Springbok team

The Springbok team to face New Zealand in Christchurch:

15. Johan Goosen (Racing 92, France) 9 caps, 20 points
14. Bryan Habana (Toulon, France, vice-captain) 120 caps, 325 points
13. Jesse Kriel (Vodacom Bulls) 15 caps, 15 points
12. Juan de Jongh (DHL Stormers) 16 caps, 15 points
11. Francois Hougaard (Worcester Warriors, England) 36 caps, 25 points
10. Elton Jantjies (Emirates Lions), 8 caps, 61 points
9. Faf de Klerk (Emirates Lions) 6 caps, 0 points
8. Warren Whiteley (Emirates Lions), 9 caps, 15 points
7. Oupa Mohoje (Toyota Cheetahs) 11 caps, 0 points
6. Francois Louw (Bath, England) 49 caps, 40 points
5. Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers) 14 caps, 15 points
4. Eben Etzebeth (DHL Stormers) 50 caps, 10 points
3. Vincent Koch (DHL Stormers/Steval Pumas) 4 caps, 0 points
2. Adriaan Strauss (Vodacom Bulls, captain) 60 caps, 30 points
1. Tendai Mtawarira (Cell C Sharks) 81 caps, 10 points

Replacements:
16. Malcolm Marx (Emirates Lions) 0 caps, 0 points
17. Steven Kitshoff (Bordeaux, France) 4 caps, 0 points
18. Lourens Adriaanse (Cell C Sharks) 3 caps, 0 points
19. Franco Mostert (Emirates Lions) 3 caps, 0 points
20. Willem Alberts (Stade Francais, France) 38 caps, 35 points
21. Jaco Kriel (Emirates Lions) 4 caps, 0 points
22. Morné Steyn (Stade Francais, France) 63 caps, 703 points
23. Damian de Allende (DHL Stormers) 18 caps, 10 points

Stats and facts

Head to head:

•South Africa and New Zealand will play in their 92nd Test match since their first encounter in 1921. South Africa won 35, lost 53 and three matches were drawn for a winning percentage of 38%.

•To date, 43 Castle Lager Rugby Championship matches were played between the two countries of which South Africa won 12 and lost 31 for a winning percentage of 28%.

•The complete South African Castle Lager Rugby Championship record against New Zealand is: Played 43, Won 12, Lost 31, Points for 829, Points against 1 178, Tries for 76, Tries against 116, Average score 19-27.

•The last time that South Africa won a Test match in New Zealand was seven years ago when the Springboks won by three points in Hamilton, the final score being 32-29. Since then New Zealand have been unbeaten in 43 Test matches at home against all opposition.

•The highest scores by the two opponents were New Zealand 55-35 in 1997 in Auckland and South Africa 46-40 in 2000 in Johannesburg. The aggregate of 90 points in the Auckland Test is also the highest ever in a Test match between them.

• The highest winning margin by the two rivals were 36 by New Zealand (52-16) in 2003 in Pretoria, while 17 points is still the highest winning margin by the Springboks when Phil Mostert’s team kept the All Blacks scoreless (17-0) in 1928 in Durban.

 it's going to be a historical win,..... probably both records, highest score (55 points) and higest margin (36) will be broken

Unfortunately u are correct with your prediction.
What a test experience to have to endure in your first test for Malcolm Marx. 
Just picture it coming on the field with a record score against your team and having to scrum with a weak replacement prop (Adriaanse) and all second raters pushing from the rear.
No clue and no chance........ coach.

ABasque, earlier in the week I would have agreed with you about the giant slap the Springboks are going to get on Saturday . . . but the more I hear AB fans talking about historic wins and huge scorelines, or ex-All Blacks suggesting their B team would be good enough to see off these Boks or the New Zealand press talking about how the Springboks will be embarassed, the more I'm starting to believe we're going to see a huge upset . . . and I'm not talking about the Boks losing by less than people expected, I'm talking UPSET!
Keep the big talk coming, Kiwis! 
GO BOKKE!

