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Super Rugby - South Africa & Australia on Life Support

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Feb 2019, 21:09
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24 Feb 2019, 21:09#1

If New Zealand Rugby was a person, they would be lamenting the annoying parasites clinging to their back.

Super Rugby crowds are in ill health. The number of people wanting to watch live sport is waning, and the competition as a whole is losing valued numbers through the gates.

But there is a split between New Zealand and our Sanzaar brothers, Australia and South Africa. Kiwi crowds are on the improve, while our bigger siblings cling on for dear life.


Crowd figures from 2017 highlight the difference between perception and reality when it comes to attendances for Super Rugby sides over the past four years.


Just look at the number of empty seats at the games here in New Zealand. You'd be lucky to see a stadium even half full.

This is when reality comes to bite.

The perception of poor crowd sizes can be put down to stadium size and the poor health of New Zealand's parasitic siblings, rather than the actual size of crowds in Aotearoa.


Bordeaux were second with 23,880, followed by the Lions with 23,606.

The Hurricanes ranked 12th with an average crowd of 16,901, while the Highlanders (14,751), Crusaders (14,448), Chiefs (13,527) and Blues (13,128) were 19th, 20th, 23rd and 25th respectively.

Seven of the top 10 were European sides, with average attendances over 17,000 each week.

Rugby is in good health in the northern hemisphere. Their competition might not have the same excitement and talent as Super Rugby, in New Zealand at least, but crowds are excited nonetheless.

PURPOSE BUILT STADIUMS

What's more, the north has stadiums that are purpose-built for rugby and suit the level of competition, and at the level at which they are playing.

This, again, plays into the idea of perception versus reality.

Watch an average game of European rugby, and the size of the crowd is always impressive. It's the lack of empty seats which is easy to see, compared to a game in the southern hemisphere.


In England, stadiums average 75.75 per cent capacity. In France, that number is 73.5 per cent, and in the Pro14 it's 62.17 per cent.

Super Rugby in 2017 had an average capacity of just 38.2 per cent for games. More than 60 per cent of a stadium was empty, and there is only so much creative camera angles can do to make that appear full.

If you take stadium capacity into account when calculating the attendance figures, it paints a different picture of which clubs are succeeding in rugby.

La Rochelle, for instance, boast an average crowd of 14,891, which is the 18th highest on average in world rugby.

But with those figures, their home stadium of Stade Marcel-Deflandre is 93 per cent full for every game. Just over 1000 seats are spare, and they'd be hard to spot.


Glasgow Warriors are the closest to capacity week in, week out, with their Scotstoun Stadium 98 per cent full on average.

But with a capacity of 7,351, that includes temporary additional seating, their average crowd figure of just 7,186 puts them 50th of the teams in the top four rugby leagues.

This is where New Zealand's stadiums look terrible during a Super Rugby encounter, as despite the impressive crowd sizes on a global scale, the stadiums are near empty.

In Christchurch, the Crusaders can boast an average attendance of 77.68 per cent in 2017, which is the highest in all Super Rugby.

The next best was the Stormers, with their massive average crowd of 28,700 taking up just 55.3 per cent of Newlands Stadium in Cape Town.


The Chiefs, at 52.03 per cent full on average, were the only other Super Rugby side with a crowd size above half of their capacity.

Westpac Stadium was 48.99 per cent full, Forsyth Barr was 47.97 per cent full and Eden Park was just 26.26 per cent full during your average week of the 2017 Super Rugby season.

To think, most of those numbers are improvements from 2015.

At that level, the Blues have the fourth-emptiest stadium of teams in the top four leagues, as Super Rugby sides take up the bottom nine spots.

The Bulls and Jaguares couldn't fill 20 per cent of their stadiums, while the Kings were 20.49 per cent full in 2017.

The final thread to the crowd size debate is that of the surrounding region.


Europe has a total population of 741 million people. You don't have to convince a high percentage of the population to attend your game in order to get a good crowd.

But not all regions can boast a large population base to help them attract fans, in Europe or not.

By breaking down the population of the urban area around a club team, it shows just how impressive, or not, their crowd numbers might be.

Take Pau, the club Conrad Smith and Colin Slade recently played for, based in the Pyrenees.

The surrounding population is just 100,000, and yet the club have an average attendance of 11,146 to each game.

Essentially, more than 10 per cent of the local population is turning out to each Pau home game.

With a stadium seating 18,000, you could say Pau struggle to fill their Stade du Hameau home, but when you consider the surrounding population those figures are mighty impressive.

Only four rugby teams attract around 10 per cent of the surrounding population to home games, with Brive, Bath and Gloucester also above that mark.

Bath have hit the jackpot, in that they have such a big supporter base that they often have to take game away from their home ground, with a capacity of 14,500, in order to fill bigger stadiums.

