CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Sept 2013, 21:40#4
A couple of observations about the CC games this weekend.
* The player of the weeknd was Marnitz Boshoff - really was phenominal.
* SP Marais also had an excellent game at full back.
* Pieter-Steph du Toit was good and is a hard nut to crack. Very good in defence and line outs. Carried the ball well when required.
* Although in the losing side Labuschagne was much better in all facets of the game than Marcel Coetzee. That include ball carries - ball handling and defence. However Coetzee also had a good game in general.
* Zeilinga was very good at flyhalf - a really good thinking youngster.
* The Jantjies brothers had a very few good touches - but was in general poor. Unless the kicks were from direct in front - both Jantjies brothers buggered up kicks at goal. Silky Hands was poor in passing balls and useless in defence - even his brother ran over him.
* Jacques du Plessis has a long way to go before he would be international material.
I am really seeing some very good performances this weekend - but the WP - Griquas game was played in horrible weather - so bad that there was ice on the western side of Table Mountain. Lots of handling errors spoilt the game to some extent. The other two games were very good - both from an attacking and defensive perspective.
I still do not think why we had some duds in the Springbok squad. with the players we actually have at present in the various squads. Hope Meyer wakes up and look at improvement in his squad. .
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Sept 2013, 22:11#6
Saffex
Do you count knocking on balls and poor passes as good? His defence was poor as well. Jantjies attempted to make one break himself ending in nothing - but for the rest he was passing the ball - nothing worthwhile at all. And he missed kicks at goal; - unless they were straight in front of the posts. I would rather have given the kicking duties to Boshoff - who showed real class today. Jantjies was in fact poor - end of story.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Sept 2013, 06:53#10
Mozart
With respect - since you apparently have not watched the game - is this prejudice speaking again? Since Kruger and van der Merwe brings virtually nothing to the game - why keep them in the Springbok match day team?
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Sept 2013, 07:40#12
Mozart
Sorry to disappoint you - but I have always been a supporter of Du Toit ahead of anybody else to be Etzebeth's partner. I did support Saffex's idea to play De Jager ahead of Kruger and Van der Merwe whilst Du Toit was injured?
We have some real beauts in the Springbok squad. I mentioned Van der Merwe and Kruger - why no comments from You on those two? And then we have the useless Alberts and Kirchner as well. I hope Meyer makes some changes to his squad - otherwise another loss against the All Blacks at Ellis Park is inevitable.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Sept 2013, 23:33#13
DomMike right now Jantjies is by far the best 10 in the CC
Beenkop, not many loosies are as dynamic at Read you plonker........Coetzee will be a Bok for many years, he is the future.
Steph du Toit was great on Sat, great enough to walk straight back in the Bok squad - enough said.
He needs to walk straight into the starting side alongside Etzebeth........has as much physicality as Flip but is just a far smarter player with skill
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2013, 00:41#14
Saffex
You really make yourself look stupid with your adherence to Jantjies. Jaantjies game varies from incredibly bad - through mediocre and a very rare showing of good play. On average he is a shit performer - even on CC level.
Zeilinga is by far the best flyhalf at present playing on CC level.
Must say the competition is not very strong - with Coetzee picking Coleman at flyhalf - so ypou are really comparing Jantjies to a collection of palookas. Say he is coming second in the palooka stakes
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2013, 01:10#16
Saffex
Now be serious - Jantjies was a complete flop in Super 15 this year - so much so that the Stormers would not touch him with a bargepole.
He was a flop in the Soweto test - no he was disastrously poor - to say the least. How can you seriously think of him on Springbok level - when he is at best average on CC level. To be quite frank - he was good on under 20 level - but did not develop at all when competing against older players.
I think his regular knock-ons in games - his ridiculously poor passing, which is often enough wildly inaccurate - has to do with his mindset. Something is wrong in his top storey. If you dispute what I said about him - just watch yesterdays game again and do yourself the favour of thinking how he flopped against the Crusaders this year and in the Soweto test last year.
Add to that that his defence varies between poor and non-existent - then you have a complete picture. He was the weakest flyhalf in Super 15 this year - I would not have him anywhere near any Super 15 team and he is a dodgy selection on CC level. Sprinmgbok team - never ever if you want to win the game.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2013, 01:23#18
Saffex
If you refuse to recognize factual and fatal deficiencies in Jantjies performances - I can only say dream on. Just as long as he is not in a team I support - they are welcome to him
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2013, 02:41#20
Saffex
If you believe your latest garbage - then you must also believe the moon is made of green cheese and the earth is flat.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2013, 02:50#22
Saffex
I am, not prejudiced against Jantjies - I only believe in facts not fiction.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Sept 2013, 15:42#23
So are you saying that Stransky and co are lying when they say Jantjies is in great form and that he is responsible for igniting his outside backs. He is attacking the gain line, playing it flat and creating space for his backs..........look no further than him putting Boshoff into space.
Your take on Jantjies present form has stuff all to do with facts and everything to do with the childish prejudice you harbour against him - now that is a FACT
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Sept 2013, 16:01#25
I'm inclined to think Stransky knows a hell of a lot more about rugby than you. In fact, I don't think it, I know it