 

My assessment of the team is as follows:

15. Johan Goosen           -    Acceptable  
14. Bryan Habana          -     Way past his best
13. Jesse Kriel               -     Acceptable
12. Juan de Jongh          -     A joke selection

11. Francois Hougaard    -     Acceptable
10. Elton Jantjies           -     A potential nightmare
9. Faf de Klerk               -    Acceptable

8. Warren Whiteley         -    Acceptable
7. Oupa Mohoje              -    A joke selection
6. Francois Louw            -    A definite deficiency
5. Pieter-Steph du Toit   -     Good
4. Eben Etzebeth            -    Good
3. Vincent Koch              -    Acceptable

2. Adriaan Strauss         -     Useless at best
1. Tendai Mtawarira       -     Way past his best

Replacements:

16. Malcolm Marx          -     Good
17. Steven Kitshoff        -     Good
18. Lourens Adriaanse    -     Average
19. Franco Mostert         -     Acceptable

20. Willem Alberts          -    A certain disaster

21. Jaco Kriel                 -    Above average
22. Morné Steyn            -    A potential disaster
23. Damian de Allende   -     Average

The above team is a definite loser.   If they lose by less than 30 points I will be really surprised.   

 

My assessment of the team is as follows:

15. Johan Goosen           -    Acceptable  
14. Bryan Habana          -     Way past his best
13. Jesse Kriel               -     Acceptable
12. Juan de Jongh          -     A joke selection

11. Francois Hougaard    -     Acceptable
10. Elton Jantjies           -     A potential nightmare
9. Faf de Klerk               -    Acceptable

8. Warren Whiteley         -    Acceptable
7. Oupa Mohoje              -    A joke selection
6. Francois Louw            -    A definite deficiency
5. Pieter-Steph du Toit   -     Good
4. Eben Etzebeth            -    Good
3. Vincent Koch              -    Acceptable

2. Adriaan Strauss         -     Useless at best
1. Tendai Mtawarira       -     Way past his best

Replacements:

16. Malcolm Marx          -     Good
17. Steven Kitshoff        -     Good
18. Lourens Adriaanse    -     Average
19. Franco Mostert         -     Acceptable

20. Willem Alberts          -    A certain disaster

21. Jaco Kriel                 -    Above average
22. Morné Steyn            -    A potential disaster
23. Damian de Allende   -     Average

The above team is a definite loser.   If they lose by less than 30 points I will be really surprised.   

 My assessment of your assessment.....a joke.

 Invest a dollar on the ABs & if they win you'll get a $1.04 return .......... quotaBokka paying $9.00 . Like the economy, junk status beckons .

 Rooie I dont see too many Kiwis writing off the Boks ,if you include that half-wit beandik into the equation with his predictable put down of the ABs for every game I think you will find the ledger about even .Didnt you reckon that AB who made the B-team statement was something great or fabulous or whatever ?

Poe$ klap on its way. Take a deep breath AC.

We are going to get a THRASHING!  

When playing the All Blacks, it is important to kick the ball out every time.Don't try to make too much distance if there are no chasers,- otherwise, the AllBlacks back three will take quick lineouts to run back and break through the first line of defence, before moving the ball from side to side to create a mismatch. Old useless Jannie Duplessis was usually running this charity service.
We are the masters of aimless kicking, and we have Morne Steyn on the bench just to make sure. 

Rooitwit the point is that in sport nothing is entirely predictable and upsets do happen. 
However given what has been happening I wouldn't bet on it but of course will be delighted should the Proteas down the pompous, arrogant, hapless wee abs and their insufferable supporters like warped DUD, the raving loonie, and ou JW the confused!Two bigger bags of hot air would be hard to find! 

