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Springbok transformation . . .

Started by Rooinek11 REPLIES407 VIEWS· 21 Oct 2014, 11:38
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
21 Oct 2014, 11:38
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21 Oct 2014, 11:38#1

No, this isn't a post about skin colour, quotas or any of that political crap, it's a post about the possible and exciting transformation of the Springboks playing style.


First and foremost, I don't believe we'd even be considering changing our traditional playing style if it was still working for us. The Springboks conservative style with the emphasis on forward domination served us well for many decades when we had the forwards to dominate opposition teams and especially when we had kicking geniuses like Bennie Osler, Keith Oxlee and Naas Botha to exploit that forward dominance. However, teams have caught up with us. Our rugby stagnated during isolation and we no longer have the great size advantage we had back in the amateur era which gave our forward pack that dominance. We haven't had a kicking general in the mould of Naas Botha since those amateur days either.


Ever since our readmission we've been playing catch up to the All Blacks. I know a lot of South Africans hate to admit it - and some like Baboon-ou will simply bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn't happening - but the facts don't lie . . . before isolation the Springboks had a superior head-to-head score with every rugby playing country on the planet including New Zealand, and since isolation the All Blacks are thrashing us 36 wins to a paltry 15. Those defeats have been bad enough but it's the style in which they've hammered us that makes it even harder to swallow. While they have retained possession and run in tries, we've kicked the ball away and tried to accumulate points through penalties and drop kicks.


The Springboks attempted a ball-in-hand philosophy during Nick Mallett's reign and it paid off for us big time with that amazing 17 match winning streak. However, we all know that Mallet got a bit big-headed after that and he made several poor decisions that broke up his winning team. The retirement of Henry Honiball was also a huge blow to the Springbok running game.


Until the last two home tests in this year's RC, I can only remember one attempt after 1998 to revert to the more expansive running game and that was Harry Viljoen's first test in charge of the Springboks. It was against Argentina on the way to our EOYT in November 2000 and it was a watershed test match. Harry benched Braam van Straaten, started Percy Montgomery at flyhalf and instructed Percy not to kick. I remember the Springbok backs were brilliant that day and we looked fantastic with ball in hand but, tragically (and I don't use the word lightly), we botched a few scoring opportunities and made a few defensive blunders meaning that despite scoring 5 tries, the result was still in the balance going into the last few minutes and we started to kick again. We won that test but Harry didn't have the guts to persist with the running game and we ended up that tour playing old-fashioned Springbok rugby with Braam van Straaten kicking away just about every ball he received.


Here we are, 14 years later and it's looking like the Springboks are ready to try the running game again. Who would have thought that a dyed-in-the-wool Blue Bull proponent like Heyneke Meyer would be the person to transform the Springbok game plan from the sterile low-risk 10 man style to the attractive ball-in-hand running game we saw a few weeks back? Few will argue that we looked better in the last two tests against the Wallabies and the All Blacks than we've looked since Nick Mallett's amazing sequence of 17 wins.


This EOYT is going to be absolutely crucial for Springbok rugby and it could determine our style of rugby for years to come. I sincerely hope that we are a bit more patient this time and don't abandon a more retention based game because of one or two bad results. We are becoming the dinosaurs of rugby and we need to adapt if we're ever going to regain our rightful position as the world's greatest rugby nation!


Come on Bokke! Swing it!

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
21 Oct 2014, 12:36
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21 Oct 2014, 12:36#2
 

We’ve been listening to coaches speak about playing complete rugby for years now but sadly that’s where it ends.


The Lions have adopted a running style of play and it’s paid dividends. With a team of nobodies we’ve managed our best super rugby season ever and now find ourselves competing for the Currie Cup trophy in the final.  That must surely say something.


The kicking game will always be an integral part of good tactical play however needs to be done properly and only when an advantage can be obtained and pressure be placed on the opposition.


This kicking everything away as a game plan is outdated and should have been cast aside many moons back.


Meyer has finally seen the light. 


To add to the title of this thread, we have a few exciting players of colour coming through. Guys like Sithole, Senatla, Kolbe , Coleman, Mnisi and Carr are all excellent prospects.


On top of that we now finally have a 10 that looks the complete package. It’s been a long time coming.


Proper selection, starting with our front row, and we could very well dominate for years to come.





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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
21 Oct 2014, 12:43
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21 Oct 2014, 12:43#3
Agreed Klown, the Lions have been great in this year's CC and that's largely because they've been prepared to run the ball. You only ever dominate other teams when you retain possession. As soon as you kick it back to them you're hand back the initiative as well.

