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Springbok team to play the Wallabies . . .

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Aug 2024, 09:57
#1
06 Aug 2024, 09:57#1

Springbok team to face Australia in Brisbane:

15 – Willie le Roux (Vodacom Bulls) – 95 caps, 75 pts (15t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Suntory Sungoliath) – 33 caps, 96 points (15t, 3c, 5p)
13 – Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles) – 71 caps, 80 points (16t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Wild Knights) – 81 caps, 55 points (11t)
11 – Kurt-Lee Arendse (Vodacom Bulls) - 18 caps, 75 points (15t)
10 – Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu (DHL Stormers) - 4 caps, 17 points (7c, 1p)
9 – Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) - 33 caps, 65 pts (13t)

8 – Elrigh Louw (Vodacom Bulls) – 4 caps, 0 points
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (Toyota Verblitz) – 79 caps, 40 points (8t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Racing 92) – 85 caps, 50 points (10t)
5 – RG Snyman (Leinster) – 37 caps, 10 points (2t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 122 caps, 30 points (6t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 72 caps, 5 points (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 71 caps, 70 points (14t)
1 – Ox Nche (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 31 caps, 0 pts

Replacements:

16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 67 caps, 85 points (17t)
17 – Gerhard Steenekamp (Vodacom Bulls) – 3 caps, 0 points
18 – Vincent Koch (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 52 caps, 0 points
19 – Ben-Jason Dixon (DHL Stormers) – 2 caps, 5 points (1t)
20 – Marco van Staden (Vodacom Bulls) – 20 caps, 0 pts
21 – Kwagga Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs) – 43 caps, 35 pts (7t)
22 – Grant Williams (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 11 caps, 10 points (2t)
23 – Handré Pollard (Leicester Tigers) – 71 caps, 732 points (7t, 98c, 162p, 5dg)

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
06 Aug 2024, 10:10
#2
06 Aug 2024, 10:10#2

Powerful team, this team should beat the wobblies, but the yellow boys seem to be a slippery banana peal in Brisbane for the boks. 

Also, really interesting to see what Sacha can do and what will happen with Manie. 

What will Dobbo do now that Sasha is seen as a 10? 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2024, 10:20
#3
06 Aug 2024, 10:20#3
It’s good but could be better. Nice to see Sacha starting Not sure why Reinach is starting ahead of Williams - let’s move on from the 34 year old Same applies to Koch on the bench - Thomas du Toit offers so much more. Not sure why we have to have two opensides in Kwagga and v Staaden on the bench - I don’t get the investment in v Staaden he is at best solid, nothing dynamic about him. I guess they see more impact coming from him than a specialist lock like Moerat on the bench. We really need to be investing in the next lock on the bench and for me the obvious would have been Ruben v Heerden but like a few others he has not cracked the squad yet I would have started Marx and had Am ahead of Kriel. Also tempted to start Fassi ahead of Willie - we need to move on from Willie but we kind of need the vision Willie brings - it’s a hard one
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2024, 10:25
#4
06 Aug 2024, 10:25#4

Thanks Rooinek

My predictiion in most cases was supported by the above selections.   

My key comment was about Feinberg Ngomesulu and Pollard  usage is spot on.   The fact that Damian Willemse is not available yet has impacted on Willie le Roux playing - if Willemse was available Le Roux would not be considered for selection.   

After te poor display by De Klerk in the Irish tests I think we may not see him in future and it is clear that Reinach is not  a long term investment. 

On the ebnch I like the invetment in Steenekamp and Dixon and Kwaga being a bench player is the real and practiccal approach.   The latter is wasted as a starter.   The one player I do not support is Van Staden,   The latter i s not a test level player,

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
06 Aug 2024, 10:37
#5
06 Aug 2024, 10:37#5

Agree, why have 2 loosies? Oh, yes, Kolisi can't last more than 40 min. They need a backup at lock and another back up on the back row. Think Elrich will play the entire game. That guy has got an incredible engine, and so does PSDT, but we need to manage him because he is our best player.

