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Swiel to Sharks

Started by WPXV13 REPLIES1,378 VIEWS· 31 Oct 2013, 19:51
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WPXVRookie27 posts
31 Oct 2013, 19:51
#1
31 Oct 2013, 19:51#1

Rumour is that Swiel has left WP and signed for the Sharks. Jake White working away quietly .

 

Huge fuck up by WP and Stormers.

 

The shit van Aswegen and Coleman have had too much backing.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
31 Oct 2013, 19:59
#2
31 Oct 2013, 19:59#2
Thanks for this update WPXV, we gratefully accept Timo Swiel. He was dropping of the radar at WP, although your backline is small enough as it is with wee dejong, Aplon and Kolbe. 
WP
WPXVRookie27 posts
31 Oct 2013, 20:08
#3
31 Oct 2013, 20:08#3

No problem mate.

 

He was 4th choice at 20 and instead of sitting on the bench, he was getting regular game time in a record breaking WP u21 team that won the Currie Cup.

 

But he was still very much in the picture for the first team and got a short debut this currie cup. Allister and Fleck have often mentioned him to the media also.

 

They say he has been badly advised.

 

Not sure how he is going to fit in at the Sharks but without doubt White's Bishops connection played a role. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Oct 2013, 21:44
#4
31 Oct 2013, 21:44#4

 Very good news for me - a Shark supporter.   I am not sure why White would contract Swiel - unless he has other options in mind.   Maybe he wants to Move SP Marais to wing and use Swiel as full back - or maybe e wants him to alternate with Lambie as flyhalf abd Marais at full back.   One of the best ball sense players I have eve seen - so it would be interesting to see how White intends to use him.

 

Likely to be a very important player in the Sharks backline next year.  Whatever he does - a backline of the following would be electric insofar as the Sharks are concerned - expect fire works from them next year in Super 15:-

 

15 Swiel

14 Marais

13 Jordaan

12 Whitehead

11 Mvovo

10 Lambie

  9 Reinach

 

All the above has serious speed and since they play clever games - thy would be hard to contain. 

  

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
31 Oct 2013, 22:14
#5
31 Oct 2013, 22:14#5
 Marais isn't quick enough to play wing, Swiel should stick to Flyhalf.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Oct 2013, 22:37
#6
31 Oct 2013, 22:37#6

Shezza

 

As I said - I am not sure why the Sharks contracted him - because they have already Lambie and SP Marais as flyhalf and full back.   Swiel can play both - matter of fact from what I have seen of him he is really excellent in both positions.  Maybe it is for backing up those two players.

 

The other backline player I have not mentioned is Francois Steyn.   I do not know how he can fit into the backline - since he is rather slow as a center.   Despite all the talk about his performance and all the laurels handed out - if you analyse every time he touched the ball and every tackle he attempted - his tackle count and his ball handling during the game was limited and his work rate on the low side -so what White intents to do with him is also somewhat of a mystery.  Probably put him on a strict diet to get his weight down to about 105 kgs and put him on a speed enhancement programme.  From his early days with the Sharks I always was a strong Steun supporter.   On his return from France he was over-weight and slower than I remembered him.  Despite all the criticism - I hope that he would get really back to his form he had before going to France.  If so he would have an excellent chance to regain his previous form.  

 

Anyway - lets wait and see what happens next year in Super 15.   If Swiel plays - he will be nice and cheap in fantasy selection anyway.  

 

    

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
01 Nov 2013, 10:15
#7
01 Nov 2013, 10:15#7
This is why I hate Coetzee! How many more youngsters must we lose. We are now stuck with Coleman , Kolbe, Carr, aswagen, de jongh, all of who are bloody useless. Swiel should have at least gotten a crack in the curry cup.
But hopefully he will get some good game time under Jake at the sharks. Lets see if jake can do same with the youngsters that he did for the brumbies.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Nov 2013, 12:49
#8
01 Nov 2013, 12:49#8

kingcorn

 

Careful what  you say here - Mozart is not the forgiving oke - his hero and great no 13 - the best in SA at present - is Juan de Jongh.   Since I am past the forgiving stage insofar as Mozart is concerned, I will be frank - the best of that lot you mentioned is Van Awegen - but even he is not anything better than a back up flyhalf -  the rest are not really near even that level.  

