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Springbok Team for 2nd Australian Test

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
27 Aug 2022, 20:17
#1
27 Aug 2022, 20:17#1

Given the available players, their form and the results of today's match - I would select this team.

Firstly, the Boks should have scored points during their 25 minutes of domination in the 1st half.
A playmaker like Willie Le Roux was missed. Pollard is not organising backline attacks, so without Leroux at 2nd receiver, the Bok attack was error-prone and disjointed.
Boks made many good runs, but it was more disjointed individualism that rehearsed team play.

1. Ox Nche
Seemed to scrum well as the Boks looked better on his side of the scrum. He had a very good run with a clean break- and was showing up in the tight loose. 

2. Marx  - Has to start, Boks seemed to improve instantly when Dweeb was in the blood bin 

3. Malherbe
The Australian scrum did better than expected on his side of the scrum , but with a 2nd chance he should be better. 

4. Eztebeth - Along with Lood, the locks made more clean breaks than the backline. Individual brilliance but sometimes ran away from support because his breaks were so good.

5. Lood: Good game. Made a few loose passes on good attacking movements, when it might have been better to go to the ground. 

6. Kolisi- Got better as the Boks started running the ball more. 

7. Kwagga  - The form Bok loose forward in 2022.
He has to be the first player selected to start in the back row.
Scored two tries today, and that was as a substitute.
High work rate, both at the breakdown and in the loose. He is an all-round loose forward that can adapt his game based on what is needed and when.

8. Vermeulen - An improvement today over his disaster outing against the All Blacks. Still, he needs a major improvement to start against Argentina. He may be well past his best, and he does not have much time to prove otherwise. 

10. Elton Jantjies  - He makes mistakes (even on his good days), but he is capable of getting his backline running. Pollard needs a rest and is stale. 
Most effective in running conditions, so he suits Australia.

12. Willemse  - Delande did look better on attack outside Jantjies than with Dullard on his inside, but it would be good to see Jantjies and Willemse combine on attack

13. AM  - 
Another good game. Not sure if he finished the game on the wing. Being outside Jantjies and Willemse should see him getting more involved.

14. Gelant - He did not get much opportunity today. I would rather see Gelant tried as an outside centre as a backup to AM. (Jessie Kriel is not a test-level option). He has a good pass and playing-making ability, so it would be mostly if he was up to the defensive requirements. 

15. Willie Leroux - If he was on the pitch today in the 1sth half, he probably would have created a try during the Bok period of domination. 

11. Mapimpi

Replacements: 

16. Dweeb- An improvement from last week, especially after he returned from the blood bin.

17. Steven Kitshoff


18. Vincent Koch - Set up a good try today.

19. Franco Mostert/Wiese

20. Steph Dutoit - He is not in form, and the back row got outplayed on the ground against Australia. His work rate is much lower than what it usually is. 

Having loose forwards that do not compete on the ground is less useful when your team is not dominating the breakdowns and gain line. 


21. Faff  - Is his bad form permanent? Does he have the mental focus and discipline?

22. Pollard - Looks lost on attack, and there is no confidence putting the ball down the backline. Looks tired. Some bench duty will do him well. 

23. Delande - He might start if Jantjies starts. It would be interesting to see how he would go outside Jantjies from the start of the game. Although Willie Leroux has to be on the pitch at XV, which would push Willemse to 12. 

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
27 Aug 2022, 21:12
#2
27 Aug 2022, 21:12#2

Pollard is the answer at 12 not headless chicken Willemse. Kwagga has to start and doesn't really matter in the front row because none of them can play more than 40mins. Wiese starts so long as he cleans up that off the ball shyte. Not much more can be done. You're fucked. Maybe will win next week but it's not changing what the Block's are... pretty mediocre group of players. Kwagga looks pretty good though, he'd make a top 6 sides team. None of the others are any good. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
27 Aug 2022, 21:51
#3
27 Aug 2022, 21:51#3

ex planetrugby.com

Whilst South Africa lost to New Zealand in their last outing, the green shoots of attack in the second half were clear to see, when Damian Willemse moved to 12 and he, with Willie le Roux, created space, passing and vision to allow the Boks to fire some big shots.

Coupled with this was Malcolm Marx’s brilliant 50 minutes off the bench, a game-changing performance that dovetailed well with the attacking ambitions of his teammates.

It therefore beggars belief that in the lead up to this game, the Springbok selection saw Le Roux dropped, Damian de Allende moved back to 12 where his stodgy handling handicaps his own backline, and Willemse moved back to 15 where his game involvement relies more about what he can do as a one-off than as a facilitator.

The game has moved on in the last couple of years. Sides like Australia, Argentina, France and Ireland score a lot of seven pointers and the Springbok method of sitting on slim leads and trying to own the scoreboard through penalties is simply not enough to beat the very best sides around.