Might see him go to lock

Etzebeth is about a 60 min player too these days. 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
06 Aug 2024, 11:09
#6
06 Aug 2024, 11:09#6
A Pleasant surprise in Sacha starting and very Happy for Elrigh. I agree on Am starting for Jessica, it’s like day and night. Also with Sacha starting, we need creativeness in the midfield to feed of Sacha,s play making skills. Both centre choices are Robots. Hopefully Willie does not get concussed and can add the creative spark and to counteract the Dumb muscle twins. Ruben V Heerden should be in the squad instead of Moerat …do not understand why Rassie does not do that?? Koch stands stronger at TH than Tank. Fuck I hope Wilco gets his chance vs the AB but we need to move on from the old guys, so I would have also gone with Thomas. He struggled a bit in the beginning against that 38 year old LH from Portugal, but stood great as the game progressed. Ben J Dixon is a good line out jumper and Pieter is also there, to cover for lock I suppose…Don’t actually understand the inclusion of van Staden?? Hoping for a good win. Go Bokke!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2024, 11:58
#7
06 Aug 2024, 11:58#7
Bullshit does Koch stand stronger at TH in the scrums than Thomas - that is based on what exactly? Certainly not his season for Bath and his test against Portugal - stop making shit up
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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
06 Aug 2024, 12:09
#8
06 Aug 2024, 12:09#8
With 2 open sides loosies on the bench, it suggests the Boks are worried about the breakdown.
If the breakdown is poor, expect Kolisi to get yanked from the pitch quickly. 
Kwagga is only an impact player, he has consistently proven he cant start.

SashaZulu is a good choice, interesting that he has been preferred over Pollard.

Reinach is solid, and more consistent than Faff. Perhaps they feel Smith will be stronger off the bench as an impact player. Surely this must be the last year for Reinach
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
06 Aug 2024, 12:10
#9
06 Aug 2024, 12:10#9
Yawn Sif
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2024, 14:28
#10
06 Aug 2024, 14:28#10

Ten players over 30, Sacha the one bold move but Pollard is the insurance policy. Snyman and Ox will be 30 in a year or two.

This is the oldest team to start the three year WC cycle, with massive turnover needed before the next WC. But this is a great opportunity to win a RC playing both NZ games in RSA. The great change will start on the YE tour or next year.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2024, 16:13
#11
06 Aug 2024, 16:13#11
Reinach has a piss poor service with his few steps and a wind up before the delivery - his selection ahead of Williams is crap and shows no sign of moving on. Same applies to Koch vs Thomas We could have had the in form Fassi at 15 ahead of old man Willie The younger Fassi, Williams and Marx should have started with Thomas on the bench but instead we stick with the old farts - move on Rassie At least we have two real locks starting - about fucking time
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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
06 Aug 2024, 16:55
#12
06 Aug 2024, 16:55#12

I am keen to see SashaZulu combine with Willie Leroux. Also how he combines with Delande on attack. 

Smith will cover the wing, but I suppose if there is an injury Pollard can also cover inside centre -or Sasha could shift to the inside centre with Pollard at 10. 



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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Aug 2024, 18:44
#13
06 Aug 2024, 18:44#13

Smith will cover the wing?

When there's Williams.....

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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
06 Aug 2024, 18:47
#14
06 Aug 2024, 18:47#14

meant Williams...not Smith 

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Aug 2024, 18:55
#15
06 Aug 2024, 18:55#15

forgiven but you're on a final warning not to do it again..

