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Stormers first try a classic example of what we have missed….

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Apr 2024, 17:28
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27 Apr 2024, 17:28#1

….if Dud Allende was in possession he would have continued to tractor.  Willemse produced a try scoring offload. In the Allende era there have been so many moments where an offload would have unlocked the defense. Was he coached out of this, or simply not able to do it….bit of a mystery.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Apr 2024, 21:41
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27 Apr 2024, 21:41#2
I think he was never able to. He got into the Boks because he was big, quicker than he is now and could step a bit. He was getting good scores for the Stormers back then. But I don't recall him ever being a decent distributor that knew where his support was. The difference in ability between Willemse and DDA is ridiculously huge. Willemse contributes positively no matter where he plays. Week in and week out, you can count on him for something. An actual superstar, versus the hyped up donkey Dud.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
27 Apr 2024, 21:51
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27 Apr 2024, 21:51#3

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
27 Apr 2024, 21:52
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27 Apr 2024, 21:52#4

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
27 Apr 2024, 21:54
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27 Apr 2024, 21:54#5

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Apr 2024, 11:20
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28 Apr 2024, 11:20#6
I liked Galant's try too. And it's another example of something we never see DDA do.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Apr 2024, 01:26
#7
29 Apr 2024, 01:26#7

Th e opening  stnatement of Mozart says it all.    A try on the second level  of Rugby series is comparable to   International Tets performances and is just another BS story by Mozart.   Get real for a change,  

I suppose he cannot help it -  it is now 10 years of attacks on Du Toit and De Allende and 6 years of attacks on Erasmus.  A one-tracked mind confirming rugby idiocy and nothing  else.        .    

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Apr 2024, 04:51
#8
29 Apr 2024, 04:51#8
Well DDA doesn't make those types of offloads at test or club level. So there's that.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Apr 2024, 10:54
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29 Apr 2024, 10:54#9

He  does not says who?   He has scored 13 test tries for the Springboks - 12 more than Esterhuizn did.   Pollard said h e enver played with a btter center than D e A llende and he sh ould know what he is talking  about.   But I assume you are a bigger rugby expert than Pollard.      

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Apr 2024, 12:04
#10
29 Apr 2024, 12:04#10

Mike, you said all of that.


I'm just daying that DDA doesn't make those types of insinctive and clever offloads.


Willemse did it last week as well. He intentiaonlly draws the opposition one way, creates space for a runner and then sets the runner off with a back-of-the-hand pass. 


It's what smart players like Willemse can do and what not so smart players like DDA can't do.


But it should be easy to prove me wrong...there are many clips and highlights of DDA online. 


You should be able to find him doing that, or something of simlar skill, at least one time...



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Apr 2024, 12:37
#11
29 Apr 2024, 12:37#11
Yep Mike you are spot on - these clowns are comparing test rugby to the Stormers vs Leinster B side - fucking joke
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Apr 2024, 13:33
#12
29 Apr 2024, 13:33#12

Dud has abysmally low try and assist stats in test rugby…better not go there.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Apr 2024, 13:43
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29 Apr 2024, 13:43#13
I somehow doubt any other current test 12 is doing a better job than DA when it comes to scoring tries or try assists - it’s not like a 12 is there to score loads of tries or be in a position to execute an assist DA’s primary job is to carry in traffic and he is the best in the business at that - carry in traffic makes up 70% of a modern test 12’s job. It’s a fact you lot completely miss and the reason you all ignorantly don’t get the value of DA at all. Same with his dominant tackles - he had the most of all backs in 2023. It’s the physicality aspect of the game that he shines at with the added skill of being able to attack space when the opportunity presents itself Why do you think all modern test 12’s are build like DA and not Willemse huh? Just look at the list - DA, Esterhuizen, Aki, Kerevi, Tuilagi, Tuipolotu, Danty, Lawrence - all brick shithouses that play it direct You lot just don’t get it
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Apr 2024, 13:48
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29 Apr 2024, 13:48#14

Don’t doubt….Tuilagi, Kerevi, Bundi all have much higher try per test stats.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
29 Apr 2024, 13:53
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29 Apr 2024, 13:53#15
So if carrying in traffic constitutes 70% of Dud,s job, what is happening with the rest 30%? This is the argument everyone has with him….he mostly only carries and form’s rucks….he does not use the rest of his Backline percentages….Bok Game Plan and the lack of his play making skill’s , causes that….we need a guy there that can do both and not mostly killing the ball.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Apr 2024, 14:56
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29 Apr 2024, 14:56#16
No man I’m saying 70% of the game is played in traffic - the reality of modern test rugby
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Apr 2024, 14:57
#17
29 Apr 2024, 14:57#17
Overall they might have Moz but not over the past 3 or 4 years
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Apr 2024, 15:52
#18
29 Apr 2024, 15:52#18

Since 2021:

Dud Allende has scored 5 tries in 31 tests.

Bundee Aki 10 tries in 27 tests.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Apr 2024, 17:04
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29 Apr 2024, 17:04#19
That’s just one player and I bet you Aki has probably scored most of those 10 in the past 18 months as it’s when he has really come to light Two years ago we hardly mentioned his name - he was in and out the Irish side and made little impression when he was there. Back then it was all Henshaw and Ringrose Aki has had a purple patch a late bloomer but was nothing aged 30 odd
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Apr 2024, 17:20
#20
29 Apr 2024, 17:20#20

Agreed, his late emergence was somewhat surprising.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Apr 2024, 17:35
#21
29 Apr 2024, 17:35#21

It depends entirely on the level of teams he played against.   Against weak teams he can do well.   Against stronger teams he is not a huge factor..         

