TASanalytics video on the TMO and ref in the Italy game

After the Franco incident we have Moodie being tackled in the air, Italy 5 hitting Eskom with the shoulder. Both incidents I pointed out on the live thread.

But listen to the TMO and ref chat about them.

Moodie is tackled in the air - that's illegal. Yet the ref says "fair contest" even though the Italian wasn't competing for the ball, he went straight for Moodie. The ref says "no foul play". Here is the applicable law under Section 9 (Foul Play) and specifically under the section labeled Dangerous Play.

9.17 A player must not tackle, charge, pull, push or grasp an opponent whose feet are off the ground.

In other words, fuck this cheating ref. It's not just the TMO, and that is not an honest mistake. It's blatantly ignoring the laws he should know better than anyone.

Then the Eskom hit. Ref asks TMO to confirm there was arms involved. TMO immediately confirms that there was. It is clear there was no arms. This is a blatant lie by the TMO and reminds us again of the Earl cut tackle on Suaalii in the Lions series, where both Earl's arms was on the ground but the ref, with agreement from the TMO, called both arms involved.

Listen to Siya questioning the ref and him saying "the incident you're talking about wasn't clear for us", yet it was abundantly clear that there was a shoulder into Eskom's neck with no attempt to wrap. They spent several minutes reviewing Franco, they spent no time on Italy 5 hitting Eskom.

This is not incompetence, this is blatant cheating.

Unfortunately I can't find footage of the Wales/Japan yellow hit because the Quilters highlights channel refuses to show card incidents for whatever reason.

Because then we can show three very similar incidents in the same weekend all dealt with differently. One permanent red, one yellow, one nothing at all.

What does the Refs get out of cheating??

Do they get payed extra by the WR Cunts who is pushing to rig games??

Or does certain Refs just have the characteristics to cheat and abuse there power??

You get the same thing in Law enforcement.

Some Cops are really there to protect and serve, and others are pure Demons, just looking for chances to Abuse there Power.

So maybe before appointing new Refs and TMO’s, as a standard, they should all go thru Mental Evaluations, to make sure there Characteristics suite this job.

Also send all the existing Refs and TMO‘s thru the same Evaluations, to make sure they are fair and impartial.

I don't know MP, but that final lame excuse "the incident wasn't clear for us" means they didn't want to look at it for whatever reason. Imagine a ref saying that - he, the official in charge of the match, with two others and a TMO with high def super slo-mo, who spent several minutes looking at an incident before but now they don't even look and just go with "it's not clear". Like he was talking about a possible maul try where there are 10 dudes lying on top of the ball instead of one guy hitting another with a shoulder in full view. It's just weird.

Who was the TMO in this match? The tackle on van Staden was actually worse because the player wasn’t dropping….and there wasn’t another player wrapped around his lower body. There was a big target…no excuse for the head contact.

I wouldn't put match fixing past WR. I think they wanted the Italians to take this.

Who was the TMO in this match?

Xavi put them up in the Pomerania thread during the game. Frogs.

My impression is the commentators, many of whom have played the game at high level, do a better job than the TMO’s in making these calls. Trainini was very cavalier on his calls when the Boks were the party offended against.

The tackle technique was perfect; there was no head contact.

However, I still think it meets the red card threshold because at the end of the tackle, Mostert elbows the Italian in the face. It looks like a Muay Thai elbow. It was "possibly" done in error, but it looked more intentional.

I thought the Lomp tackle was a yellow, and surprised he got suspended, even after getting a red.

That is not a Muay Thai Elbow…Honestly Shark, it’s not a Van Damme Movie:)

After the Tackle, the Italian player moves down and it’s then when his chin makes contact with Mostert’s shoulder.

As I said on a different Thread, EVERYTHING, I MEAN EVERYTHING looks way worse, then it actually is, in slow motion replay.

Mostert stood still and stopped the Italian in his tracks. The Italian player runs into Mostert. The main contact was made on his chest.

