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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
10 Sept 2014, 04:28
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10 Sept 2014, 04:28#1

The Springboks are going with a rookie to run the ship in Saturday's test against the All Blacks in Wellington.

20-year old Handre Pollard has been picked for just his fourth test, ahead of veteran first-five Morne Steyn.

Coach Heyneke Meyer says while some may view it as a big call, he doesn't see it that way.

Meyer says while it's not the same, Pollard was exceptional in the under-20 tournament and they believe he can play a huge part in the World Cup.

It's the only change to the team which lost to Australia last weekend.




Only one Change Steyn Gone and Pollard starts at Ten.


15. Willie Le Roux 14. Cornal Hendricks 13. Jan Serfontain 12. Jean De Villiars 11. Bryan Habana 10. Handre Pollard 9. Ruan Peinear 8. Duan Vermuluen 7. Marcel Cortzee 6. Francois Louwe 5. Victor Matfeild 4. Eben Estebeth 3. Jannie Du Pleesi 2. Adrian Strauss 1. Tendai Metiawaria 


16. Bismark Du Pleesi 17. Trevor Nyakene 18. Marcel Van Der Merwe 19. Lood De Jager 20. Warren Whitely 21. Francois Houggard 22. Pat Lambie 23. Damian De Allende

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ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
10 Sept 2014, 04:42
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10 Sept 2014, 04:42#2
 What a sad day its going to be for Handre Pollard.Just think...if he doesn't succeed now the rest of his rugby career would be tainted for this one test.HM deserves to be slapped multiple times.But anyway let us see what happens.I for one hope we win(it is after all my country) but I think this is cynical by Meyer.
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ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
10 Sept 2014, 05:48
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10 Sept 2014, 05:48#3
Cloudy this sort of thing has happened before....to a certain Gaffie du Toit.He was poor and he never wore a bok jersey again.I hope for his sake that things go well.It would be sad to see him ridiculed for something that is not his fault.  
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ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
10 Sept 2014, 06:02
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10 Sept 2014, 06:02#4
 My hope is that Peinaar gives Polard some quick accurate ball so at least he can make or break of his own accord. Hope he does well. I did think Bissie may have got a start.
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sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
10 Sept 2014, 06:25
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10 Sept 2014, 06:25#5
Claydog,
Fourie Dupreez is our general, it would have been better to have brought Pollard onboard during the championship with FDP as his half back partner. 
Pienaar has been providing poor to average service and just wants to kick the ball away, and it would be good to give another scrummie a chance to be more nippy around the base of the ruck to provide a faster clearance, or at least challenges the space around rucks. Pienaar and Morne together are not combining well as they both kick too much these days . 
With Morne and Pienaar, we have no own to take on the advantage line.
I am surprised Bismaark is not starting, but then again he is going to be a quality impact player of the bench. Maybe Strauss will just get the 1st half. 
Big surprise to that Moaning Steyn is not even on the bench, at least given how much meyer is a bg fan or Morne.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Sept 2014, 06:29
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10 Sept 2014, 06:29#6
The fact that Morne is not on the bench will give Pollard the sense he is the first choice flyhalf for the first time. I thought Hougaard might get the nod, and perhaps Bismarck as Clayhond suggests. The scrumming was better with Strauss though. And it's a strong team..this is going to be a full hearted effort from the Boks. 
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
10 Sept 2014, 07:17
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10 Sept 2014, 07:17#7
Meyer quotes on reasons for starting with Pollard:
"''It's probably seen a big call, but I don't see it as such,'' Meyer said today. ''We know what we have in Morne and he's always done well for us... I have a lot of confidence in Handre and I want to see what he can do at the highest level.

''It's a guy who I believe could play in the World Cup and play a huge part in the World Cup. He's just come into test match rugby, but he was very successful here [in New Zealand] in the under 20s tournament. I know its not the same, but I have a lot of confidence.

''He's a different type of player, but you have to do something different if you want to beat New Zealand. We want to evolve and play some attractive rugby so hopefully it's a dry field and we can play some attacking rugby.''

''I have always been criticised for being too conservative in picking guys, so to pick a 20-year old and a 21-year-old alongside each other I know they are going to be great players,'' he said. ''I have a lot of confidence. I have to expose him [Pollard] before the World Cup... I don't think you are going to beat the All Blacks, especially away from home if you just do the conventional.''