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Aug 2024, 19:01
#16
06 Aug 2024, 19:01#16

Steady and safe is the call from Rassie, apart from Sasha there's nothing bold and adventurous about the backline. Sacha also receives protection from a solid pack....can't ask for more . On paper one has to feel sorry for Oz.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2024, 23:22
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06 Aug 2024, 23:22#17
The pack is better than it has been in a while with RG at lock and Louw at 8 instead of Kwagga The backline is let down by Reinach at 9 - move on for crying out loud. Williams should have started Am ahead of Kriel at 13 all day long
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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
07 Aug 2024, 00:23
#18
07 Aug 2024, 00:23#18

Elrich Louw is more of a ball carrier and defender than competing at the base of the ruck.
Kolisi rarely makes an impact here, whereas Steph Dutoit plays wide so the Boks breakdown might get exposed if the ball carriers dont dominate the collisions early on.

With Marx on the bench, the team itself may be a bit lacking at the base of the ruck.
Although the Boks may just be too strong for them, the Boks would do well to find a specialist fetcher at 6 or have a Vermuelen-style number 8 that can play all styles of the game.

At least 2 of the back row must be competitive on the ground - at least when the breakdown is not going well.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
07 Aug 2024, 02:59
#19
07 Aug 2024, 02:59#19
Zuluman will move to 15 in the 2nd half  & Williams/ Pollard will steer the bombsquad to victory over a brave Aussie who'll be compensated by winning the breakdown battle.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2024, 03:44
#20
07 Aug 2024, 03:44#20

Hanekom is pretty handy on the deck.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
07 Aug 2024, 03:50
#21
07 Aug 2024, 03:50#21

Hy's nie in die team nie.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Aug 2024, 06:10
#22
07 Aug 2024, 06:10#22

BB

You apparently miss out on a lot of things and least of all is that Marx used to be a lion at breakdowns and thus far has not been very effective in that regard.   When the ball is played wide the breakdwn play is dominated by De Allende and Du Toit at this stage.   Vermeulen was excellent at breakdowns near to forward play -but that is where he  performed exxtremely well,   When the breakdowns was wider out Vermeulen was not a factor at breakdowns.              

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
07 Aug 2024, 07:31
#23
07 Aug 2024, 07:31#23

https://www.gleninnesexaminer.com.au/story/8722226/wallabies-rugby-championship-test-with-springboks-full/

Wallabies' Rugby Championship Test with Springboks fullBy Darren WaltonUpdated August 7 2024 - 4:01pm, first published 3:56p

The Wallabies' Rugby Championship opener against the world champion Springboks in Brisbane is officially a sellout.

Kicking off at 2:30pm, Saturday's rare afternoon Test match will be the first time that Suncorp Stadium will be packed to capacity for a Wallabies match since 2013 against the British and Irish Lions.

More than 50,000 fans will be in attendance.

"The response to this match shows that Australians and Queenslanders are right behind this Wallabies squad," Rugby Australia CEO Phil Waugh said on Wednesday.

"We are still building under Joe (Schmidt), and we have started the season reasonably well against Wales and Georgia, however the two-time defending Rugby World Cup Champions are a new and exciting challenge.

"Hopefully the beautiful Queensland weather on a Saturday afternoon should make for some entertaining day-time footy, and quite a spectacle for the fans in attendance."

The Wallabies will be back at Suncorp Stadium this weekend for the first time in three years as Schmidt's unbeaten charges look to restore the ground's reputation as a fortress.

"The boys are familiar with the ground and good weather up here also plays a part," said Wallabies lock Lukhan Salakaia-Loto.

"So I guess we win games here, we grow in confidence and it becomes a fortress the more you win.

"So (hopefully) we can keep that going."

The Suncorp Test is the first match of the Rugby Championship for both the Wallabies and Springboks as the tournament returns to a full format following the shortened version last year due to the World Cup.

Following the Brisbane clash, both sides will head to Perth for a second meeting in as many weeks on August 17 at Optus Stadium.

The Wallabies, who enjoyed a friendly net session with the Australian cricket team on Wednesday, will then set off for Argentina for two Tests against Los Pumas as the Springboks return home to host the All Blacks.

