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Young Overseas based Players Rassie Should be picking

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
17 Oct 2018, 15:55
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17 Oct 2018, 15:55#1

So I have been following movements on a lot of our younger players who have decided to focus on their career and not throw their lot in with the Springboks are race based selections. 


I have been mainly focussing on some of our under 21 stars that some how been forgotten. Especially our 2012 baby bok team that now are predominantly playing for French Clubs. 


Wing


Duhan Van Der Merwe


Currently playing for Glasgow and has been terrific form at the end of last and showed great signs again this year. 

Date of birth4 June 1995 (age 23)Place of birthGeorgeSouth AfricaHeight1.93 m (6 ft 4 in)Weight100 kg (220 lb)The kid has all the attributes to compete against the likes Ioni and has some series pace and not to mention an exceptional defence. Which our wingers are lacking
Center 
Jan Serfonteyn 
Date of birth15 April 1993 (age 25)Place of birthPort Elizabeth, South AfricaHeight1.88 m (6 ft 2 in)Weight97 kg (15 st 4 lb; 214 lb)
We should get him in the squad, he still has many years ahead of him and great player to have on the bench or start at either 13 or 12. Better than our current center options. 
Would have loved to see him and Jessie developing for the boks
8 Full nameWillem Andries LiebenbergDate of birth31 August 1992 (age 26)Place of birthBrackenfellSouth AfricaHeight1.89 m (6 ft 2 1?2 in)Weight105 kg (16 st 7 lb; 231 lb)Another forgotten junior bok that had a couple of good season but now looking to qualify for France. Not the biggest but is for sure better than Notshe and Kolis
Lock
Jaque Du PlessisDate of birth12 August 1993 (age 25)Place of birthPongola, South AfricaHeight2.01 m (6 ft 7 in)Weight119 kg (18 st 10 lb; 262 lb)
The bulls tear away flanker come lock, clocking up the game time for Montpellier and we could do with a genuine 7 if PSDT broke down. Real ball carrying bruiser
Paul Willemse
Date of birth13 November 1992 (age 25)Place of birthPretoriaSouth AfricaHeight2.01 m (6 ft 7 in)Weight135 kg (21 st 4 lb; 298 lb)
Big Bruiser that can add power to our scrums and go forward around the tight exchanges. Why battle with Lood and only expect Etzebeth to be our only enforcer

For me the biggest loss is Duhan Van Der Merwe. We could do with having him and having some size in our back three. 
Any young overseas players that you think Rassie should include in his squad
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 15:58
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17 Oct 2018, 15:58#2

Isn't this the same Willemse playing for France now?

I agree, Serfontein should be in the squad. André and Serf will provide good service at 12, and the latter can cover 13 well. 

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WardadPro6,663 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:15
#3
17 Oct 2018, 16:15#3

So Auggie is the Kiwi way of not picking OS players better ? Or would that not work for you guys ?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:16
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17 Oct 2018, 16:16#4

Kingcorn

Thanks for the above.  Just some comments to add.

I mentioned Duhan van der Merwe before the 2013 Under 20 World Cup as a potential top class player.  He is the brother of Akker van der Merwe.

His playing career in SA went haywire.   As per normal he went to the Bulls and that was enough to destroy his career in SA.   They virtually never used him and he ended up with being a junior player at Montpellier.   He played in one or two matches for Montpellier in 2016 and I can remember that in one game he scored a magnificent try under the post.

In 2017 he moved to Glasgow and towards the end of 2017 he started perfor ming on top class level for Glasgow.

There is one other thing - Duhan cannot play for any other test team as he played for SA on junior level. 

Serfontein - is likely to be selected for the EOYT anyway.

Liebenberg  -  Not sure but I feel his selection will be highly unlikely  

Du Plessis and Willemse     -    Strong competition of  existing test players ahead of them in the que.     

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:16
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17 Oct 2018, 16:16#5

Duplicate

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:24
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17 Oct 2018, 16:24#6
Duhan Sounds interesting......we are still looking for a JP replacement......a big wing who can cut in from the blindside and dominate the airwaves.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:29
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17 Oct 2018, 16:29#7

I looked outside to see whether the sky has not fallen in - you make positive comments on a player I mentioned years ago could easily cause such a disaster. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:34
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17 Oct 2018, 16:34#8
Always looking for a reason to agree with you Tokkie....you know I'm a big fan.
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
17 Oct 2018, 16:52
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17 Oct 2018, 16:52#9

On Duhan, j ust watch this real of him playing. I can't believe Rassie as not sat up and take note. Glasgow is one of the top performing Pro 14 clubs. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZNzYpMOAHE

I hope Rassie brings him for the end of year tour. 

We need this kid


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:05
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17 Oct 2018, 17:05#10

I would prefer him to anyone else as full back and wing cover in the Springbok squad.  This guy has the strength of an ox as well as speed - so he may also make a good center.