I also agree that we have a lot of exciting players of colour emerging and a fantastic flyhalf prospect in Handre Pollard. Things are looking good for the Bokke.  
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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
21 Oct 2014, 13:52
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21 Oct 2014, 13:52#4

 It is all about balance, we still need set phases to be strong, we need forwards to hit the contact area hard, either to slow opposition ball or steal it, or to secure quick, clean ball.


the emphasis is quick ball, we need a flyhalf that stands flat in attack and doesn't hesitate to attack the line.


kicking must never be the first option, it must only be an option if nothing else is on, and even then, the goal of the kick must be for a positive outcome.


chip kicks, grubber kicks can all be used to kick behind the defence into space, and variation of passing, running and kicking must be able to create doubt in the defence.


it was clear as daylight that Pollard by attacking flat generated a passive defence from New Zealand as they weren't sure where the ball would be, so they sat back to buy more time in defence.


if players are aware of the situation on the field, can make the right decisions and play for a positive outcome in every play, whether it be by supporting or looking for the supporting player we need not be fancy, just balanced to know when to attack and when to play the percentage play.


That's all I want.


If we t hen lose, well then we lost to a better team.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Oct 2014, 14:12
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21 Oct 2014, 14:12#5
 rooitwit get a grip oak. Bok packs have always been dominant until for the last decade we were daft enough to play a tight 4 - a disasterous move as wee matfiled conned the oaks.But you are hopelessly far from reality if you think Bok rugby was only about a dominant pack. We have had wondeful backlines and backs. All I have tried to explain to JW we are simply returning to our roots and playing a balanced game based on dominant forwards and enterprising backline play. As for the nz lead in tests post isolation how many times havent we been robbed blind by bent down under refs implementing the get the Jarpy plan - I posted the evidence - the leading voice was none other than Bryce Lawrences father!!
Then we get twice as many yellows as the abs. I would assume the other penalisable offences would roughly follow suit. How do you beat that?

So yes we need to sort out our pack by sending a few players like wee matifled packing and continue to build our attacking play and we should dominate again.
Other factors we need to fight are:Bent ref in nz pocket refsThe overseas exodusQuotas (Players, coaches and admin)Very poor provincial structuresNo central contracting.Address all this and we will definitely dominate world rugby - no question about it.
What some oaks had also realise is we cannot field some of these lightweights they are punting. We need to be very careful about this. ALL players must prove themselves. You have not proved yourself in the Currie Cup - with limited exceptions possibly as a player might be so talented it screasm at you.
Our current backline of Hougaard, Pollard, Habana, Jan, Hendricks/JP and Willie is adequate size wise. JAkes RWC backline was also great size wise. Meyer I think understands that dynamic. Neither do we want a host of small forwards. Maybe a smallish number 6 but to me Coetzee is normally about as small as you go - 109 kg. Meyer I think also understands this. Fitzpatrick said our competitive advantage is our big mobile forwards. Kriel maybe an exception but initially off the bench.
It is of some concern that Meyer still talks about Pienaar and Du Preez being injured. 
Du Preez as far as I am concerned can come to the RWC as one of three scrummies. Use him when its wet and we are into a kicking game. Pienaar - it's good bye. 
Meyer hopefully is on the right track.
Rooitwit you should be concerned about the transformation re the Sharks since Jakes departure. Its all down hill. Bwahahahahhahahaha - Your prematch prediction are hi larious reading as Dr Moz reminded us. Hahahaahahahahahhaha





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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Oct 2014, 14:40
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21 Oct 2014, 14:40#6

The All Blacks kick the ball almost as much as we have in the last few years....but they don't kick it automatically. Our kicking grates because it seems mindless....preprogrammed.

 

But to run the ball you have to beat tackles.....if not you have stale phase play and inevitably turnovers which gives the opponent dangerous ball. We don't beat enough tackles, nor are our forwards slick enough handlers of the ball to open gaps.....our breaks are still mostly coming from turnovers, not programmed play.

 

Here's what is going to happen. the ABs and Oz will work out Pollard. He will still be effective but not like Ellis Park. And the RWC will dominate next year's thinking....RWCs are always tighter than a drum. RWC 2015 will be no exception.

 

So by the RC next year we will be back worrying about our kicking game. It's not an either or....you need to beat tackles and you need to be able to put pressure on through clever tactical kicking. The rest is a mirage.