The Wallabies then return home for their final Test on home soil in September, with the first Bledisloe Cup Test against the All Blacks on Saturday afternoon September 21 at Sydney's Accor Stadium.

The Rugby Championship concludes a week later in Wellington with the return Bledisloe Cup leg.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
07 Aug 2024, 07:34
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07 Aug 2024, 07:34#24

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/wallabies-must-be-smart-whilst-muscling-up-to-disrupt-rampaging-springboks/

https://www.planetrugby.com/news/springboks-v-australia-winners-and-losers-as-rassie-erasmus-backs-insane-talent-snubs-locks


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Aug 2024, 12:00
#25
07 Aug 2024, 12:00#25

Strong side. Looks like Kwagga will go to eight and Van Staden to 7.

Also looks like Rassie is wanting to win this RWC more than just introducing the newer players. Time will tell. 

Those writing off Faf are simpletons. The greatest warrior in the Bok side. 


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Aug 2024, 15:03
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07 Aug 2024, 15:03#26

I think that Erasmus si fully aware of where the team is going.    Lets get to the Mozart team that thh team is the oldest one starting a new  WC cycle.  That is BS - just look at the 2013 season as t Meyer's team selection - supported all out by Mozart.   By the time the WC took place he had added players like Matfoeld to te squad and the average age of the playing team was acually very near to 33 yeas of age.

Most of the over 33 year olds will be out and the squad has plenty of youngsters tha would reduce the age to  what it was in the  2019 WC w hen the average age of the playing team was 27,7 years of age.   That type of team entails a gradual replacement program - not an instant one.        

        

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2024, 18:41
#27
07 Aug 2024, 18:41#27
Meyers WC team was 28….Eluckmiss’ WC team was north of thirty, get off the machine Wanker.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Aug 2024, 20:15
#28
07 Aug 2024, 20:15#28

Another pull from the air invention by Mozart.   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Aug 2024, 01:36
#29
08 Aug 2024, 01:36#29
PositionPlayerProvinceAgePrev TestsScoringLoose-head PropTendai MtawariraSharks3073 HookerBismarck du PlessisSharks3177 Tight-head PropFrans MalherbeWP2410 LockEben EtzebethWP2342 LockLood de JagerCheetahs2217 FlankFrancois LouwBath3041 FlankSchalk (jnr) BurgerSuntory3284 EighthmanDuane VermeulenWP2933 Scrumhalf (C)Fourie du PreezSuntory3375 FlyhalfHandré PollardBlue Bulls21185 penaltiesLeft WingBryan HabanaToulon32115 Inside CentreDamian de AllendeWP2311 Outside CentreJesse KrielBlue Bulls219 Right WingJP PietersenWild Knights2964 Full BackWillie le RouxCheetahs2632 ReserveWillem AlbertsSharks3136 ReserveTrevor NyakaneBlue Bulls2621 ReserveAdriaan StraussBlue Bulls2952 ReserveJannie du PlessisSharks3268 ReserveVictor MatfieldBlue Bulls38125 ReservePat LambieSharks25481 penaltyReserveJan SerfonteinBlue Bulls2224 New Zealand: 2 tries, 2 conversions, 1 penalty, 1 dropgoal
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Aug 2024, 01:37
#30
08 Aug 2024, 01:37#30

Combined caps: 987 tests (starting 15)

