sharkbok
Captain23,234 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
28 Sept 2017, 20:56#1
He was a solid test player when he last played in 2013 but was not considered by Meyer. (prior to the ban).
It is debatable to allow a convicted steroid abuser to play for an international team.It is like selecting Lance Armstrong to captain a World Sports XV vs aliens.
Although having said that I think he is one of the best hookers in SA- and certainly better than Bongi at this stage. His throw is pretty good as well.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Sept 2017, 21:03#2
He served his time so no problem but please lets not suggest he is the second best hooker in SA. Ano ther quota pick.
28 Sept 2017, 22:36#3
So there is no such thing as rehabilitation, is there? Isn't that what a ban is for? To allow for rehabilitation and to become clean, not so?
If we have to be so harsh on former users, shouldn't we then reconsider the role of convicted steroids abuser, Johan Ackerman, who many would like to see in the high profile role of Bok coach?
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Sept 2017, 23:54#4
SB
He does not even make the bench of the Sharks and he is a useless 32 year old scandal ous selection
sharkbok
Captain23,234 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
28 Sept 2017, 23:54#5
There are 2 sides. The player and the brand. It could associate the Boks with steroids- even if it is a former user. So even if the player is forgiven- they could tarnish the Bok brand, or any international team brand.
Ackerman' has 2 sides. The player and the coach. Less issue when it is not international level, but he was involved again with the Boks as a player and coach.
29 Sept 2017, 00:32#6
So what is the difference between the two individuals then? Both guilty. Both served a ban. Both played again after the ban.
sharkbok
Captain23,234 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
29 Sept 2017, 00:49#7
Not much difference, other than for Ackerman it could apply both as a player and coach.
Ackerman is probably worse as he got bust while playing for the Boks, so performance enhancing drugs benefited the Boks.
Questions arise like did he source it himself or was it given by the rugby team doctor
29 Sept 2017, 09:59#8
I agree ... he served his time ... but it will follow him wherever he goes. Questions will always be asked ... "is he still using" ... ?
He was earmarked for great things at one time. Seems that being a quota and getting the free ride wasn't enough for him back then ... he had to take it to the next level ... which ended up destroying the intended handouts he was earmarked for .
Besides ... he isn't even in the top 10 best hookers in the country. His selection to the Boks is the same as that of Bongi, Paige, Rhule and Cassiem ... disgraceful.
BObobbok...
Captain10,129 posts
BObobbok...Captain10,129 posts
29 Sept 2017, 11:15#9
Well, that must be a small admission from the not so CleanCut ....... Kolisi's there on merit..........but I acknowledge there are ???? marks over all those listed..... in fact, I'd award Skossan a question mark as well .We need wingers, not converted athletes, & doesn't Rhule resemble a mini Ben Johnson .
29 Sept 2017, 12:26#10
Kolisi is a quota ... we have much better flanks in the country than him ... both on the open and blind side.
He's not there on merit.
Sorry to burst your bubble, Blobbie!
01 Jul 2020, 12:31#13
Emotion aside...I just don't get it.Is this the 3rd or 2nd time?
Surely after thee 1st, he knew he'd be watched like an eagle?Surely he knew he'd be tested again?He promised SO MUCH when he came on the scene as the U21 captain.He spoke so well.He played really well in his early years.
I just don't get it.It's almost like he wanted to self destruct?
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Jul 2020, 15:24#15
What a complete fucking idiot
Agreed in his prime he was good
A wasted talent for sure
He has been crap since his return from ban 2
01 Jul 2020, 16:31#19
whoosh, coming from windy chicago?