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oimateyPro1,870 posts
21 Oct 2014, 20:10
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21 Oct 2014, 20:10#7
We saw this transition to a more balanced attacking game in last years RC. The first Argie test, both Wallaby tests, AB test at Ellis. 
There was no carryover into the EOYT however and I'm not sure I expect that there will be too much of it this year either. Priority 1A for Meyer right now is the WC. I think Meyer will view this EOYT very much as a World Cup dress rehearsal, using it as an opportunity to introduce new players only in positions where he has doubts about his preferred starter. Game plan will almost certainly swing to something more conservative although perhaps not as far as we saw in last years tour.
There is no doubt we're the best defensive team on the planet especially on the back of improved ground play, have the best lineout, could have the best scrum I think if Jannie is managed or a proper replacement found and have fostered the seed of an attacking mindset over the past couple of years that will put us in a very good position for the World Cup.
After the World Cup, my bet is Meyer will completely change course and youngsters will be the flavor of the day.

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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
21 Oct 2014, 20:19
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21 Oct 2014, 20:19#8
 Will Meyer be around after the RWC?
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
21 Oct 2014, 20:31
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21 Oct 2014, 20:31#9
I expect he will, but he needs to chill out a little or the stress will kill him. Boks are overdue for some consistency and long-term planning and SARU appear willing to give that to him.
you heard different?


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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
21 Oct 2014, 22:28
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21 Oct 2014, 22:28#10

No, I haven't but with SARU you never know, if you look at the history of our Bok coaches they never go past their original term.


I will be happy to see it, but seeing is believing.  

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ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
22 Oct 2014, 00:17
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22 Oct 2014, 00:17#11
 All southern hemisphere teams are adopting this style of rugby to reel in the All Blacks. Early indications are that there may be something to it. Certainly much more entertaining for the masses. You would have to think Meyer will be around after the WC. Especially if he wins it!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2014, 00:34
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22 Oct 2014, 00:34#12
 The above scenariois good enough - all contibutors make good points - but that is where they end.  
On point I think everyone agree on is t he factthat klcking remains an integ ral part of the game - but that kicking should not be the objective.   Kicking ahould be a means to achieve the required team objectoves -  it should be purposeful and must bear in mid th consequences of kicks as well.   However, kicking should be used as a vriation and not as a rule.   Predictability is he ebola of rugby. 
One has to wonder how Meyer thinks about issues.   Mozart said our kicking has become programmed - it is not the kicking per se that is the problem - it is the aimless,inaccurate and no-purpose kicking  that remains the problem.   Here players like the Steyns are typical examples - they kick for the purpose of kicking - there is no plan to their kicking game.   ThatIi think is why it is unlikely that they would be anywhere near the WC squad,
Mozart's next point is breaking tackles by backline players.   That is difficult because we do not have strong tackle busting players at center.   De Viilliers used to be fairly strong in the relevant regard - but is very average now.   Serfontein is not effective as a line breaker either.   Jaqcque Fourie has lost his spoeed and is about as effective in ball-in-hand plays as a powder puff and JJ Engelbrecht is not a player who tries to find a way of beaibng defenders.    The problem relates to running lines as well.   Most SA players run straight at the first defender and effectively crashballs.   Very few SA centers  in fact tries to run a different line and thus avoid first time tackles or draw in defenders or create space for other players.   I can see that we have less problems at 12 than at 13 - and this is where I think Meyer's idea of playing De Allende at 13  in the WC next year comes into the picture.   De Allende will play for the Stormers at 13 next year on the request of Meyer - w ho wants to see him having game tme in that position.    
However, there is another problem with the ball-in-hand concept and that is the role of your loosies in that game.   For the past two years we basically have selected at least one or even two  loosies who play no role whatsoever in asssiting in that component of the game.   Our loosies should be able to handle balls themselves and become part of the relevant psyche.   They in fact should have a dual role - be good in defence and ball carrying in traffic - but also effective in open field play.   Here we really have a problem.   Cotzee is not known for ever being part of attacking backline play - Louw virtually never does that and Alberts is useless in that regard.   Vermeulen can play looser as well - even though he rarely does that.   
I can see a role in the relevant regard for players like Jaco Kriel, Schalk Burger, Arno Botha and Lappies Labuschagne - the rest are just not players with the encessary capacity.   
Beeno has a point as well - we need to make absolutely sure that our Tight  5 is not reduced to a Tight 4 - with a player like Matfield moonlighting in the backline.   If you want a team playing rugby in tehstyle envisged by Meyer - you need the strongest and most effective Tight 5 to deal with the Tighter formats and with set piece competence.
Ball-in-hand play involves at least 9 to 10 players who has to have roles in that.         
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