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Team man in Number 10 jersey key to success; Andrew MEHRTENS

Started by Just_win13 REPLIES271 VIEWS· 18 Mar 2014, 08:51
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Mar 2014, 08:51
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18 Mar 2014, 08:51#1

OPINION: There's a confidence bordering on cockiness from the two best No 10s in the New Zealand game at the moment, and that enabled their Super Rugby teams to thrive in the latest round.

It was no coincidence, then, that the Chiefs of Aaron Cruden and the Hurricanes of Beauden Barrett put in the two most impressive performances of the weekend from a Kiwi perspective.

It's great to see Cruden in such confident form, not just handling the captaincy responsibilities but thriving on them.

The Chiefs were able to lift their pace and intensity a level against the Stormers because their first five transferred forward dominance into attacking opportunity.

Barrett played a special game for the Canes too. He sparked many of their best moments with his confidence, assertiveness and individual skill.

He was audacious - and that's what you want from your 10. They need to be cocky on the field and humble off it.

The halfback is not going to change - they're cocky all the time. But the 10 needs to be a team man, because you want him to be the boss.

It's where the challenge lies for the Blues and Crusaders. They've got guys who have every right to be less confident than Cruden and Barrett - because of the experienced leaders in the group - and that results in their teams lacking assertiveness.

Chris Noakes and Simon Hickey are both reasonably new at the Blues and neither yet feel like they're 'the man'. It's the same at the Crusaders. Even though they've got two or three guys who can play there, no one's stamped his mark just yet.

You need your 10 making decisions and backing themselves to turn those decisions into opportunities.

Look at the Sharks who, along with the Chiefs, have been the most impressive side through the opening month.

They've effectively got two playmakers in Patrick Lambie and Francois Steyn, and they both have that swagger that transfers into strong team performances.

Steyn has developed into a consistent, complete player, and he's an ideal complement to the less physically imposing Lambie. Steyn is big. I played with him at Racing Metro in Paris, and I was struck by what a big unit is.

He's got a thumping big boot, and when he wants the ball he'll demand it. Having someone who can belt the ball 70 metres or bang a penalty over from his own half gives a team a lot of confidence, and puts doubt in the mind of the opposition.

The Highlanders face a similar challenge. If Lima Sopoaga can bring that confidence it will help Aaron Smith's game. He struggled last year because it didn't look like he was getting a lot of voice from 10.

I played a lot of footy with Justin Marshall, and I was in his ear the whole time. He knew I was just giving him a default option. My role was to let him know where I was and where I wanted the ball.

You need that understanding. If Marshy wasn't hearing where I was it made it tough for him, and he'd rightly give me a kick up the bum for it.

The French talk about the 'ax' in rugby, which is the axis down the centre of a team - the 2, 8, 9, 10 and 15. The theory is if these guys are playing well and being confident as decision-makers it goes a long way to your team performing well.

If you look around Super Rugby, the teams playing the best rugby have confident, strong operators in those axis positions.

Clearly I'm biased when it comes to the influence of a No 10, but your halfback needs the 10 to be the eyes and mouth of the team.

A confident 10 allows the 9 to be reactive and take opportunities as they present, rather than constantly go looking to spark the attack. He always knows where his 10 is to clear the ball to, but he is ready to pounce when an opening presents.

The Sharks have a very good axis, and not coincidentally they're runaway competition leaders. In Bismarck du Plessis and Ryan Kankowski they've got great experience at hooker and No 8, and their guys at 9-10-15 all play their roles very well.

The other thing the Hurricanes did well was go the same way, same way, and keep attacking that way till they were ready to change the point of attack if needed rather than pre-plan a sweep back down the blind side.

It was a big part of why they were able to open up the Cheetahs so much. They went where they wanted to go, kept going there and then their key decision-makers were able to pick their moments to change direction.

Going the same way makes it difficult for the defence to continually fill in their defensive line, and allows attackers to get excited about the possibility of carrying the ball instead of wondering if they're in the right place within the structure.

