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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
16 Jun 2013, 20:23
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16 Jun 2013, 20:23#1

Springboks survive Scottish scare

 

The Springboks regrouped timeously enough after halftime to avoid the ultimate embarrassment, but their 30-17 win over Scotland in their second Castle Incoming Tours Series test at Mbombela Stadium will have left coach Heyneke Meyer with plenty to think about.

 

Indeed, although beaten in the end, it was Scotland who would have ended the game feeling the happier of the teams, for theirs was a rousing display and a vast improvement on the performance they delivered when defeated for the first time ever by Samoa seven days previously.

It was on the basis of that Scotland defeat and the Springboks’ emphatic win over Italy later in the day at Kings Park on the first Saturday of the series, that the home side started this game as such overwhelming favourites.

But like they have done so often on the other side of the equator in Edinburgh over the past decade, the Scots gave the Boks a much better game than expected and it led to Jean de Villiers’ men losing composure.

If you didn’t see the game, don’t read the final score as a completely accurate reflection of what happened. What might be more pertinent in telling the story of this match than the final score is to say that with six minutes to go, there were only three points in it as the Boks led 20-17.

It was then that replacement flyhalf Patrick Lambie stepped up to kick a penalty to make it a six point buffer.

And then right on the final whistle, with the Scots out on their feet after throwing the kitchen sink at the bigger and stronger South Africans for nearly 80 minutes, young centre Jan Serfontein dropped in to score his first of what should be many tries for the Boks to give the scoreline a slightly flattering look.

That the game would effectively be in the balance until the last minute of the match would not have been anticipated beforehand.

And neither would the 10-6 halftime Scotland lead, or the 17-6 lead four minutes into the second half. An 11-point lead with not that much more than half an hour to go – surely that was a joke?

But it wasn’t, and in the end the Scots stretched the Boks and gave them a game. That may have been a good thing for the South Africans.

Although the Scots will be happy with the brave defeat, maybe it was the Boks who got more out of the game – in the sense that the way they struggled when unable to breach the gainline and knock the Scots back in the collisions was a timely wake-up call for the South Africans, who may have been drawn in by the hubris after last week’s game, where frankly some of the reaction was over the top.

The Boks, with their game-plan, are always ordinary when they don’t get thrust across the gainline and when they fail to dominate the first-phase battle.

And when the pressure was on in that first half it was much easier to see than it was in Durban why until relatively recently Meyer considered Willie le Roux a risky option at fullback.

In fact, considering the retention of the starting team was a departure from the stated intention at the start of the series, the cynical among us may even have wondered if that was Meyer’s reasoning – give all the new players another go and check to see if last week was reality or just an illusion.

Not that Le Roux deserves to be picked on for he did do some good things in the second half when the Boks were more in the game. And it was hardly the fault of the backline that the team struggled so much in the first half.

The breakdowns, an area of prime focus in this match, were one of the areas where the Boks fell significantly short – and Francois Louw should be able to go into married life on Sunday resting assured that his place in the Springbok team is secure.

Yes, of course Louw is an allrounder and has other attributes, but it’s his ball scavenging and ability to process the ball at the breakdown that is his biggest asset to the Boks.

When he’s not there they need someone like him, and while not an allrounder like Louw, Heinrich Brussow is surely the man who should be relied upon as back-up.

The Boks weren’t helped by losing Arno Botha, the designated big ball-carrying flanker, early in the game to a knee injury.

Siya Kolisi, the man who replaced him, deservedly won the man of the match award on debut for what he did with ball in hand, but the Boks definitely missed Botha’s brute strength.

The Bulls flanker’s role in setting his team on the road to victory in his debut match against Italy may have been undervalued. Kolisi played well, but the replacement wasn’t really like for like in terms of what they bring.

But full marks to the Scots for the way they pinpointed where the Boks needed to be fronted – and they did it.

Their defensive game was a massive improvement on the previous week against Samoa, with their linespeed giving the Boks little space to work with in that first half.

Without someone to tidy up and secure the loose ball when they went into the collisions, that aspect of the game was a nightmare when the South Africans were unable to protect their possession, which was most of the first 50 minutes.

The lineouts were problematic too, and the inability of the Boks to dominate that phase was one of the reasons their performance in this game was markedly inferior to a week earlier.

The Scots were feisty from the early minutes, throwing themselves at the Boks like men possessed, and some strong runs were made up the middle.

Visiting flyhalf Greig Laidlaw kicked the first points of the match with a penalty, but Morne Steyn equalized and then took the lead for the Boks with penalties of his own.

The first try of the match was created for the Scots by a great chip and gather out on the right by left wing Sean Lamont, with the Boks always looking short of defenders once the ball was spun to the left and inside centre Matt Scott went over easy as you like.

Laidlaw’s conversion was the last score of the half with 20 minutes of it left, although the Boks did turn down two kickable penalties only to see first-phase possession in the strike zone wasted by poor lineout work.

