Stormers first try a classic example of what we have missed….

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Apr 27, 2024, 17:28

….if Dud Allende was in possession he would have continued to tractor.  Willemse produced a try scoring offload. In the Allende era there have been so many moments where an offload would have unlocked the defense. Was he coached out of this, or simply not able to do it….bit of a mystery.

Apr 27, 2024, 21:41

I think he was never able to.

He got into the Boks because he was big, quicker than he is now and could step a bit. He was getting good scores for the Stormers back then.

But I don't recall him ever being a decent distributor that knew where his support was.

The difference in ability between Willemse and DDA is ridiculously huge. Willemse contributes positively no matter where he plays. Week in and week out, you can count on him for something. An actual superstar, versus the hyped up donkey Dud.

Apr 27, 2024, 21:51


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Apr 28, 2024, 11:20

I liked Galant's try too.

And it's another example of something we never see DDA do.

Apr 29, 2024, 01:26

Th e opening  stnatement of Mozart says it all.    A try on the second level  of Rugby series is comparable to   International Tets performances and is just another BS story by Mozart.   Get real for a change,  

I suppose he cannot help it -  it is now 10 years of attacks on Du Toit and De Allende and 6 years of attacks on Erasmus.  A one-tracked mind confirming rugby idiocy and nothing  else.        .    

Apr 29, 2024, 04:51

Well DDA doesn't make those types of offloads at test or club level.

So there's that.

Apr 29, 2024, 10:54

He  does not says who?   He has scored 13 test tries for the Springboks - 12 more than Esterhuizn did.   Pollard said h e enver played with a btter center than D e A llende and he sh ould know what he is talking  about.   But I assume you are a bigger rugby expert than Pollard.     

Apr 29, 2024, 12:04

Mike, you said all of that.

I'm just daying that DDA doesn't make those types of insinctive and clever offloads.

Willemse did it last week as well. He intentiaonlly draws the opposition one way, creates space for a runner and then sets the runner off with a back-of-the-hand pass. 

It's what smart players like Willemse can do and what not so smart players like DDA can't do.

But it should be easy to prove me wrong...there are many clips and highlights of DDA online. 

You should be able to find him doing that, or something of simlar skill, at least one time...

Apr 29, 2024, 12:37

Yep Mike you are spot on - these clowns are comparing test rugby to the Stormers vs Leinster B side - fucking joke

Apr 29, 2024, 13:33

Dud has abysmally low try and assist stats in test rugby…better not go there.

Apr 29, 2024, 13:43

I somehow doubt any other current test 12 is doing a better job than DA when it comes to scoring tries or try assists - it’s not like a 12 is there to score loads of tries or be in a position to execute an assist

DA’s primary job is to carry in traffic and he is the best in the business at that - carry in traffic makes up 70% of a modern test 12’s job. It’s a fact you lot completely miss and the reason you all ignorantly don’t get the value of DA at all.

Same with his dominant tackles - he had the most of all backs in 2023.

It’s the physicality aspect of the game that he shines at with the added skill of being able to attack space when the opportunity presents itself

Why do you think all modern test 12’s are build like DA and not Willemse huh?

Just look at the list - DA, Esterhuizen, Aki, Kerevi, Tuilagi, Tuipolotu, Danty, Lawrence - all brick shithouses that play it direct

You lot just don’t get it

Apr 29, 2024, 13:48

Don’t doubt….Tuilagi, Kerevi, Bundi all have much higher try per test stats.

Apr 29, 2024, 13:53

So if carrying in traffic constitutes 70% of Dud,s job, what is happening with the rest 30%? This is the argument everyone has with him….he mostly only carries and form’s rucks….he does not use the rest of his Backline percentages….Bok Game Plan and the lack of his play making skill’s , causes that….we need a guy there that can do both and not mostly killing the ball.

Apr 29, 2024, 14:56

No man I’m saying 70% of the game is played in traffic - the reality of modern test rugby

Apr 29, 2024, 14:57

Overall they might have Moz but not over the past 3 or 4 years

Apr 29, 2024, 15:52

Since 2021:

Dud Allende has scored 5 tries in 31 tests.

Bundee Aki 10 tries in 27 tests.