They have no worries in set-piece, breakdown or carry, but now is the time to focus on injecting pace and creativity into their backline and the figures of Willemse in the midfield and Le Roux at full-back are key to this.

BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
27 Aug 2022, 22:20
#4
27 Aug 2022, 22:20#4

Ag no fnuk okes. Before you suggest a sensible team, first get your quotas right with Kolisi the required captain. You can chop and change then ash you wish. Yes, this sucks BIG time and with Stick coming from nowhere as backline coach and Nienaber with hardly nothing on his coaching CV the Boks has not much guidance available to them.

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
28 Aug 2022, 08:39
#5
28 Aug 2022, 08:39#5

Erasmus is the genius who is having these useless turds get more results than any other coach would be capable of getting out of them. You blame Stick but none of your players are any good and have shitty skills. Am and Willemse were passing really badly yesterday. If it isn't a scripted play they can't pass on target. But they even fuck those scripted plays up. Your hard men are getting tossed about... so what the fuck is any other coach going to do better? Your players are shit and Erasmus can't do much with them. The only thing could definitely do better is start Kwagga. He ain't going to solve all your problems though. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Aug 2022, 09:55
#6
28 Aug 2022, 09:55#6
I’d go: 15. Gelant 14. Moodie 13. Am 12. Willemse 11. Mapimpi 10. Pollard 9. Hendrikse 1. Ox 2. Marx 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. Lood 6. Kolisi 7. Elrigh Louw 8. Wiese 16. Dweba 17. Kitshoff 18. Nyakane 19. PSDT 20. Kwagga 21. Faf 22. Jantjies 23. de Allende
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
28 Aug 2022, 10:21
#7
28 Aug 2022, 10:21#7

Well ... what can we do with the dregs taken down under?

Using the above team ... I'd start with Kitshoff and Kwagga ... give the captaincy to Eben.

Replace Lood with PSDT at lock.

I do NOT like Gelant at all. We all saw just how useless he is.

I'd bring Willie in at 15 and try keep my starting 15 on the field as long as possible.

The less time the bench gets on the pitch the better .



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Aug 2022, 10:42
#8
28 Aug 2022, 10:42#8
Galant isn’t too bad. He’s not quick though. Similar to Tyrone Green. Lots of heart and some decent skill but pace is genetic.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Aug 2022, 11:30
#9
28 Aug 2022, 11:30#9
Gelant was simply brilliant for the Stormers at 15 and for me it’s a no brainer him starting at 15 for the Boks and allowed to settle and play the creative roaming role Willie did He has more than enough pace for a 15 but not as a wing Fuck me if fat old Frans can play as a test 15 anyone can
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
28 Aug 2022, 13:26
#10
28 Aug 2022, 13:26#10

Considering the performance and the desert of ideas, bothering about the line up shows an absence of priorities.

SA rugby teams can not play rugby. They simply have no idea how to play the game.

That should be the first thing to adress. Not to know which the privileged ones to show case the lack of rugby are.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
28 Aug 2022, 13:35
#11
28 Aug 2022, 13:35#11

Well ... from yesterday's performance ... looks to me as though the All Blacks can't play rugby either 

We at least have an excuse. 

You don't.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Aug 2022, 14:19
#12
28 Aug 2022, 14:19#12
Trad shut the fuck up you boring tit
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
28 Aug 2022, 16:44
#13
28 Aug 2022, 16:44#13

Dave, Frans Steyn does not deserve any arrows in his back.

He has served his country well on the field and it is not his fault if selected to play.

Best that we have a look at ourselves in a mirror first I think. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Aug 2022, 20:45
#14
28 Aug 2022, 20:45#14
That’s what I said it’s pathetic that they select him, he was great in his day which was a decade ago It’s fucking ridiculous that these so called coaches see value in him at test level, the same fools who ignore the talents of Roos
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Aug 2022, 06:04
#15
29 Aug 2022, 06:04#15

They are grabbing at straws and the straws failed them/    Pollard had a shocker on Saturday like Jantjies had in June.    De Klerk same as Pollard.     The fact is that players like Vermeulen and Mostert are passengers and should not be in the squad.    

I think the Springboks for decades now had a flyhalf problem and that seemed to be back with us.  Pollard made a difference too that scenario in 2019  0 but since then he dod not hav a single good test.   So it is time to start looking for an alternative back-up flyhalf  my preference being Ngomezulu - the Under 20 flyhalf, but there may be others as well.          

          .  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Aug 2022, 06:54
#16
29 Aug 2022, 06:54#16

Mike as a guy who was convinced Goosen and Swiel were the answer, you best shut up about flyhalves. Pollard had a bad game on Saturday, but he had a guy on drugs inside him and a moron outside.

