MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2017, 14:54#1
Apart from flopping over for a try, did this small prop forward do anything but conceding penalties, getting stripped by SBW and making toothless 1 metre runs. His high tackle penalty before the half changed the game....vastly overrated.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2017, 02:26#2
The British press once again forgives Stampkar his turnover which stopped the Lions initial momentum.....and the penalty at the half which led directly to 7 Blues' points. They effuse about his 19 carries....which led to 39 metres, no breaks and one defender beaten. The Lions flanks, Tipuric and Haskell only got the ball 15 times .....but jointly made 47 metres, beat 2 defenders and made a clean break. Two metres a run for Stampkar....3 for the other loosies.
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Oh, and Tipuric and Haskell each made an offload...none for Stampkar. It's hilarious how this nineties style Bools loosie continues to mesmerize the British rugby press.
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Jun 2017, 03:07#3
Planet Rugby said:
"CJ Stander: Taulupe Faletau set the bar against the Provincial Barbarians and while Stander didn’t match him, the quality of the opposition has to be considered. After being stripped early on by Sonny Bill Williams, Stander went to work and finished with 19 carries, the most by the Lions. Faletau remains in the driving seat, but Stander’s engine can’t be faulted. Grabbed the Lions’ only try from the maul."
So they are positive about his performance .
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2017, 03:33#4
That's pretty much the flavour....it seems carrying the ball a lot of times is evidence of merit.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jun 2017, 07:37#5
When it comes to Stander nothing will count in his favour at all. So what else is ne w about this repetitive drivel?
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2017, 18:00#7
Have to disagree.....he is bog ordinary....no hands, not agile, not strong enough to break tackles, and he doesn't. One defender beaten in 19 carries is extraordinary. Just by accident he should beat more than that.
08 Jun 2017, 22:29#8
Gun to the head - name the one thing that the AB's do better than the rest of the world. The real difference maker.
Offload in the tackle. Its what opens up defenses more than anything else. Ball carrier is always looking to do it, and support players are anticipating it. And they do it without sacrificing their defensive ability because they're fitter than anyone else.
Stander doesn't even think about it. Runs to contact for a recycle. Predictable.
The fact he's adulated in NH betrays their concept of attacking rugby.
If Schalk Burger had similar stat lines in a game he would have been ridiculed. Difference is Burger looked to offload and create .
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jun 2017, 01:52#9
To your point, here are Schalk's stats against Wales in the WC:
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1 14 26 59 0 1 2 0 .........26 runs/ 14 passes/ 2 offloads
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Here are Stampkar's stats against the Blues:
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0 4 19 36 0 1 0 0.....19 runs/ 4 passes/ 0 offloads
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We find Schalk makes more metres per carry in a WC playoff than Stampkar can make against the lowest rated NZ Super team. ....that he passes 35% of the time vs 18% of the time for Stampkar......that he offloads twice vs zero offloads for Stamp. And still Schalk was heavily criticized and Stampkar lauded as the best Lions' loosie.
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Are we mad?
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Jun 2017, 10:55#10
You have never been more wrong about a player ever
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jun 2017, 15:29#11
Dave I'm willing to make you a friendly bet that by the the third test Stampkar won't even be on the bench if all the loosies are available for selection. Winner to admit he was wrong.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jun 2017, 16:19#12
By the way - Mozart - was the stats not in respect of the test where Burger was the stand-in flyhalf? The ball was passed to him 41 times by the scrummie as against 19 balls passed to the Pollard.
Not appropriate to compare that abortion of a game plan stats with a standard rugby game.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Jun 2017, 16:31#13
That's a deal Moz......he is their best option at 8 or 7 now that Billy is not an option at 8
10 Jun 2017, 08:06#14
That's an interesting bet.
Stander is a class act ... and no matter what you guys say I will always rate him as such. He's done more than enough already to prove that.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jun 2017, 15:30#15
Stampkarrrr one tackle attempted, one tackle missed. Meanwhile Faletau puts in another dominating performance, looks like number 8 is spoken for.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2017, 04:17#17
I see Stampkarrrr got a 4 from the Herald....and a 5 from the Express for dropping the pass with the 'tryline beckoning'.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2017, 08:55#18
I see that the discussion turned to Faletau playing at 8 - what has that to do with Stander - stupid?