Problem is forecast for Wellington on Saturday is 90% chance of rain with winds at 18mph. I just hope Pollard and the Boks do a better job of adjusting to the conditions than they did in the first Argie test. I would have stuck with Morne and started Pollard in a situation where he had a better chance of success that was more conducive to his style of play. Will be pulling for the youngster to come through this though as on the flip side it could be a real confidence booster.


The conditions seem to be shaping up as ideal for a Bok upset - a proud powerful wounded animal ready to fight back. We are long overdue for a complete game against the AB's.


Boks and Argies to win this weekend. Fingers crossed










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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
10 Sept 2014, 07:29
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10 Sept 2014, 07:29#8
 I think the Abs can adapt to a pragmatic and expansive game plan. Boks maybe up for the game to finnally beat the abs, but so well nz so should be a good game. Im picking NZ by 8, but I am sure a lot disagree .
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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
10 Sept 2014, 08:12
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10 Sept 2014, 08:12#9
 Yeah regardless of the result, hope the ref is consistent for both sides, so no one can go ref screwed us! haha. 
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Sept 2014, 09:33
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10 Sept 2014, 09:33#10
I was hoping for a dry game. Had enough of slippety-slide rugby in this RC. Looks like Wellington will rain on the parade again, but one can hope for a small 80 minute window of reprieve I guess.
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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
10 Sept 2014, 09:41
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10 Sept 2014, 09:41#11

 I for one are not particularly concerned with a win for the Boks. I am hopeful, and would be well and truly over the moon if it were to happen. I just desperately want the Boks to threaten, show some cohesion and determination. More than anything I want Pollard to succeed, in that I mean not necessarily set the world alight (would be nice), but get in his grove and build that confidence and what better test than in NZ against the worlds best.

Good luck young man!

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ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
10 Sept 2014, 09:51
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10 Sept 2014, 09:51#12
I would like to see a close game but I can't see it on current form. Boks worked hard to loose to a below average Oz and against an above average ABs I just don't see it. NZ by 12. But I have been wrong before, once.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Sept 2014, 10:05
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10 Sept 2014, 10:05#13
 In harsh weather conditions we need a Tight 5 that can take the pressure to the opposition - unfortunately Meyer does not see it that way and picks a physically-deficient lock to decrease the functionality of the Tight  5.   
And poor Pollard is only a kid and he is saddled by a handicap in the form of Pienaar.   Those are basically the worst two selections Meyer could have dreamed up - but fortunately enough he forgot about Bakkies Botha, Morne Steyn and Gurthro  Steenkamp for the moment.
I frankly am not surprised about the total ignoring of Morne Steyn in this case and dear Morne may be out in future.   Maybe that abortion of a penalty line kick made by Steyn on Saturday - reminded Meyer of two similar kicks made by Steyn in the Eden Park tesr last year - as well as Morne's terribly clueless performance in the Dunedin test in 2012 - which caused his dropping from the team then. 
Mind you the last fiasco was not the first one this year either.   Morne did not meet his club rquirements this year and he was poorin all tests played.  Examples are -
*   the charge down kcik in the Pretoria test;*   the direct into touch kick by Morne that placed the Springboks under serious pressure in the Salta test; and*   his putrid defense last Saturday - even worse than the desperatekly poor tackling in the Ellis Park test last week.  
As I said before - pity that we stll have Ruan Pienaar and Matfield in the team - that killed all my hope for a reasonable performance on Saturday.   All I can say is I hope those two useless buggers are replaced early - or better still develop a pain in the arse before Saturday.     
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
10 Sept 2014, 10:26
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10 Sept 2014, 10:26#14
 
Sadly in Meyer's eyes this is our best team.

The rest of the planet knows we can do better.

Meyer doesn't have the goods on the park to beat the All Blacks.