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
29 Aug 2022, 07:17
#17
29 Aug 2022, 07:17#17

Dullard hasn't had a solid game in a few years. Maybe even his debut season. He was injured for a good while as well, so probably not since 2015. Not good now is it? I saw on the Splingblock records yesterday all time points scorers. Steyn was at 68 tests and scored 8 tries and Dullard is at 65 tests with 7 tries. So much for being the next best thing. A tough physical runner sure but he is not a 10 he is obviously a 12. There's your answer right there. Dullard can't control a game at 10... it's hardly ever happened. In the end they're all the same shit at 10 but this guy can be a very good 12. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
29 Aug 2022, 09:07
#18
29 Aug 2022, 09:07#18

Saark what are you smoking. Jantjies should never be near a bok jumper. 

Think the bok game plan is way to restrictive. The kick chase is. It working and neither the forward pack right now.

For the next test I would up for the following. 

  1. Kitshoff - ox
  2. Marx - Dweeb lucky Dube
  3. Malherbe - Nyakane
  4. Etzebeth
  5. Lood
  6. Kolissi / kwagga
  7. Louw / Pstd
  8. Wiese
  9. Hendrikse / Faf
  10. Willemse / Pollard 
  11. Moody
  12. Esterhuizen
  13. Am
  14. Mpimpi
  15. Le Roux / Gelant

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Aug 2022, 09:55
#19
29 Aug 2022, 09:55#19

"7. Kwagga  - The form Bok loose forward in 2022.
He has to be the first player selected to start in the back row.
Scored two tries today, and that was as a substitute."

Imagine how many he'd score at 12 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
29 Aug 2022, 09:56
#20
29 Aug 2022, 09:56#20

What they should do is forfeit the test match ... go check the sights out ... and then come home.

It's the right thing to do.



CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
29 Aug 2022, 09:59
#21
29 Aug 2022, 09:59#21

Plum ... and he can play as a fetcher ... 

He has pace ... he has an excellent defense ... He can distribute well ... he has grunt ..he has a brain. 

What more do we need at 12?

The more I think about your idea the more I like it.




MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
29 Aug 2022, 10:36
#22
29 Aug 2022, 10:36#22

Kwagga at 12? Bwahahahhaa! Spagetti at a wall. What next? Kolisi for Mapompi? Wiese at lock? Willemse at 10? Fucking hilarious! 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Aug 2022, 15:42
#23
29 Aug 2022, 15:42#23

Why people are still picking the Duds in their teams is inexplicable. These guys have been gumming up the works for years, and now as the Boks are struggling it’s becoming obvious. 

We have to find a hard yards loose forward who can offload. I’m guessing that might be Roos. And we have to get a 12 that can draw the defence and release the outside backs. I’m guessing that could be Esterhozen.

But whatever the answer we need to move now, before the YE tour. This RC is a goner.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Aug 2022, 15:55
#24
29 Aug 2022, 15:55#24
Bullshit Moz PSDT and de Allende have been excellent - no one apart from you was moaning when we were sitting at 1 having won a WC etc Most of the Bok side is in shit form if you want to drop players out of form then it will have to be Mapimpi, de Allende, Pollard, Faf, Mbonambi, Kolisi, PSDT and Vermeulen The game plan does not encourage an offloading 7 or 12 so no point you asking for one. It’s the very reason why we are sticking with head down and bash Vermeulen if not him then it’s Wiese at the expense of the creative Roos Roos does not fit the plan - a plan that worked but is now dead and Neinaber refuses to acknowledge this
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
29 Aug 2022, 15:59
#25
29 Aug 2022, 15:59#25

When Jantjies is at his worst, he is arguably the worst player in test rugby. (Usually in wet conditions). 

However, he is the best-attacking flyhalf in South Africa when at his best. Remember he steered the Lion to three back-to-back finals in Super Rugby. 

He is able to get his backline running than other flyhalves in SA. (Like the many times when Pollard was shifted to 12, for Jantjies to get onto the pitch) 

When he got onto the pitch against Australia, the Springbok backline suddenly looked better.

Delande appeared to move to the outside centre with Willemse at 12.
And just like the last time Delande played at 13, he was creating confusion by running into the 12 spot, cramping Willemse who was now at 12. 

If Jantjies had Willemse and AM on his outside, and he is in form - then the Bok backline would be good on attack. They would have scored points in periods when the Boks had total domination. 

Jantjies, Willemse, AM and Willie Leroux are all good playmakers. Having them all on the pitch at the same time, would mean much more tries. 



CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
29 Aug 2022, 17:06
#26
29 Aug 2022, 17:06#26

Elton Jantjies is useless ... always has been.