Outside centre Alex Dunbar went over in the left corner to complete the second try after a sustained build-up, but that was it for the Scots, who weren’t helped by having their lock Jim Hamilton yellow carded for slapping Eben Etzebeth a few minutes later.

A penalty try was awarded to the Boks as the pack rumbled up to the line, and then Engelbrecht did his bit by helping put in JJ Engelbrecht for the try that put the Boks into a lead in the 55th minute that they were never to relinquish.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
16 Jun 2013, 20:30
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16 Jun 2013, 20:30#2

 Sasuke did you write it yourself?

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
16 Jun 2013, 20:50
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16 Jun 2013, 20:50#3

average perforamnce from the Boks, but its hard for any team to play a good game every game, just ask the All Blacks who saved their worst game of the season for the last and first loss of the 2012 season.
had meyer played his top team, the results most likely would have been the Boks killing the brave scots.

the way NH refs have a huge factor on the games IMO, the Boks are use to players being penalised if they dont get out of the way fast ebough, sometimes harshly, but its been the mos consistent theme amongst the spXV refs, the NH refs dont ping players any where near as much and the Boks can feel a little hard done by cos scots got away with it a iot.
the same thing happened in the All Blacks french game mainly in the first test though, but the All Blacks adapted quicker to this, and the Boks did not.

dont know what the problem is with skinstadt saying that scots were playing negatively nearly every 30 seconds, jeebers what a tool. scots played hard and often were the more physical of the two, especially in the first half, very dodgy biased commenting, but i expect nothing else from him.

morne was pretty average, but hard to get any go forward when their forwards are barely gaining parity. i still reckon hes better then lambie though, and meyer should stick with him and play lambie of the bench. lambies spXV perforamnce has beena  complete dud, prob the worst flyhalf after janties and that includes both NZ and OZ teams too.

i reckon the real shock was strauss, when was the lasrt time u seen an average peformance from strauss??? wouldnt be surprised if u have to back to 2011, cos i cant think of one in the last two years.
could having bizzy on the bench have played a factor??? knowing that player who was considered by all as the best hooker in the game back on the bench would make any hooker uncomfortable, LMAO, :oD
strauss needs to chill out though if that is the case, hes the incumbent period, and its bizzy who nees to prove himself.

both kruger and ezeebth were big yawn, jeebers, a few folks here will be feeling embarresed after orgasaming their predictions on his level of impact.
credit to his temeper though when he was baited by one of the scots, i thought he was going to crack it again for sure.

real shame about botha whos now out for the season, the dude had a ton of potential and was getting better and better with every game, its fair to say he was still a long way from reaching his potential, but hopefully he comes back stronger in 2014. when i saw that injury i thought his season was a goner for sure.

whats with Bok players scheduling their weddings in june??? first steyn and now louw??? surely louw could have planned it better, one wonders who wears the pants in the relationship when Boks get married, LMAO, :oD

the props need to be addressed big time, they were outplayed big time. its good that cooenie can play either side, its a pity he cant play both sides at the same time, cos that would be one problem solved..

cant wait for the Boks manu samoa match, thats going to be a beauty. if manu samoa can front up on the day they will be tough, i would still expect the Boks to win though, but it could be just the challenge meyere needs for the 4nats.
meyer needs his fukll strength team though, anything less will jjust be asking for trouble.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
16 Jun 2013, 21:58
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16 Jun 2013, 21:58#4

Sasuke we are the bad boys of rugby. We commit a few infringements we get yellow carded. We do not have that leniency. 

 

We are predictable and we tell the opposition what we going to do. Hence our slow ball and inibality to score tires at times.  Going to be a long hard year for us

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
16 Jun 2013, 22:40
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16 Jun 2013, 22:40#5

@spoony,

rubbish call about the yellow cards, they dont fare as bad or as well as any other team, certain players have a rep though and lady elizabeth is one who is building his, but credit to him yesterday, kept his cool when the Boks needed him to the most. now if would take on his stealth rugby gears off so that he can pop up on the radar.

everyone goes through predictable phases, IMO the All Blacks have been the worst, always shuffling the ball from side to side with little one off rrunners around the fringes of the breakdown. french recgonised this very well big time last week and would often allow the All Black players to go thorugh the first defender so that they could find themseleves isolated and pounce on it.
the shuffling of the ball from side to side when the All Blacks hadnt eraned the right to do so was annoying and yesterday they took care of that problem by using a pro kicking game to full effect and working of that to monster the french out of any meaningful territory.
this attacking ploy is very good for teams who employ rush defence like the Boks and england.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
16 Jun 2013, 23:00
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16 Jun 2013, 23:00#6

@Sasuke yeah we being going through it the last 20 years lol

 

As for the nonsense

New Zealand. 43 penalties per yellow card.
Wallabies. 7 penalties per yellow card.
South Africa. 6 penalties per yellow card.

