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Springbok Team as announced

Started by clevermike17 REPLIES548 VIEWS· 16 Jun 2016, 13:13
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jun 2016, 13:13
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16 Jun 2016, 13:13#1

15 Wilie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Siya Kolisi, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Adriaan Strauss (c), Tendai Mtawarira

Replacements :

16   Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Julian Redelinghuys, 19 Franco Mostert, 20  Warren Whiteley, 21 Rudy Paige, 22 Morne Steyn, 23 Ruan Combrinck

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Jun 2016, 13:17
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16 Jun 2016, 13:17#2

Great improvement at 6


Vermeulen passed fitness test, Lood obviously did not

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jun 2016, 13:17
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16 Jun 2016, 13:17#3
 I think there are some very lucky guys to stay in the team and I would think that includes the loosies - who were crap last week, as well as Mapoe and Pietersen.   De Jager and Lambie is out due to injury and the disastrous Morne Steyn is back playing from the bench,   He has not had a decent game for a year now and his call-up was to my mind a recipe for disaster.      
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Jun 2016, 13:18
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16 Jun 2016, 13:18#4
 PSDT selected for the starting 5 lock, Kriel at 6. Morne on the bench. That's ok but no Whiteley even on the bench?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jun 2016, 13:19
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16 Jun 2016, 13:19#5
 I made a mess here - Louw Is starting and Whiteley is on the bench - Kiel is nowhere. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Jun 2016, 13:21
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16 Jun 2016, 13:21#6
 Ok, well at least Whiteley is on the bench. Louw needs to win some ball at the breakdown.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Jun 2016, 13:35
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16 Jun 2016, 13:35#7

Oh for fuck sake Mike, you had my hopes up


Louw if fucking useless - wake up Coetzee  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jun 2016, 13:55
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16 Jun 2016, 13:55#8

 Dave - was hoping for  different team - and wrote that down - so as only to have to make changes and I slipped on the loosie changes.  That loosie combination really is crap - they were useless last week.   Louw is just part of the problem - Vermeulen and Kolisi were  crap as well.    
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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
16 Jun 2016, 14:17
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16 Jun 2016, 14:17#9
 No pain, no gain. So, here's to another painful experience, but the gods may favour the Boks this week in that the altitude may come to the rescue of the Boks.
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sharkbokCaptain23,269 posts
16 Jun 2016, 14:24
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16 Jun 2016, 14:24#10

The real (non-fantasy)Springbok team to face Ireland in Johannesburg:

15. Willie le Roux, 14. JP Pietersen, 13. Lionel Mapoe, 12. Damian De Allende, 11. Lwazi Mvovo, 10. Elton Jantjies, 9. Faf de Klerk, 8. Duane Vermeulen, 7. Siya Kolisi, 6. Francois Louw, 5. Pieter-Steph du Toit, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 3. Frans Malherbe, 2. Adriaan 

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Strauss (captain), 1. Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16. Bongi Mbonambi, 17. Trevor Nyakane, 18. Julian Redelinghuys, 19. Franco Mostert, 20. Warren Whiteley, 21. Rudy Paige, 22. Morne Steyn, 23. Ruan Combrinck Stats and facts:


It looks like a very similar starting 15. 

Stephanie at least is starting- in place of the lead Jaw Deja ager.

 I don't understand why Kriel is not on the bench. louw needs to be moved to number 7- that is if he is in the starting team. We need an out and out fetcher.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jun 2016, 15:39
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16 Jun 2016, 15:39#11
 

The following from News24:-

“Three-and-a-half years after making his Test debut, Elton Jantjies will start in the Springbok No 10 jersey for the first time against Ireland at Ellis Park on Saturday.

It is a must-win match for South Africa after they lost 26-20 at Newlands last Saturday to go 1-0 down in the three-Test series.

Jantjies gets his chance due to the concussion suffered by Patrick Lambie who was stretchered off in the 22nd minute of last weekend's match after CJ Stander's late attempted charge-down.

