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WPXVRookie27 posts
28 Nov 2013, 20:30
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28 Nov 2013, 20:30#1

All the WP contracted have started training already.  The injured players return for re-hab as well.


There are a few Springboks/Barbarians who are allowed to join training at a later stage (Aplon, de Villiers, Schalk Burger, Vermeulen, Malherbe (inj) & Etzebeth (inj)) as well as Cheslin Kolbe who is with the Blitzbokke and Argentinians lock Manuel Carizza.


Players currently injured or returning from injury in addition to Malherbe and Etzebeth are : Jaco Taute, Kyle Lombard,  Gary van Aswegen, Ryno Eksteen, Jurie van Vuuren, Gerbrandt Grobler, Oli Kebble, Sti Sithole & Tiaan Liebenberg).


There are also 8 2014 WPRI players who have been asked to join training. They are Grant Hermanus (returns to school next year), EW Viljoen, Daniel du Plessis, Jarryd Sage, Justin Phillips, Rickus Bothma, Jacques Vermeulen & JD Schickerling.


Peter Grant will also be part of the squad according to the newspaper I read earlier today.


Next year this squad will be split into a Super Rugby squad and Vodacom Cup squad.


BACKS


Jaco Taute (22) (full-back)

Gio Aplon (31) (full-back, wing)

Cheslin Kolbe (20) (full-back-wing)

Pat Howard (21) (wing, outside-centre)

Devon Williams (21) (wing)

JP Lewis (20) (wing)

Grant Hermanus (18) (wing)

EW Viljoen (18) (full-back)


Jean de Villiers (32) (centre)

Damian de Allende (22) (centre, wing)

Juan de Jongh (25) (outside-centre)

Michael van der Spuy (22) (outside-centre)

Kobus van Wyk (21) (inside-centre)

Johnny Kotze (20) (outside-centre)

Kyle Lombard (20) (inside-centre)

Jarryd Sage (18) (outside-centre)

Daniel du Plessis (18) (inside-centre)


Demtri Catrakilis (24) (fly-half)

Peter Grant (29) (fly-half, inside-centre)

Kurt Coleman (23) (fly-half)

Gary van Aswegen (23) (fly-half)

Ryno Eksteen (19) (fly-half)


Louis Schreuder (23) (scrum-half)

Nic Groom (23) (scrum-half)

Godlen Masimla (21) (scrum-half)

Jean Nel (20) (scrum-half)

Justin Phillips (18) (scrum-half)



FORWARDS


Loose-forwards


Duane Vermeulen (27) (8th-man)

Siya Kolisi (22)

Deon Fourie (27)

Nizaam Carr (22) (8th-man)

Rynhardt Elstadt (24)

Schalk Burger (30)

Rohan Kitshoff (28)

Rayn Smid (21) (8th-man)

Sikhumbuzo Notshe (20)

Josh Katzen (21)

Justin Benn (20) (8th-man)

Jurie van Vuuren (20) (can cover lock)

Eital Bredenkamp (20)

Carel du Preez (20) (can cover lock)

Rickus Bothma (18) (8th-man)

Jacques Vermeulen (18)


Locks


de Kock Steenkamp (26)

Eben Etzebeth (22)

Manuel Carizza (29)

Michael Rhodes (26)

Tazz Fuzani (22)

Gerbrandt Grobler (21)

Ruan Botha (21)

Jean Kleyn (20)

JD Schickerling (18)


Tight-head Props


Frans Malherbe (22)

Pat Cilliers (26)

Justin Ackerman (21)

Entienne Swanpoel (20)


Loose-head Props


Steve Kitshoff (21)

Brok Harris (28)

Oliver Kebble (21)

Alistair Vermaak (24)

Sti Sithole (20)


Hookers


Tiaan Liebenberg (32)

Scarra Ntubeni (22)

Stephan Coetzee (21)

Mike Willemse (20)

Freddie Kirsten (20)

PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
28 Nov 2013, 21:08
#2
28 Nov 2013, 21:08#2
 Hello Beeno 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Nov 2013, 21:11
#3
28 Nov 2013, 21:11#3
Hi Beens, we miss your inserted insightful & bolded comments 
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
28 Nov 2013, 21:59
#4
28 Nov 2013, 21:59#4
Abby Elizabeth is out for 6 months and will miss most of the S15 next season.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Nov 2013, 01:05
#6
29 Nov 2013, 01:05#6

WP XV


Saffex was trying to get hold f you about the EG Jansen team that will e playing his school this weekend.   He wanted to know whether there are any kids that you know about that would be standout players he must look for in the EG Jansen team.  If you can help - please open a thread on the issue.   The match apparently is on Saturday - so it is urgent.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Nov 2013, 08:50
#7
29 Nov 2013, 08:50#7
One could weep when one thinks of the top quality players lost in the last few seasons.Now the worlds premier lock is out for the first half of the season. Overplayed and injured. The oaks running things need to take the advice I belie ve Prof Noakes gave them re player managment. I hear we are searching for some wings. How we could have done with Quinn Roux.
Stormers still should do fairly well and possibly make the top six. Can't say I am overly optimistic of winning it. We simply cannot consistently lose quality players and hope to win the Super 15.
Watch out for the Sharks under Jake. Bulle also should be better than last year. Cheetahs season will as always depend on injuries and Goosens form. Never have sufficient depth.
One wishes that ou rooitwit would show some respect for the world's premier lock - what a disrespectful twit! I think if Eben glanced his way he would have a siezure! 
JW, Beeno has spoken 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Nov 2013, 09:23
#8
29 Nov 2013, 09:23#8
Chiefs, Chiefs, Chiefs! 
Then of course there are the Blues & the Crusaders. The Blues are going to be one of the top teams; the Crusaders always are. The Canes and Highlanders will upset enough of the top teams to ensure the Chiefs win it all again.
Beeno, sure some  of  the SA teams have possibilities, enough to sustain the hopes & dreams of their fans but realistically can you compare them to the Chiefs?

T hanks for providing your self-portrait (included here for the convenience of our attention deficit         posters). Your looking good Beeno, keep up the good work, you have our full support 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Nov 2013, 09:52
#9
29 Nov 2013, 09:52#9
 JW   the chiefs have had their day and surely have had more of their share of lady lucks bounty. 
The Sharks have to be favourites as they are the one of two SA franchises with a coach. The other is the Cheetahs but unfortunately Naka does not have the player base. Wonder how the Lions will go. Try and make top 10.

Lets hope the nz refs attempt to be only mildly biased - what an improvement that would be.I wonder what my good friend sitting bull thinks of the chiefs prospects.  Doubtless he will be worried about their game against the Mighty Stormers. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Nov 2013, 09:57
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29 Nov 2013, 09:57#10
Yes, Beeno we all await the wisdom of sitting bull, lol Looking at the Stormers team I am afraid it will be another case of a storm in a tea cup in 2014.
Sitting bull's legend growths with time, I am told that he was a Chiefs supporter - he has my full respect 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Nov 2013, 10:10
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29 Nov 2013, 10:10#11
 I think sitting bull slipped in a rain puddle on the road and bumped his head. The council are suing him for damages. He needs the moonbeam to shine some light in his direction. Seems the central contractors are loading the chiefs these days or will they revert to the crusaders to keep confusing folk. We sha ll see
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Nov 2013, 10:36
#12
29 Nov 2013, 10:36#12

 Beeno


The problem is not necessarily the squad - it is what witless Coetzee is going to select that is more important.   His love for midgets is well-known - as is his addiction to players like Knobel, De Jongh and  Coleman.   None o those 3 are anywhere near Super 15 level players.


If I have top select a team from that squad - I would select the following:-


15  Jaco Taute

14  Gio Aplon

13  Jean de Villiers

12  Damian de Allende

11  Pat Howard

10  Demitri Catrakilis

  9  Louis Schreuder

  8  Duane Vermeulen

  7  Runhardt Elstadt

  6  Deon Fourie        -

  5  Manual Carizza

  4  Ruan Botha

  3  Frans Malhebe

  2  Tiaan Liebenberg

  1  Steven Kitshoff


Not bad - but that team does not include enough BEE players and definitely not the favourite midgets of Coetzee - so no chance of selection of that team.



BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Nov 2013, 11:39
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29 Nov 2013, 11:39#13
 Mike his penchant is for the selection of small players in the backline is well documented. He appears to be under quota constraints either forced or otherwise. We shall see what he does. Has he learnt anything.   He did re the attack problem

Your team looks pretty useful!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Nov 2013, 16:25
#14
29 Nov 2013, 16:25#14
Denny was saying that Sitting Bull was always right with his predications - which means he was a  Chiefs supporter of course. Sounds like he had intelligence that would even rival  Mozart's.  
WP
WPXVRookie27 posts
02 Dec 2013, 20:51
#15
02 Dec 2013, 20:51#15

Unfortunately not Mike. A bit late now but all I know is that the Falcons Craven Week team this year was dominated by EG Jansen.


 Valke: 15 Kobus Engelbrecht (EG Jansen), 14 Darren de Bruyn (Jeugland), 13 Sampie Hearn (EG Jansen), 12 Zander Cronje (EG Jansen), 11 Elrin van Rooyen (Vereeniging Gimnasium), 10 Ruan Potgieter (EG Jansen), 9 MJ van Vuuren (Transvalia), 8 Mornè Swart (EG Jansen), 7 Marco Holmes (EG Jansen), 6 Joswin de Wee (Vereeniging Gimnasium), 5 Estiaan Enslin (EG Jansen), 4 Rulani Ncubuka (AHS Sasolburg), 3 D Venter (Vereeniging Gimnasium), 2 Pieter Jansen (EG Jansen), 1 Thabo Pitsi (Rhodes).
Reserves: 16 M Greyvenstein (EG Jansen), 17 Arnaut Malberbe (Transvalia), 18 Ben Wepener (Kemptonpark), 19 Eddie Mlotshwa (Kemptonpark), 20 R Solomons (Carel de Wet THS), 21 Cameron Rooi (Die Anker), 22 Jacqone de Villiers (Vereeniging Gimnasium).

WP
WPXVRookie27 posts
02 Dec 2013, 20:54
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02 Dec 2013, 20:54#16

Not sure why there is the negativity towards Kolbe. He was sensational on attack in the Curie Cup. Along with Aplon they had the most line brekas in the competition. Their defence isn't anything to be ashamed about either. Basically both are freaks in my eyes.


Interview with Swiel on leaving WP


http://www.hssm.co.za/news/rugby/national/2013/one-one-sas-promising-flyhalf-timothy-swiel


Interview with Howard about joining senior ranks permanently


http://www.hssm.co.za/news/rugby/national/2013/patrick-howard-looks-break-wp-senior-ranks?utm_content=buffera979c&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

WP
WPXVRookie27 posts
02 Dec 2013, 21:24
#17
02 Dec 2013, 21:24#17

I think the young players too watch moving up from the u21s will be Pat Howard, Devon Williams, Kobus van Wyk & Godlen Masimla in the backline.


Howard is strong and powerful but looks a confidence player to me. Often doesn't get involved much in games. There is no doubting his raw attributes. Huge pre-season for him. I think he will need to get his chance on the wing. Mainly because he has more opportunity of getting a go there first.


Williams is a devastating runner with the ball in hand on the wing and has handy left boot. Won WP u21 back of the year in 2012 as an u20.


Masimla is a very efficient scrum-half who was very good in the u21 final. Arguably our best back line player on the day. Good decision making and good pace off the mark.


van Wyk (94kg) is a strong running number 12 with strong defence. Will be difficult for him to break into the senior set-up much like Michael van der Spuy (89kg). Through the age groups van Wyk and Howard (101kg) were a centre partnership.


Next years u21 partnership will be former Bishops boy Johnny Kotze (89kg) (very good off-loader in the tackle) and Kyle Lombard (87kg) but Quite a few will be licking their lips at the u19 duo of Daniel du Plessis (93kg) and Jarryd Sage (92kg). Both have rugby genes. Michael du Plessis (father of Daniel) & Doug Hopwood (grandfather of Sage) played for the Springboks.