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Apr 2024, 18:31
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29 Apr 2024, 18:31#22
The problem with Fat Lip's argument for DDA is that he's not nearly aggressive enough for a "modern 12" role. Am hits harder than he does. Im gonna type some words below. And no matter how hard you try not to, the image will appear in your mind because you've see it so many times... DDA trying to hug the opposition to death.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
29 Apr 2024, 18:40
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29 Apr 2024, 18:40#23

Aki has had a purple patch a late bloomer but was nothing aged 30 odd

What sort of clown comment is this.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Apr 2024, 19:39
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29 Apr 2024, 19:39#24
Nothing clown about it sunshine it’s true - Aki was insignificant 4 years ago Don’t try tell me he was anything special back then
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Apr 2024, 19:41
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29 Apr 2024, 19:41#25
Buttplug stop speaking fucking utter shit as per usual How the fuck does de Allende make more dominant tackles than any other back in the game in the year 2023 if he is not hitting hard enough Fuck me you are profoundly stupid Keep up the good work
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Apr 2024, 21:24
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29 Apr 2024, 21:24#26
The Fat Lip, trying to site stats this time. Stats matter, but they don't matter, but they do matter, but they also don't, and do. Is that about right, Fat Lip. Just trying to keep up. DDA is a donkey, made of wet blankets.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
29 Apr 2024, 21:51
#27
29 Apr 2024, 21:51#27

Nothing clown about it sunshine it’s true 

Back to the circus son.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Apr 2024, 22:00
#28
29 Apr 2024, 22:00#28
Strav fuck off
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Apr 2024, 22:04
#29
29 Apr 2024, 22:04#29
Buttplug if a dumbfuck like you was correct about DA then Rassie would not have selected him as his 12 since 2018 ahead of the classy Esterhuizen - but hey ho you know fucking know better don’t you? Those pundits that selected him in the world side of the year were also clueless were’nt they Just fuck off you boring ignorant prick Stick to selecting Roos at 12 - rugby comedy is your thing
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Apr 2024, 13:02
#30
30 Apr 2024, 13:02#30

Well it's soon to be bye bye Donkey booi and I can't wait.

With the type of talent the Boks currently have at their disposal, why on earth would anyone keep a black hole at 12? 




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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Apr 2024, 13:15
#31
30 Apr 2024, 13:15#31
The joke is on you bald twat - DA is a class act and thank fuck Rassie knows it DA is going nowhere and thank fuck for that
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Apr 2024, 13:31
#32
30 Apr 2024, 13:31#32

Joke is on you, Fat Lip...DDA is toast and we'll finally have a thinking 12 that can run and use his brain at the same time.

Whaha there isnt a single Kiwi that we have met on this site that believes DDA to be a "class act" and I bet you Brown won't stray far from the herd in that regard.

But do tell us more but how Rassie knows Mostert is a class act too.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Apr 2024, 13:39
#33
30 Apr 2024, 13:39#33
I is so cleva I fink we shoold play them Roos at 12 Eish Lood is back Mostert will be toast thank fuck - DA is going nowhere Brown is as astute as Rassie - he is not a fucking plank like you are - ugly bald twat
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Apr 2024, 14:15
#34
30 Apr 2024, 14:15#34

‘DA is going nowhere’…nonsense Dave, he’s going one and a half metres.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Apr 2024, 14:20
#35
30 Apr 2024, 14:20#35
The standard in traffic Moz
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Apr 2024, 14:22
#36
30 Apr 2024, 14:22#36

World Cup final stats:

Dud 5 runs gaining 1 meter, beating a tackle, apparently while standing still.

His direct opponent, Barrett 16 runs for 47 metres, 6 defenders beaten

Another commanding performance from Dud and dominance of his direct opponent.

………..

J BarrettC01616470600


D AllendeC05510100
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Apr 2024, 14:28
#37
30 Apr 2024, 14:28#37
Given the number of times Barrett got the ball there is absolutely nothing in those stats One certainty is that Barrett did not come close to dominating DA - absolute bullshit
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Apr 2024, 15:26
#38
30 Apr 2024, 15:26#38

Barrett 3 metres a run…..Dud 0 metres a run. Barrett beats at tackle every three runs/Dud every 5 runs.

But Barrett put himself in a position to make a run much more often than Dud who wonders around in a brain Fog. Thus Barrett contributes 47 metres….Dud contributes 1. Total game changing dominance.

Hell most of the tackles on Barrett were made by Dud Toit, what was Dud doing all game apart from missing a quarter of his tackles and gaining 1 metre!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Apr 2024, 15:52
#39
30 Apr 2024, 15:52#39
Most of Barrett’s metres were from one single run when he was put into space I’m not saying DA had a dominant final but one thing is for sure Jordie did not dominate him. Those stats are a load of rubbish - there is no way DA only gained 1m all game It’s the same set of stats telling us Mostert never missed a tackle in the 2019 final These stats a flawed and provide no context
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Apr 2024, 15:56
#40
30 Apr 2024, 15:56#40
What was dominant was AE's performance against the same AB side... Oh wait, AE's was against 15 fresh ABs.
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