Despite that, they reached 96 per cent capacity in 2017, with an average of 18,490 fans per game.

The Highlanders are the top side in Super Rugby when it comes to attracting the local population to games.

If you take Dunedin alone, the Highlanders attract 11.73 per cent of the population to each home match.

Taking into account the rest of Otago as well, they still attract 6.58 per cent of the regional population, which is almost double that of their nearest Super Rugby rivals, the Hurricanes.

The Hurricanes get 3.35 per cent of the Wellington regional population along on match day, while the Chiefs (2.94 per cent) and Crusaders (2.68 per cent) aren't far off.

All four clubs are in the top 20 in world rugby for attracting people to their games, with the Brumbies (2.45 per cent) the only other side to make that list.

For the Blues, less than one per cent of Aucklanders turn up to matches, good enough for 33rd, which dwarfs some clubs at the bottom of the list.

Take the Sunwolves, for instance, who get 0.03 per cent of the massive Tokyo population to home games. They have an average crowd of 11,646, and a population in the Tokyo metropolitan area of 38 million.

WHERE TO FROM HERE?

For New Zealand, the results are strong without being outstanding.

The big dogs at New Zealand Rugby are unlikely to be happy with stadiums that are half full and lacking in atmosphere, but they'll be smart enough to realise that things aren't exactly bad.

What is of concern, however, is the performance of the Australian and South African franchises, that are bleeding fans.

Motivating their audience to return and watch games live won't be an overnight thing, and may be a consequence of New Zealand's success.

Part of the excitement of watching sport is not knowing what will happen, but over the past few years it has been increasingly obvious that this competition is a battle between the Lions and the New Zealand franchises. 

Where's the excitement in that?

It's not that it isn't worth watching, because the quality of rugby has never been higher. It's the motivation to watch in person has gone.


Television viewership figures for Super Rugby in 2017 are impressive. 

At the end of the regular season, New Zealand's cumulative viewing figures hit 10,352,800. South Africa led the way at 26,625,585, which is understandable given their population base, but disappointing was Australia which had just 4,236,000 viewers for Super Rugby.



Taking in the Argentinian and Japanese fan base, the total cumulative figures were 42,561,637 for Super Rugby, and if you include European viewers through Sky UK and Canal+ in France, more than 50 million people watched Super Rugby in 2017.

Those numbers showed 370,370 people were tuning in to watch the average Super Rugby game.

The Aviva Premiership, meanwhile, averaged about 375,000 viewers per game for the 2016-17 season, the most it had gained since BT Sport took over coverage of the competition.

Super Rugby, clearly, is a great product that attracts impressive viewer numbers.

The only real area of concern is New Zealand's parasitic partners. How can Super Rugby nurture them and get them back to full health?

by Stuff.co.nz

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Feb 2019, 23:08
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24 Feb 2019, 23:08#2

To be expected from Stuff.   The ignorant fool who wrote this is not only a fool but a real village idiot.

First of all the parasites made the competition financially  - which is the only thing that funds NZ rugby.   The television rights paid the billions needed t o keep the sport alive.   And who pays NZ  most through TV rights - definitely not the local TV system.  Most of their key money flows through SA to them.   Without that income NZ Rugby will be bankrupt in two years time.

I think that is why NZ cannot play hardball about Super Rugby.   If SA walks out and  for that reason have easier opposition from a new competition in NH counties - rugby in NZ and Australia will self-destruct financially.            

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Feb 2019, 23:15
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24 Feb 2019, 23:15#3

If I remember correctly. If the SA teams pulled out of Super rugby after the current deal, NZ rugby would be bankrupt within two years. I need to review the numbers again, but it was something along those lines. 

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
25 Feb 2019, 09:33
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25 Feb 2019, 09:33#4

Who cares about your review?

You are a deluded moron ... someone needs to sit you down and teach you the basics of the sport.


We are (SA) to blame for the state of Super Rugby ... or at least we've played a major role in what we see today. The only country keeping this competition afloat is New Zealand. Their standard of rugby is vastly superior to the rest of us ... so why exactly are you happy to see them collapse?

Instead of pointing fingers at them, let us get our own house in order ... and my dear Poepies, going north isn't going to be the miracle cure you're making it out to be.

We will still have the same issues we have now ... in fact ... man y more of our talented boys will be snatched up by northern franchises because of the exposure.

Try to wake up will you ...




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sharkbokCaptain23,252 posts
25 Feb 2019, 11:09
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25 Feb 2019, 11:09#5

The Northern Hemisphere is going to stop playing in winter, which will improve their game. The conditions are so bad here that it requires more kicking. 

With more and more money in the game here, more and more Southern Hemisphere players will move here. 

