Squad of Thirty for Bargies and beyond

Fullbacks....Willie, Lambie

Wings....Habana, Hendricks, Hougaard, Basson

13s......JP, de Allende

12s ....JdV, Frans

Fly halves....Morne, Pollard

Srumhalves....Pienaar, Kockott

Looseheads....Beast, du Toit

hookers....Bismarck, Strauss

Tightheads....Jannie, Cilliers

4 locks....Etzebeth, Lood

5 locks....Matfield, Becker

6 flanks...Louw, Coetzee

7 flanks....Alberts, Schalk

8th man...Vermeulen, Juan smith

Now before anybody has a hissyfit, I'm not sure if all these players are available or injury free. We may for example have to play Flip for Etzebeth for a while. We may also have to include Mvovo as a bench player to meet political needs. The team I have picked is my view our best set of playing options. Not one of the thirty selected players would be out of place starting a test. 

Having said that I'm not sure this team will beat NZ or the resurgent Aussies at home. But I am sure that the best 23 off this list will destroy any team of newbies or flavour of the day Boks.

Cilliers at tighthead........bwhaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa. Basson and Hougaard on the wing........useless Basson??? How many games have you seen Kockott play - ZERO is my guess. Lambie is not a fullback, Morne at 10.......geez we still on this, about sums you and Meyer up, Pienaar at 9 who has been piss poor all year? Matfield at 5 who is a physical liability, Bekker - yeah good one, when last did we see him play? So much imagination at 7 with Schalk and Alberts.......Smith at 8 rounds off a joke of a squad......it is much in line with our pathetic Bok coaches squad.....you are both equally clueless - this is a similar squad to the one Meyer will pick expect for the extraordinarily pathetic selection of useless Cilliers at 3. What will be interesting to see is what you clowns will be doing post the RC when sides like this get their arses kicked by Oz and NZ

Here is a real squad of 30:

15. Willie / Taute

14/11. JP / Habana / Hendricks / Sithole

13. JJ / de Alende

12. Serfontein / Frans

10. Goosen / Lambie

9. Hougaard / de Klerk

1/3. Beast / Coenie / Marcel v/d Merwe / Malherbe

2. Bismark / Strauss

4/5. Etzebeth / Lood / Willemse / Jacques du Plessis

6/7/8. Coetzee / Brussouw / Vermeulen / Kolisi / v/d Walt / Labascagne

Basson>Mvovo

JP> JJ

Frans> Steppie

Steyn> Goosen

Cilliers> Malherbe

Becker> Lewies

Schalk> Coetzee

Alberts>Potgieter

So what does > mean. It doesn't mean the player is perfect. It just means the player is more likely to make a positive contribution to his team than the next best replacement.

Take Steppie, we all know what he is going to do when he gets the ball. He is going to step inside and run into the first tackler. The ABs and Oz will know that and they will set up a one/two punch like they did with JJ....Nonu took him down, Read stole the ball. Frans in the meantime will offload out of many tackles, will stop the big guys pounding the 10/12 channel and his boot will gain huge chunks of space. Ergo....he is more likely to contribute positively.

Good one Moz, your call on Cilliers throws any credibility you might have had, straight out of the window.....not that you had any......man your squad is pathetic.......it smacks of conservatism and a lack of insight and certainly from a man out of touch with reality

But take comfort in the fact that our useless Bok coach sees things the way you do  

Taute, Goosen, Lambie at 10, Reinach, JJ.....waaaaaaahahahahahahaha,  de Klerk, Hougaard at 9, Coenie,Kolisi and Labuschagne.

Dave you truly do not have a clue......every one of those players would be a point of weakness. An area to exploit.

But at least a fter the Sharks debacle I see you have dropped Mvovo and Reinach from your thinking....I told you many times these guys would fold in big games. At least you have learned that much.

Wrong Moz, these guys are by some distance the best or second best in their respective positions.

