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Stormers’ regression is complete- Alister Coetzee is useless?

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
24 Feb 2014, 09:28
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24 Feb 2014, 09:28#1
Stormers’ regression is complete 321  26Stormers coaches Robbie Fleck and Allister Coetzee

The Stormers' 34-10 loss to the Lions was their biggest defeat since 2007. As was the case in that watershed season, there could be more humiliation to come, writes JON CARDINELLI.

Jean de Villiers’s comments at Saturday’s post-match interview were damning. The Stormers captain didn’t waste any time in describing the performance as ‘disgusting’. He accused his charges of not possessing the necessary pride and desire in the jersey.

I was with De Villiers up to that point, but he got it wrong when he assigned all the blame to the men on the field.

It was a gutless showing by the men in blue, and they will have to take responsibility for that. However, if attitude reflects leadership, then it's not only the Stormers' senior players who need to be held accountable, but the men in the coaches' box as well.

De Villiers said that there would be more questions than answers after an abject performance at Ellis Park. My first question would be: ‘How did we not see this coming?’

The Stormers have failed to evolve since making the 2010 Super Rugby final, for reasons that have been detailed at length in this column over the past four seasons. After the 25-17 defeat to the Bulls in Soweto, coach Allister Coetzee promised that the Stormers would improve their kicking game and attack before the 2011 season. It’s a promise he has continued to make in 2011, 2012, and 2013.

Let’s just say that Coetzee won’t be remembered in Cape rugby circles as 'Mr Delivery'.

My major criticism of the Stormers is that they have not built on the excellent structures put in place by Rassie Erasmus in 2008. Erasmus brought experts like Jacques Nienaber to Cape Town and transformed the Stormers’ defence into the best unit in the competition. He developed a pack that would be feared and respected for their physicality. He made the Stormers a team to be proud of, no small feat considering they were a laughing stock in 2006 and 2007.

Coetzee took the reins from Erasmus in 2010, and did nothing but maintain the status quo. Initially, that seemed to be enough as the Stormers still managed to qualify for the play-offs in 2011 and 2012. But then they fell short of the top-six objective in 2013, and their stagnation was made patent. They began to regress, and there isn’t a bigger example of that regression than their most recent loss to the Lions at Ellis Park.

The Stormers haven’t suffered a defeat by more than nine points since the 29-10 semi-final loss to the Crusaders in 2011

Another pertinent question for the Stormers after that match: 'If you don’t have physicality, desire, and defence, then what exactly do you have?'

These are the qualities that have defined the team for the past six seasons. The Stormers have often offset a lack of innovation with a determination and bloody-mindedness more typical of a Test side than a regional team. Losing that, what does this current side possess?

At the end of a poor 2013 campaign, WPRFU president Thelo Wakefield said that there was no danger of the coaching staff being axed. It spoke volumes for the prevailing mediocrity at the Stormers HQ.

And yet, I wonder how long Wakefield can continue to protect Coetzee and company. In recent years, the top brass has been content so long as the Stormers have pushed for a top-six place. But if they start to lose badly and drop down the log, heads will have to roll.

The Stormers pride themselves on their defence, and that they conceded 34 points against what is effectively a no-name Lions side is a damning indictment.

The Stormers haven’t suffered a defeat by more than nine points since the 29-10 semi-final loss to the Crusaders in 2011. And you need to go all the way back to 2007 for a losing margin in excess of 24 points.

Kobus van der Merwe’s side began that season with a 27-9 loss to the Cheetahs. They lost two of their first three matches, which were played in South Africa, and then lost three out of five on their overseas tour. This included a 36-11 thrashing at the hands of the Crusaders.

It was around this time that administrators were flown to Australasia to meet with the coaches and players. Somehow Van der Merwe retained his job for the remainder of the tour, and the season.

Even catastrophic losses to the Bulls (49-12 at Loftus Versfeld) and Sharks (36-10 at Newlands) were not enough to force the change. It was only when Van der Merwe’s Western Province lost to Boland in a Currie Cup match that Van der Merwe was shown the door.

The optimists will denounce the comparison between the side of 2007 and that of 2014. But there’s no denying that there are problems in the current set-up, and that the result this past Saturday could not be the exception this season, but the rule.

The Hurricanes showed pride and tenacity in their loss to the Sharks, and will push the Stormers close this Friday at Newlands. Even if the Stormers manage to bounce back this weekend, they will then need to negotiate an overseas tour schedule that sees them facing the Crusaders, Chiefs, Brumbies and Reds, all of whom qualified for last year's play-offs.

The Stormers needed to win and win well against the Lions to give themselves a fighting chance in this season's campaign. They’re now firmly on the back foot, and may be knocked to the canvas by the time their tour has concluded.

Change was needed in 2007, and looking back, it was probably a good thing that the Stormers struggled to such an extent. It forced the administrators to realise that something wasn't working.

Perhaps I’m the one being optimistic when I say the administrators will come to their senses and bullet the coaching staff after their inevitable failure Down Under. Maybe that will only happen post-season.

What is certain is that the Stormers will struggle to progress in their current guise, and that whether there is change or not, 2014 will be remembered as an annus horribilis for the Cape side.

Having begun the season with a 34-10 defeat to the weakest team in the tournament, some might say it already is.

Photo: Getty Images

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
24 Feb 2014, 09:32
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24 Feb 2014, 09:32#2
 Rassie is long gone, instead the Stormers have 2 pathetic coaches at the helm
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Feb 2014, 09:35
#3
24 Feb 2014, 09:35#3

 Sharkbok


Time to call up Dr Venter - I believe.