All Blacks by at least 10.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Sept 2014, 10:33
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10 Sept 2014, 10:33#15
The disasterous pick is wee matfiled 106 kg at lock. Why Myer thinks he can field a tight 4 against the abs is sheer and utter madness. 
Any idea that Bissie cant scum is also daft. Put in Loodt and Bissie and you have a real hard edge added to the pack.
Will we have Pienaar kicking all our possesion aimlessly away yet again?? Another potentail disaster.
Trouble with a win is that it would keep matfiled in the side as the passenger he is. The possiblity that this show pony will be in our WC side is a nightmare. When will Meyer wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
10 Sept 2014, 10:58
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10 Sept 2014, 10:58#16
 
Come now Beandip ... we would like to stand a chance of winning our own lineout ... wouldn't we? We have no chance with Lood at 5.

It's an important set piece to win ... Matfield may not be the answer at scrum time nor in the tight loose ... but sadly neither is Lood. He's too damn docile. Plain useless if you ask me.

Much prefer Willemse.

Poor selections have forced us to play Matfield.

There is NO chance of us beating the All Blacks. NONE, NADA, FO-KOL ... so don't even bother getting your hopes up.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Sept 2014, 11:06
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10 Sept 2014, 11:06#17
 CCDe Jager may not be your cup of tea - but he is a hell of a lot strponger a player than Matfield is.  Meyer has done the subnlime silliness - he selected a Tight 4 against an AB Tight 5 - that is what I call kindergarten selection. 
Add to that the case where they might win the ball at times - and what will happen?  pienaar will hand the ball straight back to the AB's with one of his very own silly kicks - whikle Matfield prance around the park like the show pony he really is.
Incidentally  -  my forecast is worse - a loss by 20 points by the Springboks.      
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
10 Sept 2014, 11:20
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10 Sept 2014, 11:20#18

remember AIG are a few players down too - granted hometown advantage and ref already paid means could be a tough night for the bok.


I hope Bismarck comes on and gets some payback for last year's injustices and...

as for Pollard odds certainly against him... wet windy cold wellington against (cough gag) the best team in world rugby... anyway - talk about throwing someone in the deep end... 




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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
10 Sept 2014, 11:50
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10 Sept 2014, 11:50#19
 
Mike ... my reasoning is

1. Lood hasn't impressed at all in the tight loose. He's just too damn timid. We need a much more physical approach. Someone who'll get us over the gain line. A little go forward. This seems beyond him. That's strike 1.  

2. He's also shown us that he's clueless at 5 ... completely out of his depth. We end up losing our set piece because of his inability there. In other words, as a 5 lock, he can't even secure us our own ball, which by the way is the very reason he was selected to begin with. That might do it for you. It doesn't for me. That's strike 2.

3. I saw him scrumming and still our scrum when backward breaking the sound barrier.

So in other words, he's not contributing ANYTHING to the team.

Whats the point of even having him there? That I'm afraid is strike 3 in my opinion.

Matfield will at least win us our ball and possibly steal some opposition ball every now and then. Like it or not but he is the better option of the two.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I'm not prone to selecting any chump just so that I can stand my stubborn ground (anti Matfield) argument with Mozart.

It's silly.




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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Sept 2014, 13:02
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10 Sept 2014, 13:02#20
 Yep useless Pienaar and Matfield MUS T go next
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
10 Sept 2014, 15:20
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10 Sept 2014, 15:20#21
 
Sure ... as long as it's for the better of the team.

Not many are worse than Pienaar so that's an easy fix.

We need a specialist 5 lock. Lood isn't the answer, that's for damn sure.

Anyone know Bekker's number?

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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Sept 2014, 16:01
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10 Sept 2014, 16:01#22
 I much prefer how the ABs gradually introduce their young fellers to the big time without feeding them to the sharks .
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
10 Sept 2014, 16:22
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10 Sept 2014, 16:22#23
 
Our fool of a coach has had since 2012 to bring new blood in systematically.

Across the board.

He hasn't and this is the result of his incompetence.

It's two years later and he's still trying to find the right mix. - from prop to full back.

A clueless moron.




