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Springboks wing Raymond Rhule dropped despite coach Allister Coetzee's comments; Rugby Stuff

Started by Just_win25 REPLIES859 VIEWS· 26 Sept 2017, 22:09
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Sept 2017, 22:09
#1
26 Sept 2017, 22:09#1

A day after Springboks coach Allister Coetzee said he wouldn't "chuck him away" after one bad performance, under-fire winger Raymond Rhule has been dropped for Sunday's clash against the Wallabies.

 

Rhule will rejoin his Cheetahs team-mates and is available for Pro 14 selection after South Africa cut three players from their squad for Sunday morning's (NZ time) Rugby Championship test against Australia.

 

The 24-year-old has paid the price after copping heavy criticism for missing nine tackles in a 57-0 mauling against New Zealand.

 

But his axing comes as a surprise after Coetzee launched a strong defence of Rhule on Tuesday, saying people had forgotten how good he was against Australia in their draw earlier this month and that he would persist with him.

 

 

Coetzee has also sent forward Dan du Preez and winger S'busiso Nkosi back to the Sharks for Currie Cup duty.

 

The Springboks are due to name their full team on Thursday.

 

Backline coach Franco Smith said they cannot afford to be wasteful in possession against the Wallabies, who are hunting their first win in Africa since 2011.

 

"To turn it around, we have to ensure we are a factor with ball in hand," said Smith.

 

"We have to re-establish our general shape on attack, and to give ourselves the best chances to score by looking after possession, and then we need to convert our opportunities with that try-scoring mentality."

 

 - AAP

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Sept 2017, 22:11
#2
26 Sept 2017, 22:11#2
 Well that should put a smile of a few faces on the forum. I expect we will now hear an announcement that Houguaard has been selected for the wing spot.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
26 Sept 2017, 22:13
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26 Sept 2017, 22:13#3
 I have said it before and will say again, Raymond Mule is a defensive liability
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
26 Sept 2017, 23:08
#4
26 Sept 2017, 23:08#4
 We have to re-establish our general shape on attack.
Re-establish our shape he says...really?? Wait on....when was it established, BS....there's never been shape in the Bok backline, not that I know of.....perhaps before re-admission but not since. I've been lamenting a lack of shape for months  and now the fool Franco speaks like it's always been there.....dear me.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Sept 2017, 00:14
#5
27 Sept 2017, 00:14#5
Franco has masterminded the Cheetahs, perhaps he should have gone back to his province with Rhule. One would surmise that the reaction Coetzee got to his Rhule defence persuaded him to punt. What a leader.....let's tackle the real problem and get a head coach.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Sept 2017, 00:32
#6
27 Sept 2017, 00:32#6
The lingering question is how long are we to suffer another Pretender.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Sept 2017, 06:43
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27 Sept 2017, 06:43#7
 Another tragic case of disinformation on the defense coaching issue, but leave it there,
It is clear that there was severe pressure on Coetzee to drop Rhule from the squad and  in his case he would be left with the Cheetahs and not recalled later on.   
Nkosi has also been released by Coetzee - which means that the wing selection for Saturday will be Leyds and Skosan,   Both are midgets and even though Skosan was better than Rhule - he is still a poor selection.   Will Leyds be any better on defense?   I doubt it very much.
This kind of BS must stop asap and the problem remains the head coach - not attack his subordinates,   The supporting coaches needs to work with what is selected and wh en that selection is made they have to try and shape up the players into something usable,    Can they turn sh!t into butter?      
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
27 Sept 2017, 07:30
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27 Sept 2017, 07:30#8

See ... I told you that Nkosi would not get a run. It's all part of Tottie's carefully structured plan to hide the quota.

Same goes for Wilco Louw. He's just too good a tighthead. Cheeseburger Nyakane would look poor in comparison and Beast would struggle to keep up after 10 minutes.

Unfortunately we only have so many good players of colour. The majority of them are like Rhule and Paige ... Trevor and Cassiem ... Jantjies and Skosan. Bringing in one top class player like Nkosi would expose them all and present Tottie with a problem.

Yes ... I do agree that Tottie is a complete m0r0n ... but he's also a racist on a mission.






DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Sept 2017, 07:46
#9
27 Sept 2017, 07:46#9
 Cheese Hamburger Nyakane would look poor in comparison and Beast would struggle to keep up after 10 minutes.
Fixed.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Sept 2017, 08:23
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27 Sept 2017, 08:23#10
 @ Denny
How long are we gonna suffer another pretender?
My JA lies over the oceanMy JA lies over the seaOh bring back, oh bring backOh bring back my JA to me, to me!
:)
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 Sept 2017, 08:24
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27 Sept 2017, 08:24#11
Let's just be grateful that Mrs Squire has finally been dropped.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Sept 2017, 08:32
#12
27 Sept 2017, 08:32#12
 @ Plum
Some people got the real problems
Some people out of luck
Some people think I can solve them
Lord heavens above
I'm only human after all
I'm only human after all
Don't put the blame on me
Don't put the blame on me
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
27 Sept 2017, 10:57
#13
27 Sept 2017, 10:57#13
 We need better outside backs, we have them but because they don't fit in with transformation, they are deliberately over looked. We have the size and experience
Imagine a back 3 of 
CombrinkLe Roux Kobus Van Wyk
but then Coetzee looses 2 more players of colour in his squad. 
I do like Nkosi, but it think it is to soon to rush him in. Need a couple of more seasons and probably will have his chance next year to make his mark on Super Rugby, especially now that they have sorted out the comp. We should be able to see him play against the best NZ and Australia has to offer. 
I'm also holding out for Senatla, 
Imagine having those 2 wingers, well seasoned and street smart that can tear defences to shreds. Chuck in Le Roux l to break the line and get these guys going and we are on to a winner. 
I'm not jumping on the Gelant band wagging, he had a poor season in super rugby, but Mitch seems to rate him. Lets see what he can do next year. 
These are all promising players, but they need to earn their way, not just chucked in because they have potential rather than credit. 
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Sept 2017, 11:10
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27 Sept 2017, 11:10#14
 @ Denny

