MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Jun 2017, 19:46#1
Given the squad the team could be:
Kriel
Lleyds
Allende
Frans
Skosan
Jantjies
Hougaard
..
Beast
Marx
Malherbe
Etzebeth
Mostert
Vermeulen/JL du Preez
Kolisi
Whiteley
No Lions' core in those 5 players. Players from teams including overseas teams playing vastly different styles. It's hard to see how this team comes together....it feels so Italy.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Jun 2017, 21:48#2
looking bad if that is the team!
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jun 2017, 23:03#3
Fat Fransie - the famous backline destructor - have you learnt nothing from his stats while destroying the Sharks backline in 2014?
There can never be a worse backline selection than Fat Fransie. By far worse than Morne Steyn and he was bad enough.
You must really be kidding to suggest that has been should be included in any team - do you want to see a further lost series = he will guarantee losses against the French - they will simply run at him and his defense will disintegrate as happened in the last game this season in which he played for Montpellier.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Jun 2017, 23:36#4
Well HasBeen I can't see many ways to improve the team from the existing squad......looks like France are missing a few key players as well. One could play Coetzee ahead of Kriel, pull Vorster out of the A team instead of Allende. Wilco ahead of the useless Malherbe, Kleintjie ahead of Kolisi. But it still doesn't fill one with confidence.
sharkbok
Captain23,259 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,259 posts
05 Jun 2017, 00:42#5
Fat Fransie will be starting. Although he could give the backline some more experience and be a good influence on Jantjies.
I would try Mostert at 7, and put Stephanie at 5No recognised fetchers in the squad, other than the Vermuelen.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Jun 2017, 02:27#6
I certainly don't want Stepfontein and Kriel in the centres, they have been regularly upstaged in Super Rugby. I think du Preez is a better bet than Stephanie on the flank, who is just too porous. That makes it a straight choice between him and Mostert at 5....it could go either way....or they could choose the bog ordinary Lomp.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Jun 2017, 08:58#7
You have not answered - what will useless Fat Fransie - regularly exposed as a poor center - and even called no center at all by Plumtree - bring to the Springbok backline? He has been shown up badly in 2014 and even in his last game for Montpellier and has been playing for Montpellier as a protegee of White and the same for the Sharks - but he remains a has-been who have out-eaten his usefulness as a player.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Jun 2017, 08:58#8
You have not answered - what will useless Fat Fransie - regularly exposed as a poor center - and even called no center at all by Plumtree - bring to the Springbok backline? He has been shown up badly in 2014 and even in his last game for Montpellier and has been playing for Montpellier as a protegee of White and the same for the Sharks - but he remains a has-been who have out-eaten his usefulness as a player.
06 Jun 2017, 15:05#10
Whiteley has been given the captaincy so he'll be in at 8 ... unle ss injured.
Shark ... Vermeulen has and never will be a openside flanker. Perhaps you had someone else in mind?
06 Jun 2017, 16:12#12
With De Allende out injured who other than Steyn to come in at 12?
By a long shot not my choice. I'd much rather have Serfontein in there.
Coetzee has an opportunity to play Steyn now and I think he'll take it ... with Kriel on the outside.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jun 2017, 16:14#13
Serfontein is in the squad and one of the few Bulls players playing good rugby......Frans is a has been.......time to move on
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Jun 2017, 19:26#14
Fransie's ship has sailed. Might be a handy bench player to cover 10, 12, 13 and 15, but no starter. Sad to see so many years wasted. He should have been a Bok legend...not to be.
AGAgPleezDeddy
Club Pro900 posts
AGAgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
06 Jun 2017, 19:32#15
20 year old Frans had unbelievable talent, there was nothing he couldn't do, unfortunately he never really became what he should have been
sharkbok
Captain23,259 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,259 posts
06 Jun 2017, 23:17#16
@Cleancut, I meant Duane Vermeulen in that he competes for the ball on the ground better than any of our players including those playing 6. He is a ball carrier and fetcher.
07 Jun 2017, 08:27#17
I understand ... thing is though for a successful fetcher he needs to get to the breakdown point quickly and I don't know if Duane can haul ass as quickly as he used to.
He was awesome at one stage.
