GTGonzo the Great
Club Pro560 posts
GTGonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
03 Aug 2014, 02:17#2
I never fell for any of these myths, but to show my humility I'll give myself a point for backing Pienaar at 10 in a moment of weakness too.You know, I dont blame people for hyping a really new player but when they get tested and fail and you get a better feel for their strengths and weaknesses, then youd think people will adjust their views but they get even more deeply entrenched in the fantasy and starting lying to everyone... but not as much as they lie to themselves. Thats when I start questioning people.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2014, 02:38#3
Why these chaps prefer hype and self delusion to rational analysis beats me. Still if some of these hypesters report a score it should be entertaining.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2014, 07:50#4
The real rugby dunce on this site is Mozart. He is more delusional than anybody else. Having gone through his campaign against certain players - he is now quoting others as being delusional.
Anybody who thinks Morne is an international standard flyhalf, Matfield is physically up to standard as a lock and Alberts is a good enough all round loosie must be delusional. Rational never comes into the picture in such circumstances. Goosen always has been and always will be a better flyhalf than useless Morne and that will be clear as daylight sooner rather than later.
Anybody saying players like Francois Steyn is a prospect as a 10 - or for that matter as a 12 - based on performance is totally irrational.
By the way - I see the Bulls have a Under 21 player called Francois Steyn - he is more likely to be Bok material than your favourite is at present.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2014, 08:03#5
I score you as a 10... Seven players, two bonus pointa and an avatar. A very stupid spotter of talent...a master in dunce.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2014, 11:52#6
You are the master dunce by all accounts. A full count is more likely in your case 0 especially since you tried to denigrate so many players Meyer has in fact selected and comes up with a lot of dead wood as well.
You are a real liar. I never punted JJ and Taute, I wrote that Taute showed signs of improvement. I mentiond that pieterse is not a 13 and that De Allende was the first choice. Jordaan was an option as an alternative if De Allende is not available. Definitely not in my squad as a first choice.
I had serious reservations about Coenie and never supported Kolisi, Neither did I actually support Marcel van der Merwe at all. The Van der Merwe I referred to and put it very clearly was the loosehead of the Lions.
So where was I wrong - Jordaaaqn (just remotely so), Lewies and Goosem. All three are better than your pis-poor favoirtes - two of whom made the cut.
Your count all along has been the following:-
Juan de Jongh and Francois Steyn. (2 positions)
The players you denigrated to the point of hysteria were
De Allende, Serfontein, Reinach, De Jager, Malherbe, Lambie
On your count - you are a 9 without any bonus points.
The dead wood selections - who are bound to fail in the RC are Alberts, Matfeld, Botha and Morne. I give you a quarter point for each of those 4 - no bonus points needed, no avatar either and voila - there is the real 10 out of 10 dunce candidate.
GTGonzo the Great
Club Pro560 posts
GTGonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
03 Aug 2014, 14:13#7
Mikey Goosen has done NOTHING! 3 tests and 3 failures. He was never great in 2012 and only now are some starting to see past the hype. You are really way off the pace here, Pollard and Boshoff are the next best, not Lambie or Goosen. They are history and once Lambie blows it at fullback his days are over entirely.
Morné has the second best points average in Bok history at 11.79 points per game! And with 56 tests, not the 13 of De Beer at #1 spot. Lambie is miles off with 2.03 per game. And Goosen comes below that at 2.00 per game. They are way off Morné. You will say that Goosen has less games but wait, that only makes it easier to get a higher %. But if we take Morné's first four tests only and see what he did in the same time he comes in at 5.5, taking into consideration he started his career in the final ten minutes of the first Lions test at fullback and made a crucial try saving tackle! He already did more than Goosen! If you take Morné's first 4 tests at 10 he comes in at 14.75 points per test. And he is the fastest player to 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 points in Bok history! So you say these bozos are far better than Morné but in what way? I can already tell you right now than Morné has made 6 try saving tackles in his career at least to date.