 

Thje worst flyhalf I have ever seen in a CC final was Coleman after he came on as a result of the injury to Catrakillis.

 

Kolbe is nice to look at and slippery - but at 69 kgs he is way too small to ever play 15 man rugby - he should  be worthwhile in Sevens rugby.  

 

 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Nov 2013, 14:23
#9
01 Nov 2013, 14:23#9
Yep good old Coetzee at his very best again. Playing Coleman ahead of Swiel was a joke, good on the lad for moving on. He is far better than Zeilanga
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
01 Nov 2013, 17:44
#10
01 Nov 2013, 17:44#10

 I don't rate kolbe at all. He will have his arse handed to him next year. Same league as the Rose brothers.  
Soon there will not be any good youngsters left. I don't know why Coetzee didn't get fired. Finishing 7 th is simply not good enough. Especially since finishing first last year but choked again in the semi's. Coetzee only has jakes 2007 coaching manual and nothing else. Speaking of, the boks back line was pretty shit back then.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Sept 2018, 17:07
#11
25 Sept 2018, 17:07#11
Another classic....man going back through these posts is funnier than a Will Ferrell movie. Look at Liarmike's fantasy backline....hahaha ....flops incorporated.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2018, 17:23
#12
25 Sept 2018, 17:23#12

And what happened?   White picked Far Fransie and he on his own destroyed the Sharks backline in 2014 Super Rugby.   The center that is not a center and a flyhalf who cannot decide on anything but handing over ball possession to the opposition - setting a record in that which will stand for the next 50 years,

End result White got fired by the Sharks after a year because of Fatso.

E njoy   

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Sept 2018, 18:37
#13
25 Sept 2018, 18:37#13

Frans carried that team in 2014. That was where they were undone, by the passengers. Lambie and Jordaan let the team down.

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
25 Sept 2018, 20:24
#14
25 Sept 2018, 20:24#14

Here is the 2014 history of the Sharks in Supers...I have high-lighted, Frans Steyn, Pat Lambie, Tim Swiel and Fred Zelinga.


Judge for yourselves...there are some contadictions by posters




Sharks   31–16    Bulls      Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban             

 

                19:10     Try: Paul Jordaan Try 10'

Cobus Reinach Try 21'

Odwa Ndungane Try 40'

Patrick Lambie Try 83'

Con: Patrick Lambie Kick 40' (1/4)

Pen: Patrick Lambie Kick 4', 32', 47' (3/3)

François Steyn (0/2)

Cards: Jean Deysel Temporarily suspended from 66' to 77' 66' to 77'         Report[11]

 

22 February 2014              Sharks   27–9      Hurricanes          Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban             

 

                17:05     Try: Willem Alberts Try 20'

Lwazi Mvovo Try 65'

Con: Patrick Lambie Kick 21' (1/2)

Pen: Patrick Lambie Kick 6', 43', 58', 78', 81' (5/5)

                Report[27]

 

8 March 2014     Sharks   37–23    Lions     Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban             

 

                19:10     Try: Paul Jordaan Try 8'

Cobus Reinach Try 38'

Odwa Ndungane Try 50'

Marcell Coetzee Try 80'

Con: François Steyn Kick 9', 39', 51', 81' (4/4)

Pen: François Steyn Kick 21', 24', 34' (3/3)

Cards: Ryan Kankowski Temporarily suspended from 64' to 74' 64' to 74'                Report[60]

Scoreboard[61]                 Try: Faf de Klerk Try 64'

Deon van Rensburg Try 68'

Con: Marnitz Boshoff Kick 65', 69' (2/2)

Pen: Marnitz Boshoff Kick 12', 16', 37' (3/3)

Cards: Corné Fourie Yellow card 74'         Attendance: 28,158

Referee: Jaco Peyper

Bye/s: Chiefs, Highlanders, Waratahs

Round 5

 

15 March 2014   Sharks   35–20    Reds      Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban             

 

