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Stormers face decisions as stars return

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,299 posts
25 Feb 2013, 12:10
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25 Feb 2013, 12:10#1

 

Stormers face decisions as stars return by Gavin Rich 25 February 2013, 06:06

The DHL Stormers have had a timely boost ahead of what is now a crucial Vodacom Super Rugby showdown with the Sharks at Kings Park in Durban on Saturday.

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Peter Grant and Juan de Jongh(not really a star) are both available for the replay of the Currie Cup final, and on the evidence of the Stormers’ disappointing 25-17 defeat in the Super Rugby opener against the Bulls in Pretoria at the weekend, Grant and De Jongh are two players they can certainly do with.

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It is true that the Stormers had hardly any ball to play with, particularly in the first half, but they were not helped at Loftus by the rusty performance of Elton Jantjies. In Jantjies’s defence he was playing his first game of the year after missing the pre-season games because of the tragic death of his father, but his first outing in Stormers clothing did not justify the hype there has been in some quarters about his arrival in the Cape.

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Apart from missing his goalkicks he also kicked poorly out of hand, and there was a perception that the Stormers backs might be lining deeper and playing from deeper at Loftus than we have come to expect of them when Grant is present.

Coetzee may well stick with Jantjies on the basis that he deserves a second chance now that he has a game under his belt, but it is going to be hard for him to ignore the claims of Grant, who will start training with the Stormers from Monday now that his Japanese team has ended its season.

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Grant is already in the Cape as he returned to be at the birth of his child, so he is not going to require any acclimatisation and will be straight into action when the Stormers start their preparations for Durban.

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De Jongh missed the Bulls game and the last warm-up fixture because of a hamstring twinge. However, Coetzee says he is now over the injury and will also resume training on Monday. The hero of the Currie Cup final win over the same opponents four months ago, De Jongh was missed at Loftus.

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Damian de Allende is a young player with a bright future ahead of him and Jean de Villiers has praised his passing game, but that passing wasn’t much in evidence in Pretoria as his first inclination appears not to pass. He also has the tendency to run laterally.

None of those are problems that can’t be ironed out in time, and De Allende could also challenge strongly for a place on the wing, but De Jongh’s skills and experience should be welcomed back for the coastal derby.

The Stormers are under early pressure and they are facing a Sharks team that their coach John Plumtree has said are on a mission to avenge the result of the domestic decider, so Stormers coach Allister Coetzee will want to get his selection spot on.

One defeat is no train smash, and the season is so long that even a second loss won’t destroy their Super Rugby hopes, but the Sharks will tell them after their experience last year how difficult it is to come back after starting the season with defeats in two derbies. It happened to the Sharks last season.

STUPID PENALTIES

Coetzee and skipper Jean de Villiers gave an indication they know exactly how much work needs to be done as they did not pull any punches in their honest assessment of where it all went wrong for them against the Bulls.

“To be honest this was just very disappointing and there really are no excuses. The first half was an embarrassment to the Stormers jersey and I have not seen a performance like this from a Stormers team for a long time,” said Coetzee.

“We can’t look towards excuses, such as that it was our first game and that maybe there was ring rust etc. The reality is it just wasn’t good enough. We made too many mistakes, and it had a snowball effect on other things, spilling over to our first phase play, like the lineouts. At this level you can’t play without possession. In the second half when we did get some ball we showed we can score tries, but we let ourselves down tonight.”

De Villiers was as hard hitting, and didn’t spare himself from criticism.

“We were flat, particularly in the first half. We gave away too many stupid penalties in kickable range, and Morne Steyn was spot on with his accuracy in this game,” said De Villiers.

“We came back well after halftime, but even then we made stupid mistakes, like not handling the kick-offs and letting them back into our own half. The penalties we gave away were really silly. The penalty I gave away was poor. We need to take a long hard look at ourselves. Perhaps most importantly, we have got to look at becoming a team again.”

Those last words might be disturbing for Cape supporters who fear that the Currie Cup win last October may have bred a bit of complacency and eroded a bit of the team ethos and refusal to be beaten that was the hallmark of the Stormers and WP teams last season. Certainly at Loftus it was the Bulls, who have made no secret about how much they worked in the off-season to rectify problems following a poor 2012, who looked the hungrier and more determined team to make a statement.

Are some of the Stormers players still stuck in Currie Cup mode? Well De Villiers appears to think so.