Apr 29, 2024, 17:04

That’s just one player and I bet you Aki has probably scored most of those 10 in the past 18 months as it’s when he has really come to light

Two years ago we hardly mentioned his name - he was in and out the Irish side and made little impression when he was there. Back then it was all Henshaw and Ringrose

Aki has had a purple patch a late bloomer but was nothing aged 30 odd

Apr 29, 2024, 17:20

Agreed, his late emergence was somewhat surprising.

Apr 29, 2024, 17:35

It depends entirely on the level of teams he played against.   Against weak teams he can do well.   Against stronger teams he is not a huge factor..         

Apr 29, 2024, 18:31

The problem with Fat Lip's argument for DDA is that he's not nearly aggressive enough for a "modern 12" role.

Am hits harder than he does.

Im gonna type some words below. And no matter how hard you try not to, the image will appear in your mind because you've see it so many times...

DDA trying to hug the opposition to death.

Apr 29, 2024, 18:40

Aki has had a purple patch a late bloomer but was nothing aged 30 odd

What sort of clown comment is this.

Apr 29, 2024, 19:39

Nothing clown about it sunshine it’s true - Aki was insignificant 4 years ago

Don’t try tell me he was anything special back then

Apr 29, 2024, 19:41

Buttplug stop speaking fucking utter shit as per usual

How the fuck does de Allende make more dominant tackles than any other back in the game in the year 2023 if he is not hitting hard enough

Fuck me you are profoundly stupid

Keep up the good work

Apr 29, 2024, 21:24

The Fat Lip, trying to site stats this time.

Stats matter, but they don't matter, but they do matter, but they also don't, and do.

Is that about right, Fat Lip.

Just trying to keep up.

DDA is a donkey, made of wet blankets.

Apr 29, 2024, 21:51

Nothing clown about it sunshine it’s true 

Back to the circus son.

Apr 29, 2024, 22:00

Strav fuck off

Apr 29, 2024, 22:04

Buttplug if a dumbfuck like you was correct about DA then Rassie would not have selected him as his 12 since 2018 ahead of the classy Esterhuizen - but hey ho you know fucking know better don’t you?

Those pundits that selected him in the world side of the year were also clueless were’nt they

Just fuck off you boring ignorant prick

Stick to selecting Roos at 12 - rugby comedy is your thing

Apr 30, 2024, 13:02

Well it's soon to be bye bye Donkey booi and I can't wait.

With the type of talent the Boks currently have at their disposal, why on earth would anyone keep a black hole at 12? 

Apr 30, 2024, 13:15

The joke is on you bald twat - DA is a class act and thank fuck Rassie knows it

DA is going nowhere and thank fuck for that

Apr 30, 2024, 13:31

Joke is on you, Fat Lip...DDA is toast and we'll finally have a thinking 12 that can run and use his brain at the same time.

Whaha there isnt a single Kiwi that we have met on this site that believes DDA to be a "class act" and I bet you Brown won't stray far from the herd in that regard.

But do tell us more but how Rassie knows Mostert is a class act too.

Apr 30, 2024, 13:39

I is so cleva I fink we shoold play them Roos at 12


Lood is back Mostert will be toast thank fuck - DA is going nowhere

Brown is as astute as Rassie - he is not a fucking plank like you are - ugly bald twat

Apr 30, 2024, 14:15

‘DA is going nowhere’…nonsense Dave, he’s going one and a half metres.

Apr 30, 2024, 14:20

The standard in traffic Moz

Apr 30, 2024, 14:22

World Cup final stats:

Dud 5 runs gaining 1 meter, beating a tackle, apparently while standing still.

His direct opponent, Barrett 16 runs for 47 metres, 6 defenders beaten

Another commanding performance from Dud and dominance of his direct opponent.


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Apr 30, 2024, 14:28

Given the number of times Barrett got the ball there is absolutely nothing in those stats

One certainty is that Barrett did not come close to dominating DA - absolute bullshit

Apr 30, 2024, 15:26

Barrett 3 metres a run…..Dud 0 metres a run. Barrett beats at tackle every three runs/Dud every 5 runs.