The form South African No 10 in Super Rugby this season, Jantjies has been at the heart of the Lions and their attacking enterprise.

But Springbok coach Allister Coetzee wants to see more than just flair from his new flyhalf.

He wants game management, intelligent kicking and somebody who can take control of the match.

"I know there will be a huge expectation for Elton to fire," Coetzee said at Thursday's team announcement in Johannesburg.

"I just want to see Elton take control of the game and manage it well. That’s the big thing about Test match rugby. It’s not hitting sixes, I expect Elton to get us to play in the right areas of the field.

"I expect Elton to beat the rush and to be clever, make good decisions when the space is on at the back and get us there."

Coetzee is fully aware of the public's desire to see an attacking brand of rugby, and, while he is not against that, he says it is important to choose when to attack with ball in hand and when to be patient.

"I know that a lot of people expect a bit of running rugby ... my philosophy is that if it’s on, then it’s on," said Coetzee.

"It could be on in minute one, and players must make those decisions, but we’re not going to play unnecessarily if it’s not on.

"I know that there will be an expectation that because he (Jantjies) is there we must have this attacking flair at all costs and at all times. I know he can run and he can manage a game as well."

So what can we expect on Saturday based on Coetzee’s comments.   I believe the same disruptive garbage dished up in the Stormers game in previous years – defective and deficient usage of the backline.  The Springboks will try and prevent a defeat and never ever try to win the game through constructive play.

Jantjies will be forced to play a kicking game – a repeat of Coetzee’s flop in 2013 when he tr ied to use Jantjies to play the game he had in mind -  and one can bet it will just be handing handing over ball possession to the Irish.    And then we will have a series of flyhalf stand-ins  - ie loosies pretending they are flyhalfs.    I still think what is going to be produced will not beat the Irish.      

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Jun 2016, 15:59
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16 Jun 2016, 15:59#12
 Noted.
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
16 Jun 2016, 16:50
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16 Jun 2016, 16:50#13
Boks will tear up the Irish this Saturday. 
Senior players were called out for sub-par performances and will respond - Strauss, Etzebeth, Louw, Vermuelen, Beast, Willie, Malherbe all have some personal pride to restore. Not to mention DDA and Mapoe who were toothless.
SA no longer has the talent gap to compensate for days like this past Saturday when the intensity/effort isn't there but they will be sufficiently motivated this weekend.
Hopefully Jantjies does kick more. Not only for territory, but he's more than capable to execute cross kicks and clever kicks over and through the defense. Attack was so one dimensional this past Saturday that the rush defense didn't even have to be honest. It will serve to open some running lanes.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Jun 2016, 17:09
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16 Jun 2016, 17:09#14
 Best summary I have seen Matey ....better than anything I have read in the rugby press. Etzebeth and Vermeulen are going to be monsters this weekend.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Jun 2016, 19:35
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16 Jun 2016, 19:35#15
It'll be better for the Boks long term if they lose this weekend. Might be a wake-up call. If we win I fear it will gloss over a lot of bad selections and under par performances that will be exposed come the RC.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Jun 2016, 21:17
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16 Jun 2016, 21:17#16
 I wouldn't mind losing with an experimental team...if we were really going to find out about form players and reach a concensus. But if this team loses with 10 or so WC starters our rugby has really gone backwards....so I can't agree that it's best if we lose.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Jun 2016, 21:39
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16 Jun 2016, 21:39#17
 I would have started Mornè. ..happy with the rest, although I would've had Kriel ahead of Whiteley on the bench. Boks by 10+....15+ if Morné gets more than 30mins...or if Jantjies is relaxed enough to think...on his home turf?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jun 2016, 22:46
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16 Jun 2016, 22:46#18
 Draad - I differ from you here.   With Morne on the field of play anothe r Perth result is inevitable.   I am not convinced Jantjies is the answer - but I am convinced that Morne is definitely not.   
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