Three observations from the weekend:

1 TMO moan, part II: There are still too many patently wrong decisions from upstairs. I'd rather a ref made a bad call on the field rather than go to the bozos in the booth and it take two or three minutes for them to get it wrong anyway. Where's the accountability for these guys? The yellow card decision on Willie Le Roux was a disgrace.

2 Refs need to give the attacking team an advantage, and get defenders' hands off the ball at ruck time. In the old days there was almost a one-second rule where defenders had to allow the attacker to play the ball, and I reckon they should look at that again. The rules now help the defending team slow down the attacking team's ball, which hinders continuity and makes for a stop-start game

3 Don't under-estimate the strength of the Aussie conference. It's going to be a tough one to win, with the Reds, Brumbies and Waratahs all pretty even, and the Force and Rebels capable of knocking over anyone on their day. The team that comes through is going to be travelling pretty well.

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Mar 2014, 08:54
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18 Mar 2014, 08:54#2
Mehrtens is positive about the Lambie & Steyn. So in his opinion it is not either or but both.

"Steyn has developed into a consistent, complete player, and he's an ideal complement to the less physically imposing Lambie."


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hakwaPro4,146 posts
18 Mar 2014, 10:03
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18 Mar 2014, 10:03#3
 Mehrtzy is probably thinking about himself with his comments LOL  . I am glad the days of heavy reliance on the first 5/8 is goneish. Even Stephen Donald couldn't make a mistake when a Team is playing total rugby.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Mar 2014, 10:18
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18 Mar 2014, 10:18#4
 Merthens is of course right about the need to have a no 10 that is assertive and can play a positive roll in the team performance.  That is something we have not had since Honiball - the only thing our flyhalfs was good in was in kicking goals - for the rest they were too poor to play club rugby - leave alone playing on international level.
In theory Merthens is also right about the issue of the Lambie - Steyn combination, but there is a proviso as well.  In his last three games Steyn's performances got progressively worse and his size is not really the issue - it is his performances which need to improve.   Steyn has the physique - but application was pretty hopeless. Without creative and as Merthens put it cocky rugby - Steyn ultimately would not produce the required goods.
 Just one further comment about the following:-
"Steyn is big. I played with him at Racing Metro in Paris, and I was struck by what a big unit is."
Mehrtens must have known Steyn while he and Gurthro Steenkamp were in the middle of a vicous attack on the French food supply chain. When Steyn came back from France he had ballooned into a player of circa 118 kgs - fat, slow and useless.  He is now back to 106 kgs, but he has not regained his speed and is still playing like he did at 118 kgs.       
  
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
18 Mar 2014, 11:41
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18 Mar 2014, 11:41#5
"I am glad the days of heavy reliance on the first 5/8 is goneish. Even Stephen Donald couldn't make a mistake when a Team is playing total rugby."
spot on hakwa, a complete team can get any set task accomplished, thats why even when the All Blacks lost their top 3 flyhalves during the RC/4nats, tom taylor slotted in got the job done.
taylor had a great game, but when the other 14 players are amongst the best and in the most of the All Blacks players are the best in their position, it makes the job all the more easier.

NZ top 5 flyhalves
1 dan carter
2 aaron cruden
3 beauden barret
4 tom taylor
5 colin slade

OZ top 5 flyhalves
1 quqde cooper
2 matt toomua
3 bernard foley
4 christain leilafano
5 kurtley beale

SA top 5 flyhalves
1 patrick lambie
2 johan goosen
3 martinz boshoff
4 jacques potgier
5 morne steyn

pretty good flyhalf depth for three SANZAR countries, SA and NZ in particular are capable of extending past the 5 for some good options.
ST
Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
18 Mar 2014, 12:42
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18 Mar 2014, 12:42#6
Incorrect, SA Top 5 10s