“This game showed us the difference between Currie Cup and Super Rugby,” said the skipper.

“We needed to take a step up but we failed to take that step up. Last year we got points out of every game we played, this year we have played our first game and we didn’t even pick up a bonus point. So I think we’ve definitely taken a few steps backward.”

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,299 posts
25 Feb 2013, 12:16
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25 Feb 2013, 12:16#2

 I would leave the team as it is, but drop Elton Jantjies to the bench. 

KI
KitchenerClub Pro612 posts
25 Feb 2013, 12:43
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25 Feb 2013, 12:43#3

So, Twatbok, who will you be supporting on Saturday evening?

 

You still haven't changed your avatar as requested. Please do so immediately.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,299 posts
25 Feb 2013, 13:01
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25 Feb 2013, 13:01#4

 Rooiarse(Aka JalaRooiarse) I will change my Avatar, if you change your name back to what everyone in the past knows you as- RooiArse. A name is far more indentifiable than an Avatar. 

Which Newzealand and Australian sides will you support against other SA teams other than the Sharks?

It is an international tournament dickhead, with South African players. You are like the Stormers crowd that supports foreign teams

KI
KitchenerClub Pro612 posts
25 Feb 2013, 13:04
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25 Feb 2013, 13:04#5

Twatbok, the name I used in the past was Rooinek, not RooiArse and yes, I will dump Jalapeno and come back as Rooinek if it means that us Sharks fans can get rid of a disgusting bandwagoning traitor like you.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Feb 2013, 13:07
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25 Feb 2013, 13:07#6

I read the article with interest - since It finally dawned that Jntjies stand far to deep in the pocket to be an effective flyhalf.   His linekicking was poor - he cannot kick with his left foot.   All the issues i have dealt withat length became clear and the hypewas overwhelming - the result a disaster.   I do not think that even Coetzee would be stupid enough to keep Jantjies in the team to play the Sharks.

The issue raised here is to play De Jongh against the Sharks - hope they do - since he is statistically over the last two years the worst SA center in Super 15.   He is a turnover machine - ge tackled back - knocks on balls - give away penalties - in other words a small player without any ball sense whatsoever.   He does make his tackles quite regularly - but can also be run over  as well.   As a Shark supporter I sincerely hope that he is in the team on Saturday so that the Stormer backline is even more dead than they were last year.  De Jongh had the distinction last year of scoring less than 61 points in the Foxsport Fantasy competition in al the games he played in for the Stormers - ie an average of less than 3 points  per game.  Since he scored two tries against the Rebels - he probably had negative points in most of his other 15 games.   Useless at best.   Like in the case of Jantjies I hope Coetzee does let him play - making a Shark victory all the more certain.

 

I would stick with the backline suggested by Sharkbok

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Feb 2013, 13:12
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25 Feb 2013, 13:12#7
Done. I am now Rooinek again. Your turn, Twatbok.
JE
JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
25 Feb 2013, 14:47
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25 Feb 2013, 14:47#8

I agree on the issue regarding Jantjies capability, the tactical kicking was terrible as well as the goal kicking. In contrast Peter Grant is more consistent, Stormers despeately needs him to guide centers. According to the individual statistics De Allende was more effective than J De Villiers which is no surprise. I would like to see a fresh combination of De Allende and De Jongh in full form, i hope that is the selection. If Stormers have the mentality to put Habana and Aplon in space Sharks will be in serious trouble.

This weeks backline in my opinion should be:

15. Taute
14. Aplon
13. De Jongh
12. De Allende
11. Habana
10. Grant
9. Groom

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Feb 2013, 14:54
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25 Feb 2013, 14:54#9

lucid

Good choice - but I have serious reervations about De Jongh - as is evident from my other postings. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Feb 2013, 15:11
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25 Feb 2013, 15:11#10

Nice to have ou rooinek making his name mud again!  Jalapeno is buried under egg of course!

I would play Grant. Not too sure I would not play Joe - bring him on at least early in the second half at 15 or on the wing. This guys creates things. Some difficult choices for Alistair. Aplon was dead quiet last Saturday.

I think our tight five will struggle a bit without Tiaan and Etzebeth. But why these blowhard guppies are so full of hot air is a mystery as the Cheetas could so easily have beaten them or at least drawn but for that very lucky try by Movo. Remember the rusty Goosen missed three kicks at goal in the begining.

Very unconvincing win by the lucky sharks.

 

 

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