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Sept 2014, 16:35
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10 Sept 2014, 16:35#24
 CC
He brought in some players and then started remembering about his coachingg days at he Bulls when he oached his favourite players - and out of the window goes the newbies and in comes his erstwhile favourites - most of whom has been unable to play even one half--decent game of rugby for the past three years.  
That remains Meyer's problems - his inflated opinion of the ex-Bulls has beens and never has beens.  That automatically put an end to consistency in selections.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Sept 2014, 16:38
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10 Sept 2014, 16:38#25
We have options to burn at lock. Etzebeth is a dead cert and can play 4 or 5. Lood was the best lock in this s15 and is definitely the real deal and can play 4 or 5. Paul Willemse is a mountain of a man with plenty of grunt. He should have walked the squad ahead of old man Bakkies. Steph du Toit will be a welcome return and can play 4 or 5. Jacques du Plessis of the Bulls is a lock playing 7. This kid is the real deal.  Lewies of the Sharks was one of the finds of the season at 5....we are spoilt for choice at lock.
And it does not end at these names
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Sept 2014, 16:44
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10 Sept 2014, 16:44#26

New blood brought in by the coach.....

 

Willie... success 

 

Hendriks...likely success

 

Mvovo....fail

 

Basson...fail

 

JJ....fail

 

Taute....fail

 

 

De Allende....fail

 

 

Serfontein....likely fail

 

 

Jantjies....fail

 

 

Goosen....fail

 

 

Pollard....unknown

 

 

Hougaard at scrummie....fail

 

 

Malherbe.....fail

 

 

Marcel van der Merwe.....likely fail

 

 

Adriaanse....fail

 

 

Nyakane....likely fail

 

Werner Kruger....fail

 

Dean Greyling....fail

 

 

Coenie....fail

 

Strauss....success

 

 

Etzebeth....success

 

 

Juandre Kruger.....fail

 

 

Lood.....fail

 

 

Coetzee.....likely success

 

 

Kolisi....fail

 

 

Keegan Daniel....fail

 

 

Arno Botha....injury

 

 

 

By my count that's 26 new players in three years. Of which only 6 have not failed. And of those 6 only Willie, Etzebeth, Strauss and now Coetzee have become clear successes.

 

 

So is it that HM doesn't select new players....or that new players have simply not seized their chances.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Sept 2014, 17:10
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10 Sept 2014, 17:10#27
 
Mozart
Pure balls again.
Your list of failures have been dreamt up while hallucoinating.  Dea Allende, Goosen  and Serfomntein - you are talking BS.  They had very little opportunitues to play themselves in - because of other BS selections.
FHougaard and Malherbne - are you daft as well as stupid.  Malherbe never failed and he is injured at present.  Neither did De Jager fail.
Your concept of when players fail is when they pose a threat to your favourites and not based on their performances - or suimply when they are disliked by wyou for some or othjer simple reason.
Some of the players listed by you were never selected by Meyer - but  because he was familiar with them - ie they played for the Bulls.
The list ogf geriatricsw failures Meyer brought in are as long as he list pof other failures:-
*   Bakkies Botha  -  failed*   Ruan Pienaar   -  failed*   Jacque  Fourie -  failed*   CJ van der Linde - failed*   Juan Smith      -  failed*   Victor Matfiled -  Serious signs of failure*   Gurthro Steenkamp - failed 
Meyer's biggest failure has been Morne Steyn - why he lasted only Meyer would know.    
The above got more game time - yet they ultimately all produced near to zero and failed badly.   Matfield is still in - one wonders why - because he is really useless. 
You cannot play a player for one or two matches and thend ecide he is a failure.  Only an absolute idiot will do that and what is short in meyer is consistency in selections.   
Have you noticed how dsepressed some NZ correpsondents on this site is because Stey is not there to help them along like he did ever since 2012?   What a farce.  




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Sept 2014, 17:47
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10 Sept 2014, 17:47#28
Louw....success
Flip.....success
F du Preez...success
Hanana....continued success
Jean....continued success

Jannie...continued success
Matfield....success
JP....success
Fran's...success

So even if you call all those other guys failures, which I strongly reject, the success rate of older players under HM is well north of 50 per cent, not less than 25 per cent for newbies.
But the point here is every worthy newbie has had his chance. Nobody who would make a dif at test level has been denied.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Sept 2014, 18:20
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10 Sept 2014, 18:20#29
 Haha its so funny that Matfield is down as a success.......about sums up your take on all the youngsters.
Moffie your little effort has stuff all to do with merit and everything to do with your prejudices. 
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
10 Sept 2014, 18:26
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10 Sept 2014, 18:26#30
 

Mozart … let’s be fair, huh?


