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Super Rugby must keep South Africa; by Jeff Wilson

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Apr 2014, 10:35
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22 Apr 2014, 10:35#1

OPINION: This talk of moving away from South Africa in Super Rugby is madness.

This is the best international competition outside of test rugby and it would be foolhardy to mess with its essential formula.

My old All Black team-mate Andrew Mehrtens certainly ruffled a few feathers last week when he suggested it would be in New Zealand's interests to move away from South Africa and align closer with Australia.

I couldn't disagree more. The three countries each provide a different type of football, and I'd be reluctant to change anything that precluded those clashes of styles.

This franchise competition prepares our players and coaches very, very well for the next level of the game - and that should not be under-estimated.

It's not only the clashes of style - the mental and physical challenge you face on any given week is huge.

I don't buy that the distance factor should force South Africa to play elsewhere. Travel is part and parcel of international sport and not a contributing factor for poor performance.

The All Blacks have become an adept travelling team, but they're yet to win a World Cup on foreign soil. So even they are still working at that part of their game.

The financial aspect is also significant. For New Zealand rugby to protect its players and retain the best possible player base, they need revenue. At the moment the South Africans provide a good chunk of that.

Australia clearly feel there's a direction they need to take to generate more revenue.

But is that in the best interests of New Zealand rugby? I would suggest not.

Playing only Australian sides would become a little one-dimensional, and it might result in even more players inclined to cross the Tasman.

Also, growing the New Zealand quota of teams would be the death knell for our provincial championship. Super Rugby in a trans-Tasman format would effectively consume it, and I'm not sure that's in the fans' best interests.

In terms of player development, the current format works bloody well. Our depth at the top level is outstanding, and these are men weaned on the tough diet of Super Rugby.

The challenge that South Africa presents is constant. If there's one team New Zealanders get nervous about playing, particularly in the republic, it's the Springboks.

Take them away from the franchise competition and you take away the ability of our top players to be prepared to play them in international football.

Take it from me, there's a ruthless physicality and intensity to their game that you need to be familiar with to beat it on a regular basis.

We've seen an example of that as New Zealand teams found a way to combat the Bulls' daunting lineout drive. Those are solutions that will stick with our players.

It's interesting Australia are talking tough on the back of improved Super Rugby performances. But I reserve judgment on the strength of their game until the business end of the season, and when the Bledisloe is up for grabs.

I'm all for the Australian rivalry - just not at the expense of the South African one. The NZRU has this right. We need to play the South Africans regularly to be able to beat them regularly.

? These are worrying times in Blues country. Their road record is woeful, and to have any chance of a late playoff run they're going to have to win away from home.

At the moment every time they get on a plane they play a different brand of football than what they produce at Eden Park. That's just not good enough.

We also got a pretty good gauge on where Benji Marshall is at. That's because he just hasn't played enough football.

The Canes still have some distance to go to be a genuine contender, but where does that leave the Blues? Even with all their experience they can't find a way to use their talent. You just can't make that number of errors at that level.

They haven't found the answer at 10 and I don't think they're going to find it this season. At least not one that will take them into the playoffs.

In contrast, the Hurricanes were impressive, especially their forward pack. They were under pressure early at scrum time but found a way to keep themselves in the game - even while down a man.

It helps too when your All Blacks hit form - namely Cory Jane and Julian Savea - and you get your tactics right. The Blues' inexperience, among other things, was badly exposed.

- © Fairfax NZ News

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Apr 2014, 10:36
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22 Apr 2014, 10:36#2
 Well the other side of the argument by another former All Black 
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
22 Apr 2014, 12:07
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22 Apr 2014, 12:07#3
This makes a lot more sense to me. I reckon the supporters would suffer if South africa was excluded from Super Rugby, and by supporters I mean Aussies, NZ'ers and SA's alike. 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Apr 2014, 13:02
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22 Apr 2014, 13:02#4
 Sanity had to prevail JW and one only wonders what papa moaner, poooie and the other oaks think now - wasnt nuked kiwi part of the nz bluster team?. I trust they will realsie we are totally indispensible. Some red faces now for sure! Bwahahahhahahaha
Strike now SARFU and lay down the law to the oz/nz  oaks. Fair refs and 4 conseque tive matchs in SA. For a starters.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Apr 2014, 15:16
#5
22 Apr 2014, 15:16#5

 "Well the other side of the argument by another former All Black"

 

 