This was Not harsch at all and if you think that warrants a red card, I have to ask you: Are you a undercover agent for WR?

You played Rugby your yourself, so you should know what a real head contact feels like?

Out of my experience, if a Lock hits you and makes major contact with your head, it feels like a freight train hitting you.

You see stars and do not feel well…usually you are done. The Italian player did not have to go for a HIA and went on his Merrily little way, to keep on playing.

Please explain to me where is the justice in that?? If he was down and out, HIA was necessary, yes then a permanent red would be justified.

Isn’t that the whole purpose of a red card, to protect players from serious injuries??

That's his arm coming round to wrap. All of that happened in a split second and by the time that screen of the arm was taken the main force of impact, which was on the chest/shoulder, was already over. The call should have been as in the Japan/Wales game - chest first, then up to head, yellow. If a card at all. The initial point of impact of the Mostert hit should have been the first mitigation, then the fact that he was bent over at the waist making an effort to lower the contact and that Garbisi (who is shorter to begin with) had his knees bending in the Hooker tackle.

vbn

In rugby it would seem the more tech, the more shambles. Micromanaging a dynamic contact sport, good luck.

The trouble is your boys are going in side on to the tackle. You may claim they are bringing the arm around but it’s leading with the shoulder which makes it worse and dangerous play. That’s why there’s no mitigation as leading with the shoulder is asking for trouble.

Remember Butch James’ tackle technique (or lack thereof!)? He got away with it for a while but always led with the shoulder and flopped his arm around after the event!

And Mpower, whether the Italian went for an HIA or not is irrelevant!! It’s the bad tackling technique that is penalised in the first place and not the result.

Italy made more shoulder hits in that one game than the Boks in the entirety of the tour so far. I haven't seen a Bok tackle like Butch James since Butch James, and he was a dirty little shit.

How else than side on do you go into a tackle? Head first? You go side on because you need to get your head out of the way so you don't get yourself knocked out or your neck bent.

You can make a front on tackle without getting your head in a vulnerable position Pakie. Happens all the time.

I see Mostert got off so good luck to him!

Wouldn’t have been an issue if his right arm wasn’t hanging by his side when contact was made. Lead with the shoulder and you’re asking for trouble!

Yes, Moola...the point is that there was no head contact.

The ref said there was.

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/sous-red-card-rescinded/

"A World Rugby disciplinary committee has reportedly rescinded the red card handed to Franco Mostert during the Springboks’ win over Italy in Turin.

Netwerk24 reports that the committee found that the match officials had erred in issuing the card for his tackle on Italy flyhalf Paolo Garbisi in the Boks’ 32-14 win.

The disciplinary committee has therefore downgraded the 34-year-old Springbok lock’s red card to a yellow.

Mostert’s legal team was reportedly able to prove that there was no contact with the head of the ball-carrier."

Moola, if you come from the side or the front, there is no other legal way to tackle in rugby except with your shoulder.

You lead with your shoulder and wrap your arms around the ball carrier at the same time.

You cannot lead with your neck, knee, or feet.

Mostert‘s wrapping with his arms , could have been better.

Also, a HIA is important if the Head Contact warrants a red Card.

I mean what else is the point, as this Fucked up WR states that these so called stricter calls, is to protect player Welfare ?!

Trainini says he want to show "shoulder to head" contact by number 5 and then proceeds to show no shoulder to head contact, fucking clowns man. He needs to go for more trainining.

The red card against the "Japanese" replacement lock has also been rescinded but after Japan were shafted out of the win and also a better seeding for the WC draw. That referee was Mathew Carly, who I actually like as a referee even if he can be pedantic sometimes. He was talked into a bunker call card when it wasn't even a pen.

Farcical.

I get what your saying MPower but he didn’t wrap at all, that’s my point.

I agree Moola, Mostert didn’t wrap.

I think the Boks need to put in a extra effort, to wrap properly, in there Tackle execution.

Lood de Jagers wrapping, was also non existent.

Lead with the shoulder and you’re asking for trouble!

Spot on Moola