CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Sept 2014, 00:22#2
Plum
Welcome to the site.
There are a few members here - I call themn the resident morons - who cannot ever see anything wrong with Pienaar and Mone Steyn. I am one of the people who says that the surest guarantee for a Springbok loss is to have hose two in the team.
I hope that Meyer opens his eyes and see what really is going on - I know some players are in the team because they are his favourites from the days when he was the Bulls coach despite medicore present performances - but that is a negative insofar as he as a coach is concenned.
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
09 Sept 2014, 00:34#3
Just have no words for how gutted i feel every time they are announced in the starting line-up. It's like i'm gonna watch my favorite boxer, with one hand tied behind his back getting the crap kicked out of him. Tears bud, tears!
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Sept 2014, 01:00#4
Spot on Plum, Morne has always been useless.
Pienaar was good in his day but more as a back up off the bench behind du Preez. He is now past it and a soft touch.
I share your disappointment whenever the Bok side is announced with the names of Fourie, Jean, Morne, Pienaar, du Preez, Steenkamp, Jannie, Bakkies, Matfield, Louw, Schalk, Smith and Alberts in it.
All great players in their day except Morne but their day is long gone.
09 Sept 2014, 02:02#5
I know some of their play was not up to standard but Meyer must shoulder the bulk of the blame as it's him telling them to kick possession away all the time!
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Sept 2014, 02:06#6
Meyer would be the first on my chop ping block
09 Sept 2014, 02:12#7
Vive la revolution, hey Monsieur S ?
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Sept 2014, 02:22#8
Yeah because evolution plays no part in the Meye r outlook
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Sept 2014, 03:00#9
Oh sure let's have Reinach and Lambie....give us some of that old Crusaders boogie.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Sept 2014, 04:44#10
Morne was on Saturdaty worse than Lambie was in the Crusaders game. And that is a fa ct of life.
JEJeromeV
Club Pro492 posts
09 Sept 2014, 05:21#11
Rubbish Mozart. Cobus Reinach was SA's best performing scrum half throughout most of the Super 15. You always allude to the Crusaders game not realizing that Pienaar would've played much worser that day.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Sept 2014, 06:18#12
Nope....Lambie was much, much worse. Morne made one huge mistake on Saturday, but he helped make the Hendriks try with a fine, instantaneous pass and his goal kicking was superb. Lambie was very poor against the Saders, including several disastrous kicks
As for Reinach, McLeod saved the Sharks bacon the week before....after Reinach bungled all game . It wasn't just the Saders game....the moment the pressure increased, his mistakes increased. Its a pity, he's a great runner, but no test scrummie.
09 Sept 2014, 06:47#13
Now obviously you guys know way more about Bok history than I ever will.But as a fan of those old black and white news reels and old test match footage it seems to me that Bok rugby wasnt always about the forwards and giant lumpy dudes hammering the opposition into submission but there used to be a lot of skilful play from your backs .Conversely the ABs had long periods of dour "10 man " style rugby .So what changed ? As for those old,old ,OLD school games it amazes me how quickly and organically the scrums seem to magically appear , lineouts too [ although there seems to be no gap at all in the line-out !]
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Sept 2014, 07:14#14
Mozart
Go and look at minute 14 - that kick was as big a mistake as he made in the last three minutes. Then go a bit earlier and see what he produced in the Argentina test.
And then go and look at his defense stats as well. There is no comparison - Morne was sh!t poor - ten times worse than Lambie ould ever be.
Noiw you bring in Reiach - he bungled NOTHING in the Crusaders games - neither in the round robin game where he scored a try and the second game - - you are delusional. If there was a bugger up - and a complete one - it was by McLeoiod in the semis.
If you dislike players you invent lies to denigrate them- so one cannot beleive a word what you wrote about player performances.
CLClaydog
Club Pro691 posts
09 Sept 2014, 09:16#17
Monsterbok I was sitting at home in the NT watching and its a wonder you didn't here me yelling. I was watching a replay of the game this morning and its amazing the things you notice when watching with a clear head and heart. Some of Pienaars kicks in general play were very ordinary. Gifting the Wallabies the ball back when the boks were in good attacking field position. Why they did not keep ball in hand and run I will never know. Good attacking full back, fast wings, its all there and the one time they threw it out wide they score. They are obviously playing to instructions from a higher authority. Some of Pienaars service was pretty slow.
09 Sept 2014, 09:39#18
Pienaar hasn't been a test quality 9 for the last ... well for friggin ever ... at least 20 years. The rest of the planet knows this ... except of course our fool of a coach who'll persist with him till thy kingdom comes.