Taute is better than Lambie at 15

Goosen is twice the player Morne has ever been, as is Lambie

It was a close call between Faf and Reinach for the second 9 spot, so not sure where you get that I have dropped him. Reinach is a quality player, easily the best Sharks player in the semi. I have selected Faf and Hougaard as my 9's all season, with Reinach as 3rd choice, but I'd be more than happy with Reinach on board.

de Klerk was brilliant for the Lions, leaves Pienaar in the dust who was piss poor this year

Hougaard is far, far better than Pienaar, who is history......hell you have not even seen Kockott play and you are selecting him - about sums your selections up

Coenie is one of the best props in the game, even clueless Meyer knows that........how on earth could anyone select Cilliers ahead of any tighthead in SA, he was exposed a good 3 years ago and spends his time as a bench prop now

Kolisi is pure class as is Labascagne.......far better options that Alberts who is a non entity these days and as for Louw, I am yet to see what people see in this guy - he is not a test openside at all.

I am a big Mvovo fan, but I went with the younger Sithole and Hendricks as my wing back-ups to old men JP and Habana.....so no I have not given up on Mvovo - why would I, he has been great for the Sharks this year.

Fullbacks....Willie, Lambie

Wings....Habana, Hendricks, Jordaan, JJ

13s......JP, de Allende

12s ....JdV, Jan

Fly halves....Morne, Pollard

Srumhalves....Reinach and Hougaard

Looseheads....Beast, Marcell v/d Merwe (Du Toit at 19 must be kept back)

hookers....Bismarck, Strauss

Tightheads....Jannie, Malherbe

4 locks....Etzebeth, Lood (Etzebeth can play 4 or 5)

5 locks....Flip, Becker

6 flanks...Louw, Coetzee

7 flanks....Potgieter, Schalk 

8th man...Vermeulen, Kan kan

Thus squad gives a lot of flexibilty eg in the loose trio you can add pace progressively. A far better squad.

Why would you give up on Mvovo....well he was awful against the Saders for one thing, totally out of his depth. As I have told you many times, he is a player who looks good against weak opponents, and disappears against the more athletic NZ wings.

And I hadn't heard that scrumming has been removed from the game. Because that would have to be the case for Coenie to be one of the best props in the game. After all these years, havent you learned that a scrumming vulnerability is death. Coenie is good for a few scrumming penalties every game and even for the occasional yellow. It doesn't matter that he looks like Glossu Rabban Harkonnen if he cant stay on his feet in the scrums.

I could go on about your other silly choices but what's the point, you have a Grimm's Fairy Tale view of test rugby.....Goosen running through acres of open space....and you are too invested to change. Hell even the OOM seems to be quiet about Jordaan after his embarrassing flop.

So HasBEEN.... JJ and Jordaan flop totally at 13....and your answer is play them on the wing where their opponents will be even bigger and more athletic. Talk about upside down logic. Can you imagine Jordaan trying to tackle a Speight in space. That's the kind of match up you want for the Boks?

And Reinach is your lead scrummie, even though he was a big part of the Sharks loss. He is exactly like Hougaard, a fine runner but an inept scrummie and tactical kicker.He doesn't read the game....if you arent seeing things you run into brick walls which is exactly what Reinach did on Saturday, resulting in two turnovers and a penalty.

Man you guys having learning problems.....look at what's happening not your fantasy version of the game. 

Reinach was frantic against the Stormers as well....McLeod added a lot when he came on. And can you imagine Jordaan or JJ under the high ball. Seriously?

These guys arent test players....Willie is, Pollard is, Hendricks is....we are finding terrific new players. No need to shuffle the flops around.

 Oh so the cause of the Sharks loss was Alberts and Steyn? Silly me, how could I have missed that.

 Well let's test the theory Jannie's scrumming lost the game. Here are the scrumming stats, Sharks on the right. It's true the Sharks did lose a scrum when the ball came out on the loosehead side and the Saders picked up to score. But catastrophically for your theory, both du Toit and Jannie had been subbed by then. Bwam!!!!!!  another OOM theory bites the dust. Man you are thick.