So dont come with this garbage that Gooseb is tones better because he already cost us TWO All Black tests and hasn't landed ONE successful tackle. He had one lucky break against Australia and every other attacking play ended in failure. Even sending hospital passes and missing runners in space like Taute inside the All Black 22 running in Nonu's blind spot screaming for the ball!
And as for Lambie... 2.03 in 32 tests despite having the reigns on entire tours is a shocking disgrace. Werner Greef beats him at 2.82 for gods sake!
Man Mozart is right these guys are rugby dunces.
03 Aug 2014, 14:27#8
Sun-Tzu author of Art of Lying / Bozo the Stupid. Your rugby opinion is the most insanely idiotic thing I've ever heard, at no point during your comments on this site can you consider yourself rugby smart and everyone is dumber having read them. You are the most moronic poster I've ever come across, may God have mercy on your soul.
GTGonzo the Great
Club Pro560 posts
GTGonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
03 Aug 2014, 14:32#9
Cheezer, I know you would jump in, like a pig into a trough. But yet again you show you dont the smarts yo. I make no claims at being the best poster but I add more rugby debate than you do. You just sit on your high horse with a pole up your ass spitting insults at everyone. My post blew your little "If anyone DARES like Morné they are da stoopidest widdle idiots ever because I say so *sucks thumb in anger" to smithereens. But you cant counter with facts so you just go the rotten troll root. At least guys like Mozart try to add something to create a debate, you add ZIP. Now be a good little cheeze ball and roll yourself into the naughty corner for being an arrogant prick.
03 Aug 2014, 14:56#10
Sun-Tzu author of Art of Lying, Bozo the Stupid. I would debate with you but you lie in order to make you sound clever.
Calling me arrogant? bit hypocritical if you read your first post on this thread. But hey, I have something to be arrogant about.
GTGonzo the Great
Club Pro560 posts
GTGonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
03 Aug 2014, 14:59#11
yeah? your goosen avatar? hahahahahaha! Arrogant is calling someone stupid when you have nothing to offer but insults. I posted the stats big boy, now what you got to debunk it? Let me guess... "mozart arz da worstest playor in da modern gamez n if yu dun agree yu arz a stupid bastard coz i sayz sow". bwahahahaha! game set and match cheezer.
03 Aug 2014, 15:12#12
I have better grammar, vocabulary and spelling than you so you attempting to make me sound stupid in your quotes is a bit contradictory.
I know what arrogant means, I'm educated whereas you I'm not so sure.
I don't take statistics into consideration as they miss too much context, I've said this a thousand times so do us a favour and remember that so we don't have to waste time addressing this. Also when you argue with Mike about Frans and Morne Steyn why don't you take into account the statistics then? Double standards because it doesn't support your argument, pathetic and bias. Why don't you mention Morne's latest stats? I wonder what his kicking percentage is like for the past 3 years...
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2014, 15:13#13
Bonzo
One cannot debate anything with you about Morne Steyn - because you go ballistic about Goosen costing the Boks two tests against the AB's without regard to the factual situation - how many tests have Steyn cost us. The last three AB tests Morne played against the AB's he was piss poor every test and cost us dearly. He was dropped after the Dunedin test because he was a bad failure. in that test as well.
He made a major hash of the Eden park test and was a disaster in the Ellis Park test.
Those are factual cases - but how many points in tests did he make - as against how many potential points we lost because of having a dud pivot in our backline? Have you ever thought about that one - obviously not. Morne has one asset and one asset only - he is a reliable goal kicker with an 80% success rate.
He also have an average missed tackle ratio of circa 20% and his kicking game out of hand has deteriorated to the level of silliness. That mainly stem from his inability to properly read games and make decisions based on the reading and has to be told in advance what to do - with resultant flops being made by him.
If Morne was really a top flyhalf - like you make him out to be - would he not have been played regularly by Stade Francais as their starting flayhalf? That is a point you never wants to answer. He is a good goal kicker - nothing else whatsoever. Outside f gal kicking he is a second tier club player - nothing else.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2014, 18:13#14
I get Cheezer with six players....two bonus points.....and an avatar that looks stupider by the day, but is still up there for all to see. Nine points....he is an honours graduate in applied dunce.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2014, 18:29#15
Mozart
Still not up to your mark of 10 out of 10 in the dunce stakes. You do not need to go any further - you are the perfect dunce.