 They say that the height of stupidity ... (and no Mozart, I'm not referring to you ... as you are in a league of your own) ... is to do the same thing over and over again all the while expecting a different result.
We saw what this team managed last weekend against the pathetic Wallabies ... we saw how ineffective they were on attack (2 trys of which one was an intercept and the other a blatant forward pass)  ... how poor they were defensively, especially in the midfield ... how clueless they were at the breakdown ... and how they struggled at the set piece.
Yet ... the same team is selected again.
Usually one doesn't fix that which ain't broke ... but it seems Coetzee has it the other way round. He breaks it further with the inclusion of the elderly Alberts and has still not recognised the problem they have at 10.
I should find his home address and send him a red nose with a green wig.

 With the squad they have down under ... the run on team should be something like this.
1. Kitshoff2. Marx3. Koch4. Etsebeth5. Mostert6. Kriel7. PSDT8. Whiteley9. Faff10. Goosen11. Habana12. De Allende13. Mapoe14. HouGat15. Jesse Kriel

Rooi, two mistakes. Firstly, if anything, the NZ'ers on this site have been the only ones with anything positive to say about the Boks. Marshall has been running his mouth off, but that is par for the course with him. Secondly, The fact that some NZ'ers, I assume other than those on this site, are overconfident, does not change the simple fact that the the Boks couldn't beat an egg at the moment. The AB's ARE better in every position, except maybe Etzebeth at no.4 . Mathematically, it is stupid to expect anything other than a loss for the Boks, regardless of what NZ fans have to say.  

"Mathematically, it is stupid to expect anything other than a loss for the Boks, regardless of what NZ fans have to say."

Well then, maybe I'm stupid but in my experience, when New Zealanders get over-confident and start assuming big wins is exactly when they fall flat on their faces.

Remember the 2003 RWC when they painted their front row onto the jumbo jet in anticipation of winning the Cup? Remember all the big talk before they got pasted by the Frogs in 1999?

I wouldn't be crazy enough to put money on the Boks winning but I just have a hunch.

Go Bokke!

Fair enough! Hope you are right! 

 Rooie that hunch was it a loaner from Quasimodo ? The ABs arent their fans and I dont see them or their management getting too far ahead of themselves ,as you have pointed out we have earned some pain ful lessons.But thats the thing isnt it?,we have actually taken all that on board. and you can bet the ABs have too.

 rooi,

good to see that you keep your faith in your team,..... but it's not about kiwis and AB' fans being over-confident (let alone being "pompous, arrogant, hapless" as the major clown on this site says),....... it's about using the previous experience to try to anticipate what is coming (something humans do in every aspect of their lives),....... and watching this season's previous games of both teams everything points to an historical score,..... everything

and, mainly, it's not only AB fans, ex-AB and the NZ press who are anticipating a big score,...... every writter, journo, pundit from everywhere in the world is saying the same in a harsher or softer way,...... even the saffas

having said this, anything can happen next sat, even the most improbable,..... so, good to stick supporting your team,.... at least untill next sat,...

Yes it' s reached the stage where the hapless wee abs don't even need a bent ref to help them out!!!!!!

 Hunch-a-bunch also thought the Boks wouldn't win without Spies, Watson would be a great Bok captain, the Sharks would soar without Jake and Zinidine Zedone and Dusted was going to win the WC for France. He hunches a bunch.

 An additional bit could be the number of non white players playing each side.
As increasingly, Boks are beaten by sides with non white players in them.

 

TheTraditionalist

Status: Baby Bok
Posts: 152 RE: Springbok team
September 16, 2016, 14:55:07

As increasingly, Boks are beaten by sides with non white players in them

You mean like  Bafana Bafana

 No. Usually, football teams do not play against rugby teams. It is not the same sport.

SA are unable to train players. While SA start with the largest number of non white players, SA are unable to train at least one of them that could get into the national squad without being boosted.

To be compared with other countries playing rugby. England, starting with a much smaller number managed to train a few who are national squad material without being boosted.