 

Btw SA gives away less penalties than NZ and Australia

 

SA Pen for 68  Pen against  58

NZ 69 72

Australia 64 72

Argentina 74 73
 

NZ just 1 yellow. Offside at the ruck

Australia 4 yellows 2x for not rolling away

 

For their high penalty count NZ have gotten 1 yellow for 2012 and none for 2011. 

 

 

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
17 Jun 2013, 04:55
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17 Jun 2013, 04:55#7

 Spoony - very interesting stats - please cite source?

 

thanks

 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
17 Jun 2013, 09:20
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17 Jun 2013, 09:20#8

"For their high penalty count NZ have gotten 1 yellow for 2012 and none for 2011."

very interesting stats??? more like very interesting bull shit, LMFAO, :oD

check out the 2011 RWC semifinal between the All Blacks vs wallabies, SBW was sinbinned for a shopulder charge.

2012 3rd bledisloe woodcock was yellow carded after not releasing in a tackle.
2012 EOYT, thomoson was sinbineed against scotland for use of the feet and whioch he was later suspended for.

and thats of the top of my head, im sure after further investigation the rest of that spoony fed drivel would be the same.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
17 Jun 2013, 19:36
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17 Jun 2013, 19:36#9

hmmmmmm a lot of comments from spoony today, but this article seems to be flying low under his radar, but i guess after that cyber gaffe, im not surprised. :o/

@oimatey,
heres a link to the site where those stats were sourced from,,,
www.nationalclownweek.org/clown%20college.shtml
its preety much what u would expect for such reliable stats, LMAO, :oD

BB
Bok -Bef$KClub Pro216 posts
18 Jun 2013, 14:17
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18 Jun 2013, 14:17#10

Please fire the person who made the decision to put "lime" green on that white jersey!!!

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
18 Jun 2013, 15:57
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18 Jun 2013, 15:57#11

maybe it was the same person who supplied those inaccurate yellow card stats aka nonsense, :oD

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
18 Jun 2013, 18:07
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18 Jun 2013, 18:07#12

oimatey its from the IRB statistical anlasys of the TRC which is available for download on the IRB site. 

 

Sasuke please do not make up your own stuff please. If you are trying to discredit some one please do when they are present or ask them where they got it from. 

http://www.irb.com/mm/document/newsmedia/mediazone/02/06/51/05/2012therugbychampionship.pdf

 

 A article on the Green & Gold Rugby website gives a tally of the penalties and yellow cards awarded in the Tri Nations tournament to date which.was up and till 2010. They have calculated the “penalties-per-yellow card” suffered by each team  

I rest my case

 

Cheers

 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
18 Jun 2013, 23:26
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18 Jun 2013, 23:26#13

@spoony,
oh so u meant in the TriNats/IRC, did u see where u mentioned that in ur original postings??? yeah well neither did i.

im not surprised though, in 2011 Boks had one yellow and the All Blacks zero, big whoop. in 2012 Boks had 2  yellows and All Blacks had one, i can remember one of those Boks yellows goes to greyling for being a dirty prick, so ur yellow cards arent exactly not justified.

one common fact in rugby of any level is that teams defending give away more penalties. then teams who are attacking. is anyoine surprised then at the number of penalties conceded between Boks and the All Blacks??? all this proves is what everyone already knows, theres a light a few light years of seperation between the All Blacks exciting running game and bafana bafanas i mean the Springboks mundane 10 man rugby which i have seen them play my enitre life.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
19 Jun 2013, 00:40
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19 Jun 2013, 00:40#14

sasuke. I posted the yellow cards per penalty average.

 

Then I posted last years penalty toals as to show how much less penalties SA concede. Every tri natiion tournament we concede the least amount of penalties but end up with ridicilous yellow card totals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pdr-W775hk4

 

 

 

How much proof do you need? We concede less penalties. We play within the laws mostly during ruck time and few time we do overstep referees seem to card us. How the fuck do you test out a referees interpertation and adjust to it when they bloody yellow card you for it after a couple of times. McCaw can do it five times a half and we see AB concede like 70 penalties a game and end up with 1 or 0 card stats a tournament. Further more they can spear players not even getting a yellow. Its redicilious. No wonder we have fuck all fetchers in this country. 

 There certainly is a basis for the notion that the Aussies and Kiwis have influenced the lawmakers in their favor. Just look at what happened to South Africa after they won the 2007 world cup. We were clearly the best side in the world at NT level,our super rugby teams were dominant and we just been the first all south african final between the Bulls and the Sharks.. So what happens? Some clever revisions to the touch-kicking laws that took away our advantage over NZ and Aussie teams at a stroke! All apparently in the interests of a faster more entertaining game of course – and just incidentally giving the AB’s and Wallabies a big leg up.
 

And please don't mention Bafana Bafana. Pathetic bunch of fuck ups in the history of SA sports. Can't even beat a shit hole like Ethopia. But you must remember most football teams are based at high altitude. Which is shit for football. 

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