PositionPlayerProvinceAgePrev TestsScoringLoose-head PropSteven KitshoffUlster3182 HookerBongi MbonambiSharks3267 Tight-head PropFrans MalherbeWP3268 LockEben EtzebethSharks31118 LockFranco MostertHonda3272 Flank (C)Siya KolisiSharks3282 FlankPieter-Steph du ToitVerblitz3175 EighthmanDuane VermeulenUlster3775 ScrumhalfFaf de KlerkCanon3254 FlyhalfHandré PollardLeicester29684 penaltiesLeft WingCheslin KolbeSuntory2930 Inside CentreDamian de AllendeWild Knights3177 Outside CentreJesse KrielCanon2967 Right WingKurt-Lee ArendseBlue Bulls2714 Full BackDamian WillemseWP2538 ReserveDeon FourieWP3712 ReserveOx NcheSharks2827 ReserveRG SnymanMunster2833 ReserveKwagga SmithYamaha3039 ReserveJean KleynMunster306 ReserveWillie le RouxBlue Bulls3492 ReserveTrevor NyakaneRacing3466 ReserveJasper WieseLeicester2826 New Zealand: 1 try, 2 penalties
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Aug 2024, 01:54
#31
08 Aug 2024, 01:54#31
Wanker you say:
 ‘ Lets get to the Mozart team that teh team is the oldest one starting a new  WC cycle.  That is BS - just look at the 2013 season as t Meyer's team selection - supported all out by Mozart.   By the time the WC took place he had added players like Matfoeld to te squad and the average age of the playing team was acually very near to 33 yeas of age.’.

So here is the answer to that stinking pile of manure:
Team vs NZ in 2015 WC average age 27.68.
Team vs  NZ in 2023 WC average age 30.82
Eluckmiss’ team was three years older than HM’s team. You just threw 33 out there for HM’s team. Just lied without any conscience. As Anger said you are a disgusting liar Clevermike. I bet pretty much everything you say on here which can’t be verified is a lie as well.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Aug 2024, 10:34
#32
08 Aug 2024, 10:34#32
You are lying again about what you compared.   I referederred to he starting of he cyce in 2012 as you were referring to.  The 2012 team was not 28 years of age in 2012.   The average age of the 2015 sem against the AB'sd included playes who played in the semi was lowered because of injuries to older players during te series as well as BS perfrmances by older player - the average age of the 2015 WC squad was 32,6 years of age - but 8 of the oldest players were nplayable in teh series anway.   
You statred te BS referring  the presen squat and team for Saturday and not any oher series.   I referred to the 2012 series and you went bananas to start quoting other series and matches.   You refer to the semi against New Zealand in 2015 - so you know who would be in the 2027 WC.
You use stats falsely t o prove BS you spread on site. Idiotic really.        
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Aug 2024, 14:32
#33
08 Aug 2024, 14:32#33

I quote you in your own words:

‘ By the time the WC took place he had added players like Matfoeld to te squad and the average age of the playing team was acually very near to 33 yeas of age’

There are liars and then there is a class of liar that will just go on lying even if they have been totally outed. Your pal Draad who admires you for some reason might want to opine on this and find some excuse for your disgusting behaviour. I can’t. .

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2024, 16:21
#34
11 Aug 2024, 16:21#34

Draad you can come out from behind the cupboard, the floor is your’s.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Aug 2024, 18:28
#35
11 Aug 2024, 18:28#35

Yes, it's obvious that Mike is wrong and doesn't want to admit it...I really see why the average age  is such a big issue for both of you.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2024, 18:36
#36
11 Aug 2024, 18:36#36
Case closed.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2024, 15:48
#37
13 Aug 2024, 15:48#37

Now that you sneakily try to raise age on another string Wanker, it’s only decent of me to give you another opportunity to correct your lie.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Aug 2024, 18:23
#38
13 Aug 2024, 18:23#38

I was also following your example and see what the result is,    I was just mentioning your BS you are always spreading.   You have no idea about what Erasmus is doing and planning to do  - spo whine on - you constanly like to make a total fool of yourself.   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2024, 18:29
#39
13 Aug 2024, 18:29#39
DbDraad

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Aug 11, 2024, 18:28

Yes, it's obvious that Mike is wrong and doesn't want to admit it...I really see why the average age  is such a big issue for both of you.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Aug 2024, 16:01
#40
16 Aug 2024, 16:01#40

That remains the case…he can’t admit his mistake

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