Well, I'd say it's just commonsense.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Apr 2014, 18:45
#6
22 Apr 2014, 18:45#6
 Well Merthans had to get everyone's attention & he was effective.
But, you notice the title of this article is "...must keep South Africa" he didn't say want to keep South Africa, lol
And yes, by all means Beeno, please straighten out those SA refs they are still a disgrace with only one exception. And yes, make the Sharks travel more that would be a good start. Perhaps you can also lobby to make sure the scoreboard doesn't count & SA teams get points for playing boring rugby.
NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
23 Apr 2014, 01:30
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23 Apr 2014, 01:30#7
 Noone is arguing that the SANZAR triumvirate do not constitute the strongest rugby competition in world rugby. What I'm saying and what Merhtons alluded to is that the current format is unsustainable. SA is an exhausted market. There is no room for growth in the Republic (and NZ for that matter) so its time for NZ to look elsewhere to generate the necessary funds to retain its best players. As SARU begin to increasingly throw their weight around, NZ and OZ will be left with a smaller and smaller piece of the pie. Its a case of ever diminishing returns. NZ and Oz will suffer whilst SA prospers. Its madness and short sighted. 
Japan is a great option because it is a large market and we need only capture 1-2 percent of the Japanese population to replace the revenue lost by ditching the SAFFAs. The 2019 RWC is the perfect platform for NZ, OZ, Japan and a Polynesian side to begin promoting a new competition. The IRB will invest heavily in promoting the game in Japan and we can capatilise on that exposure if we are clever and quick. Goldie might be happy being SAs lap dog but I aint. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
23 Apr 2014, 01:58
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23 Apr 2014, 01:58#8
@nukefreekiwi, aka lap dog to South Africa. Its not all that bad, at least South African teams are allways guaranteed to get the toughest tour. 4-5 away games on the trot, and then returning to a home derby, or another travelling team. 
The Sharks are fortunate to only be playing 4 away games this year on tour. 
New Zealand get 2 away games in SA, and then can return home for a bye rest, and then in the tournament make 2 separate short flights to Australia. 
NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
23 Apr 2014, 02:06
#9
23 Apr 2014, 02:06#9
 Yeah, Jake has carved a nice a career out of "fortunate" events. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Apr 2014, 02:44
#10
23 Apr 2014, 02:44#10
" Goldie might be happy being SAs lap dog but I aint. " ...well there is a slight difference, Wilson is a rugby legend, you are a zero.
NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
23 Apr 2014, 02:56
#11
23 Apr 2014, 02:56#11
 ......and what is Andrew Merhtons? Chopped liver? 
you really are a bitter old man moz. colostomy bag not been emptied lately? 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Apr 2014, 03:05
#12
23 Apr 2014, 03:05#12
Nah, you are thinking about your daddy.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
23 Apr 2014, 15:20
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23 Apr 2014, 15:20#13

 A good objective presentation of facts by one of the greats of rugby...only a fool would over rule this strong case...too many points in favour:

1) This is the best international competition outside of test rugby and it would be foolhardy to mess with its essential formula.

2) The three countries each provide a different type of football, and I'd be reluctant to change anything that precluded those clashes of styles.

3) This franchise competition prepares our players and coaches very, very well for the next level of the game - and that should not be under-estimated.

   4) It's not only the clashes of style - the mental and physical challenge you face on any given week is huge.

5) Travel is part and parcel of international sport and not a contributing factor for poor performance.

6) The financial aspect is also significant. For New Zealand rugby to protect its players and retain the best possible player base, they need revenue. At the moment the South Africans provide a good chunk of that.

7) Playing only Australian sides would become a little one-dimensional, and it might result in even more players inclined to cross the Tasman.

8) Also, growing the New Zealand quota of teams would be the death knell for our provincial championship. Super Rugby in a trans-Tasman format would effectively consume it, and I'm not sure that's in the fans' best interests.

9) In terms of player development, the current format works bloody well. Our depth at the top level is outstanding, and these are men weaned on the tough diet of Super Rugby.

10) Take them away from the franchise competition and you take away the ability of our top players to be prepared to play them in international football.

 

PS...A great man, Jeff Wilson...intelligent and all round sportsman...a thinking man both on the field and off...NZ'ers must be proud of him...one of the greats I'll never forget.

 

 

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DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
23 Apr 2014, 16:37
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23 Apr 2014, 16:37#14

 ".....so its time for NZ to look elsewhere to generate the necessary funds to retain its best players."

 

How about having a look at your own backyard, I can't recall a game in NZ where the stadiums are half full. So before you lot go scraping funds off another nation how about promoting the game on your own turf?

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