SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Apr 2019, 09:46#1
They started with so much promise. Great intensity with an effective style of keeping the ball alive through the offload while upright or pop pass off the ground.
I liked the direction the team was taking it looked promising. But none of this momentum converted to points. Instead of building they let it slip through costly one on one errors like the poor de Allende miss.
I’m not convinced by du Plessis at 10 and Chris v Zyl is a passenger at lock. If JD is injured move PSDT back to lock and play Wiese at 7.
Move Willemse back to 10 with Lleyds at 15
The Stormers on paper are such a better side - says a lot for Fleck as a coach - but as I say their intent to keep the ball alive looked promising they need to stick with it and work on the conversion rate.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Apr 2019, 10:44#3
Agreed I’d only play him at lock.
He does a job at 7 thanks to his carries but is not athletic enough for a flank. He’s a big oaf!!
I’d play him and Eben as my Bok locks with Lood or RG on the bench.
Our best options at 7 are JL du Preez or Jacques du Plessis of Montpellier.
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Apr 2019, 11:08#4
I agree. Play Damian Willemse at #10, drop the useless "Kleintjie Carel" or whatever the Stompie blowhards call Jean-Luc du Plessis these days and stick Leyds or SP Marais at fullback.
And for the sake of the Springboks, play Pieter-Steph du Toit at lock where he's more effective.
sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
02 Apr 2019, 12:43#7
Delande is a brainless specimen. Even try shifting Jean Luc to 12 and putting Willemse at 10, anything has to be an improvement on the current setup.
sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
02 Apr 2019, 16:24#14
Fat Fransie is limited, but he does offer more than brain Dead Delande, and Cart Huizen. Carthuizen is actually a clone of Frans Steyn- except without the early days when Steyn was an excellent player.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2019, 17:18#15
Well this is a nice rugby thread, with some sensible stuff.
By all means lets move Stephanie back to 5. He's no flank and posted out literally on the left wing, he sticks out like a sore thumb. But he is going to have to work on his lineouts which have been erratic.....and perhaps even put that 10lbs back....he is tossed around too easily.
Wiese is bog ordinary, but an honest grafter
Willemse at 12......he doesn't have the head for 10......hopefully that comes.
Kolisi frankly has been pathetic. Missing a third of his tackles on Saturday and being bullied in the rucks.....he looks like a player in second gear.
Carel stays by default, and as Dave says Lleyds must go to 15. SP is done......there has to be another option.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Apr 2019, 19:44#17
Moz what rugby are you watching - I’m yet to see PSDT get tossed around - all I see is him charging forward making metres through contact time after time.
Beenkop is the only fool on here who thinks PSDT is a flank.
Where is EW Viljoen who played 13 for the Stormers all of last year.
Young du Plessis played all his age group rugby at 12 not 13 and whoever said he was too flimsy for 12 might want to rethink that given he tips the scales at 103kg.
de Allende had a crap game but has been good this season
Chipo - fuck off!!!!
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Apr 2019, 20:11#21
Yeah I was talking about Dan du Plessis.
Rubbish re EW Viljoen he played really well for the first half of last years Super season
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Apr 2019, 22:56#23
Given the dismal records of Fleck and Rassie I rest my case.
He is big, strong and the perfect lock - he is not a flank - he is not nimble or athletic enough.
Keep him at lock where he belongs
sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
03 Apr 2019, 00:33#24
He is a good test level loose forward, especially on slower pitches and Northern Hemisphere refs. He is too big for SuperRugby, and the world cup will be in Japan - so with a Southern Hemisphere ref on fast Japan pitches, he may be too big. When he tries to hang out wide that is when he buggers up.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Apr 2019, 10:15#25
He is too big for flank regardless of where he plays.
He does a good job at flank because he is that good a player but he would be far better utilised at 5
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Apr 2019, 10:52#27
Chippo I’m of the opinion that most of the black players playing today are as good as the white players but realistically as a coach you would still want to be selecting your best 23 regardless of colour.
So while I think there are many good black players out there if I was selecting my Bok side for instance only two black players would be certainties in my starting side - Nkosi and Dyantyi, with possibly Kolisi at 6.
I’m guessing at provincial level the coaches are faced with the same dilemma.
There is no ways I’d be selecting Andrews at lock for the Sharks or Orie for the Lions but then again nor would the likes of Chris v Zyl make my Stormers side or Ross Cronje or Jacobie Adriaanse my Lions side.
Clearly our sides are handicapped by the insulting quota system but thankfully most of our black players are handy these days.
But the system clearly sells us short despite my take on the credentials of black players these days.
There can be nothing worse for a coach - having your hands tied. It defeats the object of the game. Imagine being faced with a squad of 40 players and you know that you can’t pick at least 5 of them on pure merit each game. Must be so frustrating and must affect your mindset over time. Maybe that is why our coaches appear so average? They are psychologically affected by the quota system. You keep having to deal with second best, so the mindset automatically defaults to under achieving?
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Apr 2019, 16:26#29
If the concussion is a one off event I wouldn't be worried about that. But Etzebeth has had a fair amount of ankle injuries and the neck/shoulder injury.
Personally I think Etzebeth's running style invites disaster. He is a very quick lock and accelerates flat out into the opposition. He is a huge man, but there are big defenders as well, and for the Boks last year Etzebeth was involved in many of these collisions.
By the law of averages he is going to get hurt. You don't see Jaws charging in this way....he takes contact but in a less violent way, and offloads.
We need Eben....badly. So I hope up to the WC he tempers his bull-like charges.