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:13
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17 Oct 2018, 17:13#11
Man that kid is impressive....size, terrific upper body strength, pace, a great step....and above all quick reactions. He reminds me of the young Gert Muller. A combination of him and Dyantyi covers a lot of bases. Not sure about these new Boere names though...Duhan....sounds like some kind of Turk!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:29
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17 Oct 2018, 17:29#12

Mozart

His parents live in George and he probably a dual combination as a name with the first two letters representing one name and "han" representing the last three letters of "johan"

Not sure, but I believe his mother was an SA Hockey Player.

Reminds me a lot of George North - the Wales wing.   

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:29
#13
17 Oct 2018, 17:29#13

Mozart

His parents live in George and he probably a dual combination as a name with the first two letters representing one name and "han" representing the last three letters of "johan"

Not sure, but I believe his mother was an SA Hockey Player.

Reminds me a lot of George North - the Wales wing.   

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:29
#14
17 Oct 2018, 17:29#14

Mozart

His parents live in George and he probably a dual combination as a name with the first two letters representing one name and "han" representing the last three letters of "johan"

Not sure, but I believe his mother was an SA Hockey Player.

Reminds me a lot of George North - the Wales wing.   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 17:38
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17 Oct 2018, 17:38#15

Some nice play there. He does indeed look very strong. Stronger than many of our centres. He'll never play for the Boks on the wing though, those are non-White positions. When was the last white Bok wing? Willie in 2013? They are quite rare. Before Willie, who was there? 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Oct 2018, 18:56
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17 Oct 2018, 18:56#16
Add Ollie Kebble and Pierre Schoeman as back up looseheads to Kitshoff. I’d cap Jean Kleyn of Munster as well. Huge unit playing the bruiser role for them in a very emphatic way
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Oct 2018, 19:09
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17 Oct 2018, 19:09#17
v d Merwe is pure class on the wing - got no recognition in SA. Travesty and unfortunately too light skinned for a wing. Him, Dyantyi and Nkosi would cover our wings with real clout
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 20:05
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17 Oct 2018, 20:05#18
Dave, if Van der Merwe doesn't get picked it's because the likes of Nkosi, Dyantyi and Mapimpi are better, not because he's too light skinned.
I know there are some rugby noobs who can't remember recent white wingers but between them, Jesse Kriel, Ruan Combrinck and Francois Hougaard had plenty caps on the wing in recent years.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 20:22
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17 Oct 2018, 20:22#19

Hougaard the scrumhalf played 11 tests on the wing. Kriel played two tests on the wing. Combrinck had 6 tests on the wing. Were it not for an injury to JP, and the poor play of Mvovo in 2012, Hougaard wouldn't even have half those tests on the wing. So much for these long standing servants on the wing. Rugby noob indeed. Der kleiner Kläffer making another omlett. 

Wing has long been a non-white position irrespective of white talent. I like Mapimpi and Dyantyi, but what I see here in Duhan is something our other wings cannot replicate. 

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 20:45
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17 Oct 2018, 20:45#20
You have to laugh at the rugby noob who confidently challenges anyone to name a single white winger since Willie le Roux. He gets given not one, not two but three white players who between them played nearly 20 test matches on the wing and instead of conceding the point and thanking me for setting him straight he starts sputtering about if they were good enough or would have played if it wasn't for injury!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I reckon we should implement some kind of forum rule where rugby noobs have to read a certain number of posts or watch a minimum number of games before they are allowed to express their laughably ignorant opinions.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 20:58
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17 Oct 2018, 20:58#21

And this is why South Africa needs to sort out its education system. Big bird makes yet another omlett. You need to cut down, the cholesterol and your high blood pressure are going to be the end of you one of these days. 

"You have to laugh at the rugby noob who confidently challenges anyone to name a single white winger since Willie le Roux."

Had the yellow yapper any comprehension skills he'd have noted that he just answered two questions. Where was the challenge? 

"When was the last white Bok wing? Willie in 2013? They are quite rare. Before Willie, who was there?" 

Yes, you have to laugh indeed. That or cry. At least you chose the former, I know I have. Better luck next time Big Bird.

Oh, by the way, I did issue a challenge on a thread you started. You yelped and ran away I see. Why? You are so smart and knowledgeable. Maybe you can show me some clips of Schalk the flyhalf. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:06
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17 Oct 2018, 21:06#22
Wehe, nice edit by the rugby noob changing "since" to "before" but being a bit dim, he forgets to change the other bit as well.
Dim- Sum, I hate to break it to you but most people know what you're implying when you say "When was the last white Bok wing? Willie in 2013?".
Better go edit your post again. Better luck this time!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha!
Priceless!
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:09
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17 Oct 2018, 21:09#23
Schalk the flyhalf?
This gets better and better!
Dim-Sum give us the surname of the Schalk you think played flyhalf for the Boks. Was it Burger, Brits or something else?
Schalk the flyhalf . . . hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Can't wait for this reply!
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:11
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17 Oct 2018, 21:11#24

"Everyone knows what you were implying" 

And in typically yellow-belly fashion he reaches for the back door. No editing at all. None needed. Enjoy your O mlett. This has been an embarrassing return for you. Some said you have a good understanding of the game, I expected so much more. You've been as flaccid as can be. If you are so much the rugby guru, why not deal with he issue regarding Steph. You need something big to save your blown credibility. 