                17:05     Try: Willem Alberts Try 27'

Dale Chadwick Try 77'

Con: Patrick Lambie Kick 28', 78' (2/2)

Pen: François Steyn Kick 10', 37' (2/2)

Patrick Lambie Kick 19', 23', 26', 34', 59' (5/5)

                Report[74]

Scoreboard[75]                 Try:

 

22 March 2014   Bulls      23–19    Sharks   Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria             

 

                19:10     Try: Jacques du Plessis Try 48'

JJ Engelbrecht Try 53'

Con: Jacques-Louis Potgieter Kick 49', 54' (2/2)

Pen: Jacques-Louis Potgieter Kick 15' (1/1)

Handré Pollard Kick 79' (1/1)

Drop: Jacques-Louis Potgieter Kick 22' (1/2)

Handré Pollard (0/1)

                Report[88]

Scoreboard[89]                 Try: Willem Alberts Try 8'

Con: Tim Swiel Kick 9' (1/1)

Pen: François Steyn Kick 37', 40', 67', 70' (4/5)

Drop: François Steyn (0/2)

 

29 March 2014   Sharks   32–10    Waratahs            Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban             

 

                17:05     Try: Marcell Coetzee Try 50'

Keegan Daniel Try 72'

Con: Fred Zeilinga Kick 51', 73' (2/2)

Pen: Fred Zeilinga Kick 10', 17', 22', 65', 80' (5/5)

François Steyn Kick 38' (1/2)

                Report[100]

Scoreboar

12 April 2014      Lions     12–25    Sharks   Ellis Park Stadium, Johannesburg            

 

                19:10     Pen: Marnitz Boshoff Kick 19', 33', 58', 65' (4/4)

Drop: Marnitz Boshoff (0/1)

                Report[126]

Scoreboard[127]              Try: Lwazi Mvovo Try 67'

Con: François Steyn Kick 68' (1/1)

Pen: Fred Zeilinga Kick 4', 6' (2/3)

François Steyn Kick 48', 51', 63', 72' (4/6)

Drop: François Steyn (0/2)

Cards: Jannie du Plessis Temporarily suspended from 18' to 28' 18' to 2

 

19 April 2014      Sharks   19–8      Cheetahs             Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban             

 

                15:00     Try: Jean Deysel Try 71'

Con: François Steyn Kick 72' (1/1)

Pen: Tim Swiel Kick 32' (1/3)

François Steyn Kick 46', 51', 62' (3/4)

Drop: François Steyn (0/1)

                Report[136]

Scoreboard[13

 

25 April 2014      Sharks   18–34    Highlanders       Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban             

 

                19:10     Pen: Tim Swiel Kick 7', 13', 21', 40', 44', 50' (6/8)

Drop: François Steyn (0/1)

                Report[144]

Scoreboard[145]              Try:

 

2 May 2014         Rebels 16–22    Sharks   AAMI Park, Melbourne                

 

                19:40     Try: Patrick Leafa Try 70'

Con: Jason Woodward Kick 71' (1/1)

Pen: Jason Woodward Kick 20', 28', 55' (3/3)

                Report[154]

Scoreboard[155]              Try: JP Pietersen Try 64'

Con: François Steyn Kick 65' (1/1)

Pen: François Steyn Kick 21', 26', 30', 35', 38' (5

 

10 May 2014       Brumbies            16–9      Sharks   GIO Stadium, Canberra                

 

                19:40     Try: Sam Carter Try 63'

Con: Christian Lealiifano Kick 64' (1/1)

Pen: Christian Lealiifano Kick 2', 37', 48' (3/6)

Nic White (0/1)

                Report[172]

Scoreboard[173]              Pen: François Steyn Kick 15', 45', 72' (3/6)

 

17 May 2014       Crusaders            25–30    Sharks   AMI Stadium, Christchurch        

 

                19:35     Try: Colin Slade Try 13'

Con: Colin Slade Kick 14' (1/1)

Pen: Colin Slade Kick 17', 31', 48', 59', 65', 74' (6/9)

                Report[182]

