it would be a high scoring game (I had to pick some Bok players). They were a disaster of course but as the weather forecast is good for this weekend's game  may stick with them. Pollard is of great interest.

 

Meyer is still experimenting & as the Boks are playing the 12th ranked team he can afford to do so.

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
21 Aug 2014, 13:47
#26
21 Aug 2014, 13:47#26
I reckon this is a solid team. Pienaar and Bakkies are dodgey calls, but it is still a very good side. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2014, 14:54
#27
21 Aug 2014, 14:54#27
Steenkamp a more powerful scrummager than Beast........bwhaaahaaaaaa.......jo ke of the year so far 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2014, 14:57
#28
21 Aug 2014, 14:57#28
 Well Tank Lanning a former WP prop thinks it was the right move to put Beast on the bench. Beast is recovering from an injury.
Its a good thing to test Steenkamp and Juan Smith. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2014, 14:59
#29
21 Aug 2014, 14:59#29

Tank Lanning is a bloody insult, have you read that clowns articles.

 

Steenkamp and Smith should be nowhere near the squad, let alone starting......its insulting  

GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
22 Aug 2014, 14:03
#30
22 Aug 2014, 14:03#30
 beast is not a great scrummager safesex. its just a fact. the stronger scrummagers up north always have his number. and he blows hot and cold anyway. gurthro is a stronger carrier and a stronger scrummager. but beast is a shark so he'll get preferential treatment just like bsmarck, lambie, pietersen and so many others down the years.

juan will always be better than any other blindside flank until he is ready to retire which is not the case now.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2014, 16:32
#31
22 Aug 2014, 16:32#31
Bozo as I said just refrain from passing comment when it comes to rugby for you know fuck all  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Aug 2014, 16:37
#32
22 Aug 2014, 16:37#32
Steenkamp proved himself against the Welsh scrum....the Beast was the weak point last week.
KA
KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
22 Aug 2014, 16:39
#33
22 Aug 2014, 16:39#33
 Oe, dis wee Vrydag!  Hallo Daddy, sorry I did not come post but work is busy.  Gee but you lot still fight so much.  What is wrong with this Meyer boy?  Putting that Kaled boytjie in the team.  Old Guthro is way past his sellbydate, ek sê.

But Smith Daddy, he can make a difference.  By the way who else is there really, Whitely?  No man i think we need the experience in the lineout this weekend.

Daddy my ma sê "Fok jou , nê.
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