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:16
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17 Oct 2018, 21:16#25
So hang on, you're now claiming that the question "when was the last white Bok wing? Willie in 2013?" is actually your way of asking posters to name white Springbok wingers before Willie le Roux in 2013?
Please just confirm that is what you're saying, Dim-Sum before you go off on one of your "omlett" (sic) rants again. Thanks.
PS Don't forget we're also waiting for the surname of the Schalk who played flyhalf for the Boks.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:24
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17 Oct 2018, 21:24#26
Ummmm . . . Dim-Sum, you still there?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:32
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17 Oct 2018, 21:32#27
Yeah Rooi I’m a big fan of Dyantyi and Nkosi - they would be my first choices but I’d like to see vd Merwe involved - id certainly have him in my squad
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:34
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17 Oct 2018, 21:34#28
Noted Dave. Can't say I've seen much of him before or after his departure but you know my feelings about picking overseas-based players.
Tell me - out of interest - if someone asked you the question "when was the last white Bok wing? Willie in 2013?", would you think he's asking you to name white wingers before Willie le Roux in 2013 or after Willie le Roux in 2013?
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:35
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17 Oct 2018, 21:35#29
Trust the forum genius to stumble over a couple of simple questions. If you weren't so eager to pick a fight  you wouldn't end up in a mess. Who was the last white Bok wing, and who were those before him. Very easy to grasp. At least it should be. 
As for Schalk. I saw you were one of those promoting the notion that Schalk Burger was playing flyhalf for Meyer. A huge gaff Lügnerin fell into as well . 
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:40
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17 Oct 2018, 21:40#30
Ummmm . . . it's getting hard to keep up with this rambling nonsense, but Dim-Sum, are you now saying that it was me who mentioned Schalk the flyhalf and not you?
Your 20h58 post on this thread clearly states "Schalk the flyhalf" (well it did at the time of me typing this, you might have edited it by now). Where did I talk of a Schalk the flyhalf? Please be specific now.
Sounds to me like someone is not in a fit state to be posting tonight and is just getting lots more "omlett" (sic)!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:40
#31
17 Oct 2018, 21:40#31

When Burger get twice the number of balls from the scummie that Pollard did - who was the de facto flyhalf?  

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 21:43
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17 Oct 2018, 21:43#32
Oh and Dim-Sum, you have variously called me "smart", "knowledgeable" a "genius" and a "rugby guru" on this thread alone.
I'd just like to point out those are your descriptions of me, not mine. I have never made any claims to being any kind of rugby genius or guru. Are you being sincere or did you suddenly discover what sarcasm is some time between yesterday and today?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 22:00
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17 Oct 2018, 22:00#33
We all know what sarcasm is.....and what it isn't. Your Vinny debacle was a simple case of ignorance. And on the white wing fracas, are you seriously saying the whites have suddenly stopped producing the physical type that makes for a succesful test wing......that this is not the position that every coach pencils in with players of colour to fulfill his quota ? Are you that stupid.....or that desperate to downgrade any youngster who leaves because he has ambition and guts to pursue excellence (unlike you).
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Oct 2018, 22:01
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17 Oct 2018, 22:01#34
After Willie!!!!!
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Oct 2018, 22:01
#35
17 Oct 2018, 22:01#35

Turbo reverse, only the gear jammed. The next time you drive yourself off a cliff, stay down. 

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 22:03
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17 Oct 2018, 22:03#36
"Vinnie Vunipola" . . . waaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!
How's that "omlett", Moffie?
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 22:05
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17 Oct 2018, 22:05#37
Thanks Dave.
Even if the rugby noob wasn't lying through the enormous layer of "omlett" on his face and meant before Willie , Francois Hougaard played at least 5 tests on the wing in 2012 and he's still white in spite of all the tattoos.
More "omlett" for the resident rugby noob!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 22:12
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17 Oct 2018, 22:12#38
Well let's see......no, no omelette in my diet today......a simple breakfast with fruits and grains.....a nice coq au vin dish for lunch with assorted beets on the side. Dinner remains to be decided, probably dine at my club tonight.....but no Cardbordeaux in immediate prospect. How about you mong ....what bottle will you be vacuuming dry. Tonight?
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Oct 2018, 22:14
#39
17 Oct 2018, 22:14#39
"Omellet e" (sic)???
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Priceless!
Neither one of the buffoons can spell omelette but both insist on using the word!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Oct 2018, 22:14
#40
17 Oct 2018, 22:14#40
What are you talking about?
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