But Barrett put himself in a position to make a run much more often than Dud who wonders around in a brain Fog. Thus Barrett contributes 47 metres….Dud contributes 1. Total game changing dominance.

Hell most of the tackles on Barrett were made by Dud Toit, what was Dud doing all game apart from missing a quarter of his tackles and gaining 1 metre!

Apr 30, 2024, 15:52

Most of Barrett’s metres were from one single run when he was put into space

I’m not saying DA had a dominant final but one thing is for sure Jordie did not dominate him.

Those stats are a load of rubbish - there is no way DA only gained 1m all game

It’s the same set of stats telling us Mostert never missed a tackle in the 2019 final

These stats a flawed and provide no context

Apr 30, 2024, 15:56

What was dominant was AE's performance against the same AB side...

Oh wait, AE's was against 15 fresh ABs.

Apr 30, 2024, 16:06

It’s the only test AE has ever been dominant in and let’s face it, it was a friendly

Apr 30, 2024, 16:09

The reason the running stat is hard to believe is because Dud’s numbers game after game are unbelievably bad….unless by chance ( he never creates anything) he makes a clean break. But 1 meter in 5 runs, which means he is stopped behind the gain line, is truly shockingly bad.

Apr 30, 2024, 16:16

Bullshit DA had a great WC that was confirmed in Chasing the Sun 2 - massive asset to the team

Your 1m stat is a load of shit

Apr 30, 2024, 16:35

Ok Moz I’ve just started the WC final again and go have a look at minute 5:30 and try tell me that DA does not make at least 4m in his first carry - stepping and beating a defender in the process

What a sad state of affairs ESPN stats are - insulting really

Apr 30, 2024, 16:38

This is a joke at minute 6:45 he gains another 3m and passes

I’m stopping there - enough evidence to confirm how utterly incompetent those stats are.

Two runs and he has already gained 7m and beaten a defender

Case closed

Apr 30, 2024, 17:46

4 metres laterally…zero going forward. I believe the stat is calculated in terms of the gain line. He never crosses it. I have searched for a definition, but haven’t found it. So my guess is only forward metres over the gain line are counted and negative metres are ignored.

Apr 30, 2024, 18:04

It’s flawed for if a player is put into space unopposed and gains 20m then if one relies on stats alone one would conclude that player was great with ball in hand

What is clear from the 6min I watched of the test is that DA’s first receipt of the ball results in him stepping a defender and gaining 4m in the process. A positive contribution

The second receipt has him in the line making metres and passing. Standard contribution

One certainty is that he has definitely already gained more than a metre over the gain line and that’s just after 6 min of the game

Apr 30, 2024, 18:14

He never gained 4 metres he got back to the gain line. All the metres before his pass in the second run were unopposed and behind the gain line.

The stats may not be perfect but will be specific. 

Apr 30, 2024, 18:31

No he ran at least 2m beat a defender then ran another 2m before being tackled. That’s 4m in total, two of which were gain line advances.

He never breached the gain line in his second receipt as that was just a process line movement

So in his first contribution of the match he already gains 2m a metre more than the stats say he gained all match

Geez Etzebeth’s hit on Richie M was huge

Apr 30, 2024, 18:41

I’ll look at it again later Dave. My guess is metres gained for a player is over the gain line where there is one…and after he gets the ball on a kick or an interception. 

Which makes sense because those are meters gained by the team…whereas in a run behind the gain line the team makes no meters. They started at the gain line.

So I checked the Bulls game and the sum of the meters gained by the players is exactly the meters gained by the team, which tends to confirm my original impression.

And I guess it’s not net metres….metres lost are wiped out, so when they say metres gained they are talking about gross meters gained.

Apr 30, 2024, 18:48

Yeah I’m guessing that is the case which I why I’m saying that on his first receipt he runs 2m, beats the defender on the gain line then advances another 2m before being tackled

Either way regardless of how they measure that passage of play to an observer that is a positive contribution by DA

The second receipt is different as he just runs 3m and passes - no gain line breached there

Apr 30, 2024, 19:27

If donkey swings it's tail at the moon and brays many meters did he make?

Apr 30, 2024, 19:45

Buttplug take your kindergarten humour and go shove it up your butt

You are soooo fucking boring

It’s tiresome - you bore me baldy

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