03 Aug 2014, 18:55#16
Moz, the 2007 World Cup team isn't going to win us the 2015 World Cup. When will you get that through your thick skull.
Also it's quite funny because atleast we're brave enough to back players when no one know's them, whereas you're too cowardly to do so and wait until their established. It's also quite embarrassing how you make it out as if you've always supported them.
04 Aug 2014, 01:10#18
£38,000, might want to convert that into dollars because you even admitted that was more than you were earning at 27.
Say's the person who wants the 2007 RWC team, supports Morne and Frans Steyn as well as De Jong.....
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2014, 01:31#19
Okay 38000...I can convert it into dollars if you wish. Is this your claim to fame?
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Aug 2014, 16:45#22
Mozart
Jordaan is at present ten times the center Francois Steyn is - go and look at their stats and see for yourself the difference.
You are the worse player performance assessor I have ever seen. You are elading the dunce cap by a mile - you are shown up badly and that is a fact. I have given your calculation and it is spot on - not even bonus points required.
I will summarize it again:-
* Three non-selected players = 3* Six denigrating selected players = 6* Four flops at 1/4 points each = 1
That means 10 out of 10 with the greatest of ease and without bonus points as well.
04 Aug 2014, 16:46#23
You girls are so funny! Shezza, are you and Moz really comparing who is better based on what you earn? Fucken really? Well here is a thought, Jacob Zuma just had upgrades worth R250,000,000 on his house! He must therefore be much better than both of you! After all, he he earns nine hundred and thirty nine million, three thousand and sixty thousand per month!
On the actual topic, I backed Goosen, but he has just not been the same player since his injury last year. I'll take a point.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2014, 16:58#26
Oh boy we are back to Vegamite are we?
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Aug 2014, 16:59#27
Saffex
Moz is likely to be on the Trans-Siberian train from Moscow to Vladivostok - it takes three weeks and he will then have an excuse why he was absent after the RC.
04 Aug 2014, 17:54#29
Hey Moz, if what you say is true, how does that qualify you to comment on rugby? That is right, it neither does nor doesn't, so why bring it up? I am a genius on guitar and have an uber hot wife, both things I am very proud of, but they still have no bearing whatsoever on rugby, therefore they are of no relevance here.
I respect your commentary on rugby, weather I agree with it or not, but this whole my income is better than yours thing is just stupid.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2014, 19:32#31
Blue, Moffie is as innocent as they come, don't pick on the old man
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2014, 19:33#32
Shame Davie does it still hurt.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Aug 2014, 19:43#33
Mike, have you been on that Trans siberian trip? What time of the year is best and how much for a ticket. That trip is on my bucket list!
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Aug 2014, 19:46#34
PS, I'm sure they have wifi on that train these days.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2014, 20:05#35
Moffie given how old you are, you must ache all over??
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2014, 20:31#36
I'm 67 as I attested last week I do ache occasio naly ...but at least I'm not fat, stupid and removed from the Bar.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Aug 2014, 20:34#37
I had hopes for Goosen but never punted him. Same for de Jongh and Marnitz Boshoff. But then I had my reservations about Eben as well and look how that turned out. I think we can do better than Guthro and Matfield and I was never a huge Morne fan. I do however concede that we don't have a clear replacement for him. We are stuck with him until someone better comes along and it ain't Bambie.
04 Aug 2014, 20:42#38
You are the ultimate snob aren't you Moffie, you brought up my earning not me so don't try playing that game.
Bluebok, shut up pal. You misread the comments, in no way shape or form have I tried to prove that I have more rugby knowledge than someone else based on my income per year.
04 Aug 2014, 21:30#40
Yes it did happen, on another thread, so why are you bringing it up here in an attempt to mock me? Jealous?