Morne Steyn is about as capable of producing quality rugby as Mozart is of getting a hard on. Limp d!cks the both of them. Useless.
We need to get rid of this ex Bulls coach, his ex Bulls assistants, the broederbond's influence and start anew.
All the ineffective old wood should be cut away, starting with Pienaar and moving on to Jannies, Morne, Victor, HouGat, Gurthro, Bakkies, Du Preez and a host of others that this fool of a coach seems hellbent on selecting as our front line test players.
A complete overhaul.
Unfortunately we have to endure this fool of a coach for who knows how much longer.
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
09 Sept 2014, 09:53#19
I'd even settle for Pienaar at 10. That's how des i am.
My personal choice, not many will agree, but i'd have Vermaak at 9 and maybe Reinach on the bench.
I start to think Marnitz Boshoff is the most cursed player in our history, really feel for the guy. T hough i'd love to see him in green and gold. Watched him at Ellis park a few times and was highly impressed.
PS is Mozart a troll?
MOMonsterBok
Club Pro442 posts
MOMonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
09 Sept 2014, 10:04#21
We desperately need a 10 that will attack the line not a pu55y. Do we have one?, I don't know.
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Sept 2014, 10:06#22
Welcome Plum & MonsterBok. Beware though, we have a mole hunter & troll and multi-id hunter on this site who has brilliant detective skills. I will not reveal his name for obvious reasons, lol
We need new blood on here so it is good to see your posts. IMO the Boks are still a good team & will give the ABs a tough game. Problems at 9 and 10 are holding the team back but I also agree that the ineffective kicking did not help. Willie needs to be injected into the 10 posi tion to spark the backs. Not much change is required to get the team playing 10% better but if more improvement is required more change will be required.
CLClaydog
Club Pro691 posts
09 Sept 2014, 10:19#23
Moz a troll? No, just half of one of the greatest sporting rivalries it has been my pleasure to witness.
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
09 Sept 2014, 10:35#24
Dunno. To me it's like trying to re-decorate a room when there are two large and horrible pieces of furniture in it. Once they are removed then one can gain perspective on what needs doing. While they are there they make everything else look terrible...even objects you had no problem with in the past.
Wow, i managed to make a highly metrosexual post on a rugby forum.
09 Sept 2014, 10:38#25
Plum ... yes welcome.
Mozart is a pensioner that rates the elderly as still capable of competing against the stronger, younger generation.
I know ... he's delusional.
I don't have anything against him ... I just feel sorry for the poor dear as he finds himself wandering around aimlessly at times, never really sure of where he's at.
He needs to be looked after 24/7 and I'm sure he's got some nurse watching him and helping him back into his straitjacket when he manages to squirm out.
He does have his good days. You can see that when his posts actually have content. Usually it's just a blank empty page staring at us. Gotta feel for the old codger.
You'll figure it out as you go along. That is of course if your not already familiar with us all ... or a regular on this board with just another name tag attached. There seems to be a few of those around.
Either way I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ... for now.
CLClaydog
Club Pro691 posts
09 Sept 2014, 10:45#26
Plumb are you talking about Pienaar and Steyn or Moz and Mike?
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Sept 2014, 11:02#27
Give me Reinach and Lambie with their hands tied behind their backs over insults Morne and Pienaar
09 Sept 2014, 11:19#29
I did read that Steyn made 7 tackles and missed 8.
Now, you know i hate stats because they lack context, but that screams to me that someone isn't doing their defensive duty.
It also doesn't take into account the fact that he failed to attempt to tackle, well, at least once.....and we all saw how costly that was.
Of course he was too busy petitioning the ref for a perceived infringement, you know, asking for a review....he thought those new rules some are asking for had come into force !
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
09 Sept 2014, 17:30#30
"You'll figure it out as you go along. That is of course if your not already familiar with us all ... or a regular on this board with just another name tag attached. There seems to be a few of those around"
A healthy dose of cynicism really warms the heart. Have people been that poor on here they've had to reboot? Lol nice!
AJArthur John
Pro1,748 posts
AJArthur JohnPro1,748 posts
09 Sept 2014, 18:40#31
Plum and MonsterBok welcome to the site and your refreshing comments on the old Bok guard.
Agree with your views as well as Saffex.
All we have to achieve now is to get guys like Mozart to wake up and smell the fresh air.
Although I am a Bok supporter when it comes to betting I always place my bet on the winner.
Pray that Meyer gets a bit of heavenly guidance prior to announcing his team of vets for this week-end.