With the seasons now at the same time, I expect more SA teams will leave SuperRugby.  I would not mind combining with the Northern Hemisphere, except they will just loot more of SA players. If there was some type of contract structure to prevent them poaching all the good player- or if salaries were somehow capped- it might make it fairer .

I might actually watch Pro14 if the Cheetas and Kings were not totally useless. 

If somehow SA teams could have the same type of private investment, maybe it would convince more players to stay. The only appealing thing about Super rugby is playing the New Zealand teams. Australia has become so poor nowadays.

SuperRugby has too much travel, and this might also be impacting on the player's performances.

Singapore and Buenos Aires have added even more travel, for only one match. 

Another option is to reduce SuperRugby back to a Super 10, or Super12- and have 2 or 3 SA teams.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Feb 2019, 12:45
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25 Feb 2019, 12:45#6

Herr Drache, you keep straining your little self and keep getting caught with your pants down. Who wanted to change the way the game was played? Eliminate kicking, de-power the set pieces, tweak the rules to give the attacking team the edge? Who was it? Australia? Yes. New Zealand was also in favour of this. The brand of rugby played is directly attributed to them. Not us. In fact, between 2008 and 2019 there were discussions on possibly eliminating the breakdown altogether. All from Australia. They see the set pieces and rucks as a hindrance to attacking rugby. They want to eliminate it as much as possible so the ball can be run back and forth and many tries can be scored. Fewer tries is boring. Tense tactical battles of physical rugby are boring to them. So they want rugby union to become Rugby league. What do we see now? Embarrassingly inadequate fundamentals across the board. Quick rucking games where battles at the breakdown are vastly beneath the NH. We have half backs who can't control the game beyond sniping or passive running. If this is what you call quality rugby, you have no standards. Super Rugby is not worth staying in south. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Feb 2019, 12:52
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25 Feb 2019, 12:52#7

AO

You can believe what you want - by 2008 rugby was not a sport attracting spectators because it was dead dull.   The NH teams trumpeted that as well and they supported the amendments all out.  Making rugby a more attractive sport to watch was in their minds as well. 

So for the rest you are on cloud 9 again - totally deluded from anything called reason.   Carry on - you are getting funnier by the minute.   LMAO

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Feb 2019, 12:54
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25 Feb 2019, 12:54#8

No they did not support the ELVs.

As per the rest? We already covered the deteriorating defences and set pieces last year. You ended up crying and writing a goodbye post. Yes very funny. Remember the good old days? 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Feb 2019, 13:59
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25 Feb 2019, 13:59#9

Listen dimness - wat you called deteriorating defense factually resulted in more tackles than ever before made on all levels of the game.     When that lot of BS was exposed you started  a  diversion from what you wrote by finding fake reasons to support what you wrote.

I never left the site - I just stop commenting on your repetitive BS,   I realized that I should in future not stop making comments on postings delusional postings in future.   Since then I hesitated  after a request from ED and realized that the site is suffering because of personal attacks and stupid rugby comments by some and decided to point out where nonsense are stated on site by some of our members. 

No AO - you keep on making a silly billy of yourself and it really is time you grow up and become sensible/    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Feb 2019, 14:09
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25 Feb 2019, 14:09#10

You omitted 127 games of tackle data to "prove" tackling was more efficient. You were exposed. Once exposed, you turned immediately on Mozart. 

As I showed last year, tackling efficency has been steadily falling for the past eight years in both the Rugby Championship and Super rugby. 

Yes, you penned a goodbye post and then hung around lamenting how much better the site was without you. As for personal attacks? You, Rumple and 2CC are the very epicentre of personal attacks. Each and every time. Who has called for members to be banned and/or boycotted? You embarrass yourself. 

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
01 Mar 2019, 14:48
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01 Mar 2019, 14:48#11

The article is biased to favour SH rugby.

And make a dire situation look better.


The figures about the english league seem to refer to the domestic market alone. It does not include other markets (while for SR every single market is included)

It also dismisses the european competitions clubs are involved in.

The french league is left aside, any number about their viewership.

What about the number of games played in SR compared to the NH leagues. And the incidence on the averaging.

The point about stadiums is a dismissal: way better to work at full capacity rather than work at half capacity, the upkeep costs and stuff...


Situation is gross for SH rugby. Nobody watches rugby in Japan nor Argentina. Every single white person in SA looks as if they are commanded to watch rugby. 26 M is crazy stuff. Even though 26M of nothing still is nothing.

Kolmanskop incoming.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
01 Mar 2019, 14:50
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01 Mar 2019, 14:50#12

No number about SH watching NH rugby.

Rugby needs a Trump, a guy would ask the tough questions: 7M in Europe watching SR, how many in SH watching european tournaments.

That is unfair.

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