1.Morné Steyn
2.JLP
3.Boshoff
4.Lambie
5.Jantjies
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
18 Mar 2014, 12:52
#7
18 Mar 2014, 12:52#7
 Incorrect SA's top 10s are:
1. Johan Goosen2. Lambie3. Boshoff4. Peter Grant5. Morne Steyn

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....Elton Jantjies
ST
Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
18 Mar 2014, 12:55
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18 Mar 2014, 12:55#8
 No, incorrect. I have already debunked Goosen, I debunked Lambie, Jantjies requires no effort and I should have in fact added grant in place of him. Goosen is a pathetic 10, really. There is utterly point of reference to back u a belief that any other 10 in SA is better than Morné, or that Lambie and Goosen are anywhere near top. It's just blind faith in the face of overwhelming fact.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Mar 2014, 14:20
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18 Mar 2014, 14:20#9
 Dim SunMorne Steyn is a useless robot at flyhalf - his only positive attribute is kicking at goal.  For the rest he is average to poor in execution.  That has been proven time and again. The latest proof from experts is from Stade Francais who found out they contracted a flop and now plays Steyn from the bench when Plisson is available.  
A player who cannot even make the starting line up of his club - being the best in SA - you must really be joking.  Funny ha-ha - laugh my ass off.    
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Mar 2014, 14:20
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18 Mar 2014, 14:20#10
 Duplication
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Mar 2014, 14:31
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18 Mar 2014, 14:31#11
Yes, it's hilarious! This Dim Sum clown thinking that he's debunked anything with his repetitive and ignorant drivel. What a joke!

Johan Goosen and Pat Lambie both regularly display more talent and flair in one game than Morning Stain ever showed in his entire career!

Then again, always remember that this is the same idiot who thinks that Israel Folau - the guy who's scored 6 tries in 3 games so far this season - is an overrated snail! Pfffffffffffhahahahahaha!

Poor old Dim Sum . . . he has so much egg dribbling down his fat face and he doesn't even realise it!


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Mar 2014, 14:55
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18 Mar 2014, 14:55#12

Its the very reason the Boks keep coming second.....we employ a pivot who is not a gifted rugby player. Would coaches like Jake White or Mallett select Morne at 10 for the Boks.........NO

 

 

Fact is, Meyer is a conservative chappie who struggles to embrace flair......look no further than his initial selection of Willie on the bench on the EOYT and the return of past its like Steenkamp, Bakkies and Fourie to the Bok set up.......next we will see Matfield back in the Bok side and we will continue to question why we keep coming second.

 

 

The difference between us and the Kiwi's is twofold.....they appreciate the art of winning rugby.......which is to attack space and keep ball in hand.......but most importantly they get 99% of their selections right..........we see experienced player replaced by youngsters, we see incumbents that are actually the best in the respective position.......Dagg, Savea, Smith, Conrad Smith, Nonu, Carter, Smith, Woodcock, Franks, Whitelock, Retallick, McCaw, Messam and Read........ its that simple.

 

 

Compare that to the crap Meyer dishes up as our starters......we are way behind and we should not be as we have more talent in SA than the Kiwi's have. Our coach just continues to sell us short.

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Mar 2014, 15:35
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18 Mar 2014, 15:35#13
We have already settled this. The Boks win more than average with Morne at flyhalf. The fantasy boys keep thinking a "me too" strategy that duplicates the ABs will prevail. But we don't have the resources. The Chiefs vs the Cheetahs was a classic case. Two teams playing expansive rugby....one winner.

No team that duplicates the AB strategy will win. We have to play them tight, and the key man to make that happen is the flyhalf. That's Morne or equivalent, not Goosen. Hell in a contest of Goosen vs Barrett, who would you pick?. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Mar 2014, 18:07
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18 Mar 2014, 18:07#14
 Mozart
Stade Francais has worked out Morne early and he is definitely not their first choice flyhalf.   A Club bench player is what - according to you   - is essential for the Springboks.  What a bloody farce!!!!  It would be funny - if it was not so tragi c for SA Rugby.
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