The players that should NOT have been given a shot to begin with  ... EVER ... are


Hnedricks,

Basson

JJ

Taute

Jantjies

Goosen

HouGat

Adriaanse

Werner Kruger

Greyling

Juandre

Lood

Kolisi

Daniels


That's 14 on your list that should NEVER have been considered for national duty.


The players from your list that weren’t given a proper run are


Mvovo

De Allende

Serfontein

Pollard

Malherbe

Marcell

Nyakane

Coetzee

Arno Botha


That's 9 players that weren't given a proper decent shot at settling.


Instead he brings in the Matfields, the Bakkies, the Gurthros, Du Preez's, the Steyns and Kirchners of the world ... all of which are practically retired ... they're worn out hasbeens, past their prime by some way.


Please don't come tell us that Meyer did his best to blood young TALENT in the last near on three years. We both know that that is the biggest pile of steaming horse shyte ever conjured.


He's been fixated on Bulls and geriatrics ... it backfired on him. Now he must be held to account for his incompetence.


Take Serfontein as an example. The lad may well have say 15 caps. However for each cap he got to spend 5 minutes on the park. Does that constitute a proper run?


I don't think so.


Any decent coach would have had his world cup team sorted by now ... or at least as close as dammit. Not Meyer. The fool's still scratching his head, confused, bewildered.


Fool of a coach.

 



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Sept 2014, 18:33
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10 Sept 2014, 18:33#31
Wrong JJ, Taute, Goosen,  Hougaard, Lood and Kolisi are all worthy and all of them have been anything but failures.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Sept 2014, 18:59
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10 Sept 2014, 18:59#32
 "not one of them has been anything but failures"

That means they've all been failures, just so you know.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Sept 2014, 22:40
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10 Sept 2014, 22:40#33
Nice fix Dave, you do sound a lot like Yoda most of the time. But try and keep your negatives down to two per sentence.
The fact is the ABs are struggling to accommodate all their new talent....Barrett and Fekitoa would start for theBoks. The Boks by contrast haven't left out one  player who has a high probability of making a difference.
As for your list Cleangene, Mvovo has had chances in the past.
 Serfontein is a fair case because he hasn't had a run at 12...but he has for the Bools with little to show this year. 
De Allende has not done enough to be a Bok candidate. He was unconvincing against the Bargies...a limited exposure, but not encouraging.
Malherbe has spent more time on the deck than upright...Narcel impressed nobody scrumming against Scotland, and scrumming is a you got it or not thing.
Nyakane has been out of shape for test rugby. And HM put faith in Arno. Many of us liked him but that injury on the field where everybody seemed to get hurt, did him in.
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
10 Sept 2014, 22:48
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10 Sept 2014, 22:48#34
Speaking of Kolisi ...... he has show renewed commitment in the Currie Cup - more like the stuff that got him on the Bok squad in the first place. Sure its only the Currie Cup but its a huge difference to what we saw in Super Rugby where he was just going through the motions.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Sept 2014, 22:54
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10 Sept 2014, 22:54#35
 de Allende was our best centre in the s15 by some distance so of course he merited bok selection, the fact that our useless coach dropped him after 2 tests speaks volumes for the fool.
Your take on malherbe is just a lie and you have been exposed on that point, same goes for marcel.
If Nkanyane is unfit for test rugby then what does that make of fat steenkamp.  But as the cheetahs conditioning coach said, the question marks around his fitness were unjustified.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Sept 2014, 23:21
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10 Sept 2014, 23:21#36
 Kolisi is a quality player better than louw. Carr deserves a cracking as well
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Sept 2014, 01:03
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11 Sept 2014, 01:03#37
Sure Dave,  it's all true....but only if JJ becomes Danie Gerber. WAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Sept 2014, 01:50
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11 Sept 2014, 01:50#38
 Damn right it's true he was the best of the 13 ' s mentioned and by some distance to be exact.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Sept 2014, 02:17
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11 Sept 2014, 02:17#39

That's the spirit, now all he has to do is score some great tries for the Springboks and dominate the world's best and he'd be Danie Gerber and you'd be a profit. But right now you are looking like the Wall Street analyst that gave the market a strong buy signal in A ugust of 08.

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