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Strictly speaking you don't have to be the best side in the world to win WC

Started by generaltit15 REPLIES162 VIEWS· 27 Aug 2014, 11:36
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GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
27 Aug 2014, 11:36
#1
27 Aug 2014, 11:36#1

...But the smartest...Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.


This has been proved...the only time the best sides won without any doubt were the 2 by Australia and the one by England...this really throws the spanner into the works and the cat amongst the pigeons...enough said.


Whist the forum is debating about England/AB's and South Africa and Wallabys, France or Ireland is lurking and could easily upset the applecart...much to Seb's sorrows ...lolz...oops I'm outa here!


BE
becsPro4,378 posts
27 Aug 2014, 11:55
#2
27 Aug 2014, 11:55#2
Well, we all know it won't be Scotland, Seb  !!!!!   
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Aug 2014, 12:47
#3
27 Aug 2014, 12:47#3
I'd say luck plays a bigger part than smarts, and the ability to handle playoff pressure even more so. Both France and Australia were superior to England in 2007, for example, but England handled the playoff pressure better to see both of them off in the quarters and semis. Isolated events, bounce of the ball can also turn games. The French forward pass that sank NZ in 2007 is a memorable example. Playoff rugby is a different beast to a logged tournament.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Aug 2014, 12:53
#4
27 Aug 2014, 12:53#4
 You mean Seb that the abs could win?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Aug 2014, 13:03
#5
27 Aug 2014, 13:03#5

Err Beeno, Seb is saying "...you don't have to be the best side in the world to win the WC. This was proven everytime the ABs didn't win it.

 

Glad I could provide clarificaiton on this weee matter

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
27 Aug 2014, 13:06
#6
27 Aug 2014, 13:06#6
No, the theory about giving people the easiest of runs to a Final and them still losing is highlighted by NZ, JW. 
Glad your country can be of some use to the world !!!   
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Aug 2014, 13:17
#7
27 Aug 2014, 13:17#7

NZ culture is to be helpful & fair in all things Becs. We even let the other teams win once in a while

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
27 Aug 2014, 13:39
#8
27 Aug 2014, 13:39#8
Very helpful and fair to ummmmmm....wildlife ? How about explaining that one to me  and don't tell me Possums are from Britain or are English, please.....as was told my brother in law a few months back !!!! 
Let's start with that and then we can move on to other issues, if you want    
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Aug 2014, 13:54
#9
27 Aug 2014, 13:54#9
 JW in an awkward spot. Hahahhahahahaha
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
27 Aug 2014, 13:58
#10
27 Aug 2014, 13:58#10
 No, Beeno........it's just a question  
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
27 Aug 2014, 14:28
#11
27 Aug 2014, 14:28#11
No Becs, sadly Scotland is pushing it a little too far into fairyland although I would love them to win...rugby is too small there but ironically Scotland has beaten England, South Africa and Australia (but never NZ). In support of NZ, they are most of the TIME the best side but not every year but laterly yes.

In the first WC, they won in 1987 but we'll never know if they were better than the Springboks then because obviously if you don't play them how are to know. The next was Australia (the Boks did not play either) but that side and the next side 4 years were phenominal Wallaby sides, I believe Australia will struggle to get back there, during that period NZ were also good but France was the spoilers.

SA won their first world cup but there was so many peculiar things and hype, semi final controversy, first with rain and field and foul play in Canada match with Dalton spoiling it that we had to play water polo...the French try was disallowed...looked at it many times and imo no doubt a try...the ground had an inch layer of water...so what? The Mandela thing etc, etc, Louis Luyt moving hell and high water (no pun intended) SA just HAD to win...politics, actually world politics...very powerful.

Sean Fitzpatricks side...definitely in the top 4 rugby sides EVER, speaking of this and going off at a tangent and just my choice.

The best rugby side in SA was Philip Nels Springboks in 1937, the best NZ side was under Sean and the best rugby side ever was the Br Lions side under Willie John Mc Bride in the 70's and Englands best side was under Martin Johnson.

In 2007, France got rid of NZ (clever) and England Australia (clever rugby). SA beat England (who happened to get France on an off day, which occurs every now and then ). NZ were the best side but not the smartest.

In 2011, France actually won on the field but the scoreboard was short of one measly point (well known wisdom of uncle snoekbek). NZ incidentally were the best team in the world but they definately did not win or deserve that win


 
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
27 Aug 2014, 14:34
#12
27 Aug 2014, 14:34#12
No, we won fair and square against France, thanks !!!  
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Aug 2014, 15:22
#13
27 Aug 2014, 15:22#13
Ha ha Beeno , awkward spot from an innocent question from dear Becs, never! 
As with all such questions I will give it the consideration it deserves and provide a response in the fullness of time, lol
 
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
27 Aug 2014, 15:32
#14
27 Aug 2014, 15:32#14
In other words......he's going to ignore it    
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
28 Aug 2014, 04:02
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28 Aug 2014, 04:02#15
 
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
28 Aug 2014, 07:06
#16
28 Aug 2014, 07:06#16
 Whats that about possums ?They are a nasty destructive pest outside their native Australia ,at least I made money from them as a kid trapping them and selling the skins .Gotta good recipe for possum stew.Put the possum in a pot with a river stone ,boil for 12 hours .After 12 hours cook some veges in a seperate pot .Take out possum add veges and eat rock...Same recipe applies or English carp although you can substitute gorse and Sottish thistle for veges .
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