Scoreboard[183]              Try: S'bura Sithole Try 9'

Cobus Reinach Try 42'

Kyle Cooper Try 76'

Con: François Steyn Kick 10', 43' (2/2)

Tim Swiel Kick 77' (1/1)

Pen: François Steyn Kick 40', 52' (2/3)

Tim Swiel Kick 69' (1/1)

Drop: François Steyn (0/1)

Cards: Jean Deysel Red card 17'

Willem Alberts Temporarily suspended from 64' to 74' 64' to 74'

 

23 May 2014       Blues     23–29    Sharks   QBE Stadium, Albany    

 

                19:35     Try: Luke Braid Try 43'

Tevita Li Try 67'

Con: Simon Hickey Kick 43' (1/1)

Ihaia West Kick 68' (1/1)

Pen: Simon Hickey Kick 8', 18' (2/3)

Ihaia West Kick 73' (1/1)

                Report[191]

Scoreboard[192]              Try: Bismarck du Plessis Try 11'

Cobus Reinach Try 55'

Con: François Steyn Kick 12', 56' (2/2)

Pen: François Steyn Kick 6', 34', 51' (3/4)

SP Marais Kick 70' (1/1)

Drop: François Steyn Kick 27' (1/1)

Cards: Jannie du Plessis Temporarily suspended from 42' to 53' 42' to 53'

François Steyn Temporarily suspended from 62' to 72' 62' to 72'

 

31 May 2014       Sharks   19–21    Stormers             Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban             

 

                19:10     Try: Cobus Reinach Try 39'

Con: François Steyn Kick 40' (1/1)

Pen: François Steyn Kick 3', 10', 29', 48' (4/6)

Drop: François Steyn (0/1)

Cards: Marcell Coetzee Temporarily suspended from 63' to 73' 63' to 73'                Report[217]

 

5 July 2014          Cheetahs             27–20    Sharks   Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein         

 

                19:10     Try: Torsten van Jaarsveld Try 8'

Philip van der Walt Try 33'

Lood de Jager Try 49'

Con: Johan Goosen Kick 9', 34', 49' (3/3)

Pen: Johan Goosen Kick 3', 56' (2/2)

Cards: Johan Goosen Yellow card 80'       Report[239]

Scoreboard[240]              Try: Cobus Reinach Try 22'

Bismarck du Plessis Try 74'

Con: Tim Swiel Kick 23', 75' (2/2)

Pen: Tim Swiel Kick 19', 27' (2/3)

 

12 July 2014        Stormers             10–34    Sharks   DHL Newlands, Cape Town        

 

                19:10     Try: Nizaam Carr Try 16'

Con: Kurt Coleman Kick 17' (1/1)

Pen: Kurt Coleman Kick 36' (1/2)

                Report[255]

Scoreboard[256]              Try: Paul Jordaan Try 38'

S'bura Sithole Try 76'

Stefan Ungerer Try 81'

Con: François Steyn Kick 39', 77' (2/2)

Fred Zeilinga (0/1)

Pen: François Steyn Kick 4', 22', 25', 28', 45' (5/6)

Cards: Willem Alberts Temporarily suspended from 15' to 26' 15' to 26'

 

19 July 2014        Sharks   31–27    Highlanders       Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban             

 

                17:05     Try: Marcell Coetzee Try 13'

Bismarck du Plessis Try 53'

Tonderai Chavhanga Try 56'

Con: François Steyn Kick 14', 54' (2/3)

Pen: François Steyn Kick 3', 30', 74', 80' (4/5)

                Report[259]

 

26 July 2014        Crusaders            38–6      Sharks   AMI Stadium, Christchurch        

 

                19:35     Try: Kieran Read Try 17'

Nemani Nadolo Try 49'

Willi Heinz Try 65'

Johnny McNicholl Try 70'

Matt Todd Try 78'

Con: Dan Carter Kick 18', 66' (2/5)

Pen: Dan Carter Kick 3', 28', 31' (3/4)

                Report[261]

Scoreboard[262]              Pen: Patrick Lambie Kick 22', 35' (2/4)

 

 


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