Other Under 19s invites to train with the seniors in EW Viljoen (92kg) (powerful and clever full-back we got from FS) , Grant Hermanus (76kg) (winger who kicks for polls) & Justin Phillips (76kg) (SA Schools 2 years in a row who the Bulls lost) are all highly rated and all were SA Schools 2013.


With regards to fly-halves. It seems we will be going with Catrakilis and Grant as our main two options. Coleman and van Aswegen I believe will fade over time due to lack of opportunites and age. When WP announced they lost Tim Swiel they spoke of their talents in Ryno Eksteen and 2014 WPRI fly-halves Brandon Thompson (SA Schools from Pumas) & Ernst Stapelberg (from EP Kings).



On to the forwards.


Back-row groupings:

1) Vermeulen, Burger, Kolisi

2) Carr, Elstadt, Fourie

3) Smid, Notshe, Katzen


A good first 6 options. A mixture of senior experience and youthful experience. They may look to Rohan Kitshoff but I hope they look at the loose trio that won us the u21 Currie Cup. Arguably these 3 were the biggest reasons. Smid is strong in defence and strong ball carrier (physicality) while Notshe is powerful but quick and was a real stand out this past season. Katzen though is the best find WPRU will make. He is the splitting image of Corne Krige in style. Watch him he will go places.


The u21sloose-forwards are decent next season but I don't expect them to rip up trees. The u20s (last season u19s) were always a bad bunch so we look at the 2014 WPRI intake and Rickus Bothma (102kg) and Jacques Vermeulen (104kg) have huge futures ahead of them. They were both SA Schools and took Craven Week by storm.


Our lock situation:


Etzebeth & Grobler are basically out for the season. Huge losses but both are young and will come back stronger.


I would imagine de Kock Steenkamp, Manuel Carizza and Michael Rhodes will share the duties. A trio of Tazz Fuzani, Ruan Botha and Jean Kleyn will all be there and there abouts. Fuzani impressed greatly in the Currie Cup. A great find from Club rugby and he weighs in at 116kg. Ruan Botha is a master technician in the line out and like Paul Willemse left the Lions as a youngster. Jean Kleyn is a name to watch as well. Highly rated in the WP corridors. 2014 WPRI player JD Schickerling has a hug future ahead of him as well. He made SA Schools in 2012 and would have done so in 2013 if not for injury.


Our props:


1) Kitshoff 3) Malherbe

1) Harris 3) Cilliers

1) Kebble 3) Swanepoel


We pretty much know the first 4 but big things are expected of Kebble and Swanepoel. U21 Coach John Dobson thinks these 2 have huge futures and Kebble has come along way from his SA u20 performances and is shaping up nicely winning WP u21 forward of the year. Both weigh over 120kgs and will make Cilliers and Harris look over their shoulders.


Hookers will be Liebenberg and Ntubeni with possibly Fourie filling in. The most exciting youngster is the energetic Mike Willemse who will bring power in the scrum but good skills in open play too.

XT
XtramickClub Pro103 posts
02 Dec 2013, 23:23
#18
02 Dec 2013, 23:23#18
If they can add a wing before the start of super rugby then i like the depth the squad has. Basically 2 quality players per position. Coetzee has let some talent slip but he has also developed some gems 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Dec 2013, 23:55
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02 Dec 2013, 23:55#19
Thanks WPXV for an excellent post and one looks forward to seeing how some of these youngters progress. However once they have progressed are we going to keep them?
Glad Etzebeth will be back after 4 months or so. Means he only misses around two months of Super 15.
We need to be at full strength so that those egotistical chiefs get a severe dose of reality.

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Dec 2013, 12:20
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03 Dec 2013, 12:20#20
You should have no problem at all now that Burger is back Beeno? Wonder if he will be able to keep up with the pace of the game ! If he keeps his thumb out of people's eyes, he should be okay!
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