We all know why he's still a part of the Bok mix ... and it has nothing to do with talent.



MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
29 Aug 2022, 23:58
#27
29 Aug 2022, 23:58#27

Jantjies, Willemse, AM and Willie Leroux are all good playmakers. Having them all on the pitch at the same time, would mean much more tries. 

Bark you are such a fool! Throwing buzz words around you picked up from stupid rugby journalists doesn't make you clued up on anything. Totally fucking delusional and Willemse and Am have been shit. You don't know ANYTHING about attack or defence in rugby. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
30 Aug 2022, 00:32
#28
30 Aug 2022, 00:32#28

It is clear the Boks need to improve the game plan.
The Lions proved in Super XV that South African teams can play running rugby. 

It is a pity Swiss Debruin is no longer involved with the Boks. Stick is just their to carry the bags, so he is deadwood. 

The Boks could turn things around for the 2nd test. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
30 Aug 2022, 02:58
#29
30 Aug 2022, 02:58#29

Stick is just their to carry the bags, so he is deadwood. 

Ummmm No, Stick is there to satisfy the ANC agenda and to further add to Rassie's rubber stamping lapdog attempts to cement his own position.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
30 Aug 2022, 03:02
#30
30 Aug 2022, 03:02#30

Stick is being groomed to be the first black coach of the Boks

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Aug 2022, 07:35
#31
30 Aug 2022, 07:35#31
SharkShit ... The Lions played a running brand of rugby 10 years ago under Ackerman and Swys. 
The Boks have a different set of coaches who hardly know the basics of rugby. 
They can't even teach their useless captain to run in the right direction, how do you expect them to teach something a little more technical?

Augie ... I noticed you keep singing Jantjies praises. Exactly how ignorant are you?
 Please try to wake up.
 Jantjies is no playmaker. 
Carlos Spencer taught him a few little flippy flip passing tricks back in the day that's caused more trouble than good.
Jantjies is a natural born coward prone to panic attacks.
He brings nothing to the side other than his tennis ball hairdo.
So much for your pearls of wisdom. Dumbass.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
30 Aug 2022, 07:48
#32
30 Aug 2022, 07:48#32

I'd bring the Moodie Blue Bull in & get LeRoux back. Marx to play for at least 79.5 min .

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Aug 2022, 07:49
#33
30 Aug 2022, 07:49#33

RR is definitely NOT Augie...slight chance of him being Rudeneck,  but I'm not neary convinced of that either...according to Rudehole,  Kitchener was a Pom family member of his...maybe it's him...not that it matters anyway. 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Aug 2022, 08:09
#34
30 Aug 2022, 08:09#34

Don't agree.

Just because he's abrasive doesn't make him Redneck.

Besides ... Redneck has a brain. If he wanted to argue points with us he'd use it. Put us in our place.

This bozo likes Morne Steyn and Alister Coetzee's coaching style ... so does Augie. Thats good enough for me.

He's Augie alright ... just with a potty mouth as a disguise.


  

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
30 Aug 2022, 08:16
#35
30 Aug 2022, 08:16#35

He's Augie alright ... just with a potty mouth as a disguise.

Agreed.

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
30 Aug 2022, 10:06
#36
30 Aug 2022, 10:06#36

Hahaha! Stupid illiterate yarpies! I like Coetzee huh? Where the fuck did I say that? I said it was a fucking tragedy and I said so many times his fucking coaching style is stupid! XD! Can't make this shit up! YOU idiot cunts have been telling ME the Blocks should play that dumb shit! If you're gonna tell me what I fucking think than have the mother fucking brains to READ what I actually say you dumb ass munching fucktards. I also said yesterday your 10s are "all the same shit in the end". I WAS laughing at Dullards try count. You stupid fucks never fucking learn. You cunts always get it wrong. I heard Yarpies calling Dullard the best 20 since Carter and the best 10 in the world! Now you fucks tell me Willemse is hot shit. Thanks for the morning laughs you limp dicks! Fucking hilarious as usual. 

SB
Sonny BillClub Pro272 posts
30 Aug 2022, 12:56
#37
30 Aug 2022, 12:56#37
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Aug 2022, 20:25
#38
30 Aug 2022, 20:25#38

Stupid Yarpies beat stupid Poms every day...but only Stupid yarpies...we're not all that stupid though...some of us are much smarter than many a dopey Pom...

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
30 Aug 2022, 21:02
#39
30 Aug 2022, 21:02#39

Well sure as hell not you. Everyday huh? What's your record in rugby? 1 of last 6 XD! Tell me what sports you beat us in each day of the last two weeks... floor is your s big mouth! 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2022, 02:25
#40
01 Sept 2022, 02:25#40

Huh?

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