You know i stopped work, got my headphones out and put that song on. I don't know how people come up with these melodies man. Music really is an awesome mystery. Maybe it's jus t the blues 

Here's a version of it that ain't too bad...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpbtKjpIwDc
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Sept 2017, 12:11
#15
27 Sept 2017, 12:11#15
 @ Plum
Awesome mate....F&&%$G awesome! Now if only we had ourselves a Bob Marley version(sigh)
Tit for Tat....here's one of my all-time favourites....
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=with+a+little+help+from+my+friends&view=detail&mid=1FC6E86F069A7C8FE2821 FC6E86F069A7C8FE282&FORM=VIRE
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Sept 2017, 12:13
#16
27 Sept 2017, 12:13#16
 I'm also holding out for Senatla, 
Why? Another midget?...surely not.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
27 Sept 2017, 12:31
#17
27 Sept 2017, 12:31#17
 I'm not against Rhule's dropping and it's an improvement but little patch ups are quite absurd...frankly I sincerely believe that AC does not have a foggiest clue to what he's doing...have a sneaking suspicion that 10 man rugby (without a constant kicker) will be reverted to and /or a tightened game. Australia are not the same slick and creative innovators as NZ but have a better attack than the present Boks could leak a few tries and if the Ozzies find a few gaps they might win...it's not that they are bad but we are like lost farts in a thunderstorm with leadership issues and game plans.

The Boks will be smarting and on the warpath but lack of cohesion and direction will cost us....Oz by 10-12 points.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
27 Sept 2017, 14:51
#18
27 Sept 2017, 14:51#18
@Plum. Sure, Human is a great song but for some reason Odetta is being overlooked. Take a listen: https://youtu.be/xvqqk2yn5W4
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
27 Sept 2017, 19:13
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27 Sept 2017, 19:13#19
 It's all part of Tottie's carefully structured plan to hide the quota.

Hiding visible things in plain sight.

SA strives to hide that SA has not yet trained one single decent non white players.

That is what is hidden. The selection staff must make with a very limited pool as there are not many non white professional players in SA.

This player, who is just another quota player in the making, is not given a run to avoid exposing him.

Once he is burst, there are fewer and fewer candidates.

SA must conceal at all costs that in 25 years, they were unable to train one decent non white players. The few who could run a make believe game are spared and managed carefully.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 Sept 2017, 19:20
#20
27 Sept 2017, 19:20#20
"SA must conceal at all costs that in 25 years, they were unable to train one decent non white players."
Tendai Mtawarira, Bryan Habana, Siya Kolisi, Breyton Paulse? Not even "decent" Springboks?
The TiredRacist, your credibility is shot and you're trying too hard. You've just become boring. Sorry - I know you'll reply with some unintelligible garbage to obfuscate what I'm saying - but it's the truth. 
You need a new routine.


TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
27 Sept 2017, 19:27
#21
27 Sept 2017, 19:27#21
 The first one is not even born in SA.

Three are products of the non professional era (you know, that turn SA failed to take) and are POCs.

The left one is a quota player.

So not a single one.

No new routine is required: the depiction of how things are is enough.

SA, in 25 years, have not trained one single decent non white player. Other nations have.

It is over.


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
27 Sept 2017, 20:24
#22
27 Sept 2017, 20:24#22
Bryan Habana is arguably the best SA player in the professional era. He would have walked into the world XV for much of his career
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 Sept 2017, 22:19
#23
27 Sept 2017, 22:19#23
"The first one is not even born in SA."
Who said he was? You didn't say "born", chump, you said "train".
Which are the three that played in the non-professional era? Huh?
Don't worry, TiredRacist, I don't expect a straight answer from a weak little attention-seeker like you. You're not just a boring insignifi cance, you're also too stupid to waste any time on.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Sept 2017, 23:04
#24
27 Sept 2017, 23:04#24
 @ Denny
There is a really good doc about Joe Cocker on Netflix. Might be worth a watch if you're a fan. Such an awkward style he had. 
@ Cera 
That link is broke. Not broke like poor...broke like stukkend ou perd :/
Found the song anyway though. Nice pick. 
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
28 Sept 2017, 02:45
#25
28 Sept 2017, 02:45#25
 Seems to me the poor buggers get tossed in the deep end and without so much as a set of water wings eh ? There seems to be nothing like the ABs setup where even guys who would walk in to any other team are often taken on tour as part of the wider training group first, then gradually introduced into the team setup before getting a run on in a test.Just grab 'em chuck ' em in and hope for the best seems to be Coetzes way.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
28 Sept 2017, 10:34
#26
28 Sept 2017, 10:34#26
Then again. How deep is the deep end? Theoretically he was thrown in at the deep end but in reality, according to his CV and SARU, he is a deep sea diver.
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