GR
GronNewbie8 posts
24 Feb 2014, 09:41
#4
24 Feb 2014, 09:41#4
Come on guys. That was bad, but they seemed extremely rusty and definitely not ready for Super Rugby.  But I'd rather not be in the team they play next.
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
24 Feb 2014, 11:35
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24 Feb 2014, 11:35#5
 I think that people just don't get it. The qualities that Meyer, Rassie, Mallet and White share is that they know how to build a team and implement the support structures. Allistair is nothing more than a curry cup level coach that managed to get some experience under white and work within the structures given to him. He has no clue how to spot talent or how to build an enviroment where players can come through. I can't remember any good players that Coetzee has signed. His biggest flops thus far has been Cilliers, Rhodes, Jantjies and Taute. The last three are good players but Coetzee just doesn't know how to use them. I was hoping that Jantjies would excell under the Stormers and be our missing link to get our potent backline going, but we ended up regressing even further. The man showed that he had no clue in how to bring players into a team. Whites approach has always been to phase players in. What Coetzee do on Saturday, threw in 4 rookies and some in crucial positions.
Well done lions, you are finally showing that you can win even though you don't have the deep pockets of the Stormers, Bulls or Sharks. Please just do the rest of SA a favour and make Ellis park a fortress for any visiting team. Make it impossible for them to win there. Please don't go and beat all the SA teams but fail to win against foreign teams. 
Back to Coetzee, how many talented players has he discarded. We had in the backline some fantastic players that should be making their mark by now but he kept playing the senior players into the ground and letting good players go. Andries bekker was played into the ground and had to battle through the season with injuries which ended up him losing out to world cups and test matches. No wonder the guy decided to pack it in and head to Japan. Bekker sighted that Super Rugby is just to demanding. To think that we had some really talented locks around and it wouldn't hurt to have a well planned out rotation policy. 
Back to Saturday, Catrikilles is a brave player but not a 10 that will get your backline going. Schreuders is up and down with his service. Coetzee should have used the curry cup last year to bring Swiel through and make sure that we have a half back combination that can get the backline going. Then he shifted De Allend to the wing when he could have moved de Villiers to 13 and at the same time help the boks. If F Steyn does well this season we could have two of our best centres playing for the boks. 
But it is just not about the players, its the tactics, Robbie Fleck and Coetzee has no idea how to coach a backline. If you compare to the skill levels of the Blues, Chiefs, Hurricans, Reds and Waratahs, the stormers are seriously lacking. The boks of old use to rely on individual brillance and some how it has stuck with Fleck. There is absolutely no deception in the backline play, to flat or deep and to many one of runners. For 4 years they achieved nothing. The only thing that will change is if Newlands faithly decide to stop showing up, but as long as the money keeps coming in, the top brass will stick with this idiot.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Feb 2014, 11:56
#6
24 Feb 2014, 11:56#6
"But I'd rather not be in the team they play next."

On the contrary, the Hurricanes must be licking their chops in anticipation.

Think about it . . . they've just received a pasting from a proper South African forward pack who decimated their weak scrum and dominated possession meaning that their dangerous backs had to live off scraps . . . now they're coming up against the weak and limp-wristed Stompies pack of gurly-boys.

The Hurricanes backs are probably counting the minutes to kick off!


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Feb 2014, 11:58
#7
24 Feb 2014, 11:58#7

You tell em Rooi, lol

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
24 Feb 2014, 12:37
#8
24 Feb 2014, 12:37#8
 Yep, think that the Hurricanes will take this one. They ran the sharks close and their defense were pretty solid against the sharks. The Hurricanes managed to scramble really well and it was only big Al charge for the line and an intercept that let to the sharks tries. For the rest of the game the sharks were forced to kick penalties. 
I don't think that the hurricanes will worry to much about the stormers causing them any problems up front or at the back. Cob webs should be cleared out and Bauden Barrett should have a big game. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Feb 2014, 13:00
#9
24 Feb 2014, 13:00#9

I like what I am reading but the fact is it is an away game for the Canes & they are always tough. At least the Canes showed they can play defense & the attack is always good. A win is possible.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
24 Feb 2014, 13:41
#10
24 Feb 2014, 13:41#10
 Its still early, teams are just feeling their way through. The last couple of seasons showed that teams can afford to lose up to 4 games and still qualify for a home semi. The chiefs got that with their 8 bonus points. But if you're going to lose you have to keep in touch. I think that is what the sharks end up doing with their penalty kicking, making sure the Hurricanes can't get a bonus point. The lions did the same, they kept begging the stormers back through points. The could have gone 7 points up and take a gamble and play for the bonus points.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Feb 2014, 14:49
#11
24 Feb 2014, 14:49#11

The Sharks were extremely dumb in their attacking play and they did not succeed  to actually score tries because of dimwits like Francois Steyn - the great ball hogger.    There were others who also suffered from White Line Fever and  that caused attacks to die.


I do not think the Hurricanes have the ammunition up front to defeat the Stormers and the Stormer backline will have a go at them with players like De Allende and De Villiers as centers.   The latter two are better than the Sharks two - since they are not going to destroy backline play like Steyn did so masterfully on Saturday.


Personally I think the outcome depends on the team selected by the Stormers.  If Coetzee goes dumb even further than he did on Saturday -  the Hurricanes have a chance to win.  However, I think that they in fact won't win and they would suffer another log pointless defeat .


  

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